Published: Wednesday, Jan. 8 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
Absolutely. There's a movement afoot to change the two-party system.
Watch the independents. I don't think they're so interested in
forming a third party; they want to break down the current power structure that
only leads to partisanship and poor policy choices. They want to give
independents a voice because true independents are capable of thinking
intelligently through problems, working with people who disagree with them, and
finding win-win solutions that aren't tied up in money and special
People are enamored with their party. They think that the "other"
party has it all wrong, and only "their" party can govern correctly.This logic requires very little information and a very short memory.NewsFlash. Your party has been in control of the President, House and
Senate in the past.How much differently did they govern than the
"other" party?Think about the biggies. War, Immigration,
Abortion, Spending, Deficit. Now make a historical, meaningful distinction
between the two parties.I cannot understand how anyone can support
their party to no end while spewing such hatred for the other. It
Defies logic. It screams Partisanship. It is killing our country.
But this is Utah, and people are raise to not think for themselves.That's why they mus.t...vote...f.or...the....Rrrr....
Americans want elected officals that put them, before political party first.
The recent budget deal was an example of that. John Bohener railed against the
Tea Party and it's leaders and their destructive strategy. Had John
Bohener put Americans before the Tea Party back in October the country would
have not wasted 28 BILLION dollars and the GOP's image would not have
tanked with Americans. Democrats do the same thing and Americans want leaders
not parties running our goverment.
The only party of the two major parties that is in trouble is the one that loses
elections. After 2008, some said the Republicans were over. Then 2010 came and
the Republicans had a victory. Now we have the 2014 and '16 elections
coming up. It could be the Democrats that are over. For a while. Then the
pendulum will swing back, as it always does. As for other parties or 3rd
parties, their only power is in being spoilers in close elections. Few if any
will win elections coming from a third party. I don't see that changing
much. The biggest 3rd we had in recent history was Ross Perot and the Reform
Party. They got almost 20% of the vote and caused Clinton to win over Bush, but
got no closer to winning the election than you or I did, as they got NO
electoral votes. So, I think it will be Republican or Democrat fighting it out
for years to come.
Good Analysis SCFan,However, one huge issue that you overlooked is
demographics. GOP base of old white men are dying off. Democratic base of the
young, and the growing Latino population is a game changer going forward.Add to that the female voter, which the GOP has been alienating lately
with a few outspoken, crazy talking ("a woman's body can reject
pregnancy during a rape") candidates that, unfortunately, become the face of
the party.Personally, I want an intelligent group of moderates on
both sides. And I want two strong parties who come to the table in earnest to
make positive changes.Apparently, that is too much to ask for.
I agree with Mr. Davis. The republican establishment has no clue what their base
wants. Bush drove them away when he started acting like a liberal domestically.
The democrats, on the other hand, cater to their fringe base and
they love it, but against the wishes of the majority of the american people.
After all we have been through the majority have never and still do not want
Obamacare.So, yes, both republicans and democrats are in trouble.
JoeBlowHowever, when one looks at the reason Romney lost, it turned
out to be more about the non committed voters and his base Republicans not
getting out for him. That last, was a real surprise to me. I thought for sure
every person in the country that was not hard core Democrat would want to get
rid of Obama. Turned out that many "conservatives" (shame on them) and
"anti Mormon types" (shame on them) and "could care less people"
(shame on them) did not vote. So even though demographics are changing, it is
still the base that puts someone in the White House. And, women split pretty
well between married and unmarried, being either Republican or Democrat. As for
the Latinos, the Republicans have won without majority vote from them, like
blacks, for decades now. The increase of their votes will only amount to bigger
landslides in states like California, but won't change the electoral
outcome. At least not until next census. But with so many non Latinos fleeing
California (myself included) it will likely balance out. Anyway good talking to
The two parties have already rigged the elections and debates so that no third
party will get a fair shake. It's too easy for the two big boys to just dig
in for full opposition on the other side or give a nod-wink agreement for the
stuff that both parties want ($$$$$). If you think there are very many
differences between the Ds and the Rs in Washington, you are fooling yourself.
We trully need more serious options so that voters will have to research their
candidates and not just look for a D or an R behind the name. The candidates
want to "work" for you. Give them a proper job interview yourself. Ask
them questions via email and other social media. Find out if they really want
to help the country or are just selling themselves out to the highest bidder.
