Published: Tuesday, Jan. 7 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
"The great thing about living in America is that you can live wherever you
want." That is flat out untrue. My late mother contracted severe asthma
while we were living downwind from the 8th South cement plant. My Dad had us
living there because we couldn't afford housing anywhere else reasonably
close to his work. The economically disadvantaged are often subject to
pollution - environmental justice is an important issue.As far as
Dr.Moench being a propagandist let me tell you he is a scientist. I attended
his presentation of the threats Stericycle poses to public health in North Salt
Lake - it was excellently done. I have a background in epidemiology so I know
quality in this area when I see it. The writer should read some of
Dr. Moench is a prince...period. He deals in facts. Utah doesn't have to
settle for mediocrity (or toxicity), but somehow Utah always settles. Who in
the world would argue that there is no solution? Maybe Tesoro has a
letter-writing bonus for their employees???
Serious question, why do so many Utahns cater to dirty industry? What would be
wrong with moving the refinery elsewhere? What is bad about having cleaner air
and water?I truly don't get it.
If you don't like living in a place with polluted air you should leave? This is the best argument you can come up with?The air was
so bad last week in Salt Lake City that our CAT has developed asthma!Salt Lake air quality is rapidly becoming an economic development issue.
It's hard to recruit high tech industries and professionals to a city that
has barely breathable air for parts of the winter months.
Ah yes, denialism[we don't have an air quality problem].coupled
with the Utah motto: "If you don't like it, leave!"BTW -- I this letter writer is willing to live by his own words, because that same motto applies to Gay marriage in Utah."If
you don't like it, leave!"
Ah, the "if you don't like it here, leave" rationale. Gotta love
Great air in Mesquite Nevada.
People frequently throw this "anti-business" criticism around. It defies
logic. Dr. Moench doesn't have an alternative business he is trying to push
in lieu of Stericycle or the refineries; he doesn't stand to profit.
Believe me when I say that as a parent, I want good employment opportunities for
my kids! I don't need them sleeping in my basement for the next 35 years!
But industry needs to follow the rules (recent fines indicate they often
don't); there needs to be rule enforcement (Stericycle is a prime example
that there is not); and the cleanest technologically available technology should
be used (to protect public health). This isn't anti-business, its
responsible business. Furthermore, let us point out that those refineries are
old, and were put in NSL back in the day when NSL was really far away. Even then
they knew refineries didn't belong in neighborhoods. Our city is changing.
It is a dynamic economy and moving those refineries to a different location
would be a smart move.
*'EPA inventory shows Utah's sources of greenhouse gas' - By Amy
Joi O'Donoghue - 02/05/13 - Published by the Deseret News
'WASHINGTON — The nation's power plants continue to be the
single largest stationary source of greenhouse gas emissions, according to new
information released Tuesday by the Environmental Protection Agency.' (sic) In Utah, 14 power plants are responsible for 75 percent of the
state's direct greenhouse gas emissions, releasing 33 million metric tons.
' Yes, the Deseret news is part of… social
media. What a joke. Now, anyone else getting sick of
this? *'Northern Utah's air is the worst in the
nation' - KSL - 01/11/10 *'Utah's air quality
Thursday among worst in the nation' – By Shara Park & Mary
Richards – KSL Utah – 01/02/14 'SALT LAKE CITY
— Parts of Utah currently have some of the worst air quality in the
country…' I guess if you don't like facts… just make up opinion! Many talk of the
'hospitality' of Utah, and then we are constantly presented with
examples like this…'If you don't like it,
leave!' 'why do so many Utahns cater to dirty
industry?' Cater to industry, at the EXPENSE of Utah's
"If you don't like it leave" that made me chuckle too.
Typical conservative. "If you don't like it, leave. If you don't
want to breathe, don't. Don't get sick. And if you do, die
I thought the "if you don't like it, leave" defense was the
exclusive domain of religious conservatism.