" the reason Romney lost, it turned out to be more about the non committed
voters and his base Republicans not getting out for him."The
country is generally moderate. The base did not turn out because they correctly
perceived Romney as a moderate. Had Romney been able to convince the base he
was a "severe conservative" he would have lost much of the moderate
vote.Concerning Hispanics, one must look at the future population.
The Latino population is exploding, not just growing.Yes, California
is not attainable for the GOP, but the huge Latino population in Texas has a
real possibility of turning that state blue in the future (10-20 years perhaps)
if the GOP continues to alienate that group. And if Texas turns,
it's lights out for the GOP.How about Arizona? Very possibly a
solid blue state in the years ahead.The GOP would be wise to
broaden their tent. For the voters and for the politicians.
I'm hoping that we the 2 political parties go away. My biggest wish is the
total abolition of political parties. When you have that, you will get good
politicans in office and no more stupid party agendas.
Both parties are in trouble because they are the Siamese twins of destruction in
our country. We need a party with courage and conviction which defends our
constitution, not destroy's it!
I think there is a new party starting to form. The Tea Party is NOT a party...it
is just a movement of people who were frustrated with the far left Obama agenda
but I do think the Tea Party has started some new thinking especially since this
Obamacare train wreck and all the Obama lying. All people - young, old , right
and left finally woke up to the fact that the controlling big wigs in White
House and congress are corrupt. The Tea Party is just a voice of the people who
want to be heard and not censored for silenced. They believe in traditional
American values and morals and they want those restored to our government. You
have Orin Hatch suggesting that Mike Lee needs to be "re-educated".
What??? This sort of thing angers everyone when some good ole boy 40 year
senator wants to STOP any creative new thinking in congress.
Joe BlowHowever I think the best way for the GOP to broaden the tent
is to get back the Reagan Democrats. A lot of that crowd is still winable. I
don't think that the Republicans have any chance of getting the minority
vote that needs lots of government support. The only way for Republicans to out
Democrat the Democrats is to become Democrat lite. However, even if they do
that, the Democrats will always spend more than them, thus, the needy minority
vote will always be for the Democrats. Truth is, I suspect that this country is
quickly headed for a two party system that is, Republicans, mostly white people,
Democrats, mostly non-white people. Now, I could be wrong and hope to be if my
favorite Republican runs for President and get the nomination. Namely, Marco
Rubio. I would love to see if he could bring out more Latino vote to the
Republicans, sadly, I don't think he would, because he would not spend like
a Democrat. I love to be wrong though.
Patriot is exactly correct in his/her comments. I am a proud Tea Party believer
and her description is the best definition Imhave heard since I joined the 2009
March on Washington.
@patriot;Frankly, the "Tea Party" terrifies me. If they
were to gain power, I don't think it would be that long before we started
having gulags of our own here in the good Old USA.
It isn't the parties that are in trouble. It is the American people, and
the country, that are in trouble because of terrible, self-centered leaders. We
have no Washingtons, Lincolns or even Reagans any more. We have Clintons, Bushs
and Bidens now.
"However I think the best way for the GOP to broaden the tent is to get back
the Reagan Democrats. "Absolutely. But the far right would
scream loudly - RINO.Reagan did many things that would get him
kicked out of the club today.And that is the problem. Those on the
right demand 100%. Have a gay kid and think they should be allowed to get
married? That will get you banned.Marco Rubio pushed for a path
(albeit long) to citizenship for illegals. That may disqualify him.There is just no room to wiggle in the GOP. I also find it
curious that you dont see that the GOP has been complicit in "spending like
a Democrat". How about Medicare part D? That was a huge entitlement
expansion.And supported by the GOP completely. Think about the
screaming if a Dem had done that.
SCfanclearfield, UTFor once I agree with some of what you
said.It's called natural distribution, Bell curve.I think there are more [much, Much, MORE] Moderate Republicans and
Democrats in the un-committed Center, than there are uber-far reaches of
the nether world ultra-right.The GOP would be wise to be more
Big-Tent, Blue-dog, Reagan-Democrat Moderate, than playing the political
putian purity test of who can be the most uber-far-right-winger.It
didn't work for Mitt Romney, it won't work for anyone else.Giving up 3% of the Tea-Party vote, to win 30% of the Moderates is the
only way to win anything.
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