Another great thing about America is that we are supposed to have protections
for public health. And, polluting businesses “can live in other
places” that are not threatened by “weather-related
For a moment, let's just set aside the whole air pollution thing (which, by
the way, may not be as bad as it used to be, but is literally killing people),
and focus on your assertion that in America people can live wherever they
want.Roughly 12% of Utah's population live below the poverty
line. Have you tried to move somewhere else when you don't have money to
fill up a car with gas, or buy a car for that matter? Moreover, people
struggling to pay rent or a mortgage can hardly move anywhere. How many people
can afford to move above the thick haze of Utah's skies, or outside of
areas of inversion. People do not have this freedom. It is also worth mentioning
that it is often the people with the least amount of money who are the most
impacted by the bad air. The decisions we make regarding our air affects others.
Let's own it and do something about it.
The other great thing about America is that the voice of the people counts! and
the only reason our air quality has gotten better over the past twenty years is
because of people like Dr. Moench speaking out!
Re "environmental justice is an important issue" (Marxist). Can you define "Environmental Justice" for us?---Re "why do so many Utahns cater to dirty industry"... (Maverick)Maybe because they drive cars, and they need gas to drive their cars?Re "What would be wrong with moving the refinery elsewhere"? Do you know what it would cost to move the refineries elsewhere? Or
how much gas would cost if we had no refineries in the Great Basin?The locations refineries currently occupy were approved long ago. We
can't just tell them "get out" (when they have the legal right to
be where they are). Maybe it's us that needs to move. I mean it's
US... burning the gas they produce that contributes most to SLC's air
pollution on bad inversion days. At least that's what the EPA says.Re: "What is bad about having cleaner air and water"?I don't think anybody WANTS dirtier air and water. Pretending they do...
just shows how around-the-bend you have gone with your rhetoric.---Re: "last week our CAT has developed asthma"! (Lib
Larry)Really? That's the best you got?
'Really? That's the best you got?' Actually, no. *Studies link air pollution to increased risk of strokes and
dementia’ – by Amy Joi O’Donoghue – Deseret news –
02/15/12 We should support pollution because we drive cars? Do you breathe air? * 'Red air quality alert issued, limit
driving' - DSNews - 08/25/10 Line: 'A strong high
pressure area has resulted in a buildup of pollutants, forecasters said, making
it especially bad for those with health concerns and breathing
problems.' Do you live in a house? *'New study
compares indoor/outdoor pollution levels in Utah' – Salt Lake City
– Fox 13 – 12/29/13 'A Utah State University
research professor has spent nearly a decade measuring how much air pollution
can seep into homes on red air days.' If the only thing you
focus on is a cat… instead of 33 million metric tons of
pollution in the air, well, I have no words for that. How can we
have 'jobs'…? If we are dead?
*'Study says coal burning in Utah kills 202 a year' - AP - Published
by DSNews - 10/19/10
Dirty air...love it or leave it...The new conservative bumper
VSTBountiful, UTBut yet, a leader from the office of Utah’s
air quality really did say that our air today along the Wasatch front is cleaner
that it was 20 years ago. I heard him actually say that on a TV newscast.So which is it?11:27 a.m. Jan. 7, 2014=========
Ya, Only 211 people died this year from Utah's bad air
quailty instead of over 400.Are you still willing to dance in the
streets over those deaths?
I have a policy of not listening to anybody who claims one side just wants clean
air, puppy dogs, and world peace. And the other side WANTS dirty air, hates
dogs, and only wants war. These people are drunk on their political dogma and
are no longer making any sense.Nobody WANTS dirty air. Nobody
thinks, "the dirtier the air the better". When some people PRETEND that
some people actually think this it's amazing but just shows how out of
touch with reality they are.Some people can just deal with reality
and the world as it actually is... and realize that we actually NEED refineries.
That doesn't mean they want the dirtiest air possible. That's a
leap of logic that some make that makes no sense to me. I guess it makes sense
in the rhetoric obsessed mind.
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