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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 7 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Salt Lake City, UT

"The great thing about living in America is that you can live wherever you want." That is flat out untrue. My late mother contracted severe asthma while we were living downwind from the 8th South cement plant. My Dad had us living there because we couldn't afford housing anywhere else reasonably close to his work. The economically disadvantaged are often subject to pollution - environmental justice is an important issue.

As far as Dr.Moench being a propagandist let me tell you he is a scientist. I attended his presentation of the threats Stericycle poses to public health in North Salt Lake - it was excellently done. I have a background in epidemiology so I know quality in this area when I see it.

The writer should read some of Moench's material.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

Dr. Moench is a prince...period. He deals in facts. Utah doesn't have to settle for mediocrity (or toxicity), but somehow Utah always settles. Who in the world would argue that there is no solution? Maybe Tesoro has a letter-writing bonus for their employees???

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Serious question, why do so many Utahns cater to dirty industry? What would be wrong with moving the refinery elsewhere? What is bad about having cleaner air and water?

I truly don't get it.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

If you don't like living in a place with polluted air you should leave?

This is the best argument you can come up with?

The air was so bad last week in Salt Lake City that our CAT has developed asthma!

Salt Lake air quality is rapidly becoming an economic development issue. It's hard to recruit high tech industries and professionals to a city that has barely breathable air for parts of the winter months.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Ah yes, denialism
[we don't have an air quality problem].
coupled with the Utah motto:

"If you don't like it, leave!"

BTW -- I this letter writer is willing to live by his own words,
because that same motto applies to Gay marriage in Utah.

"If you don't like it, leave!"

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Ah, the "if you don't like it here, leave" rationale. Gotta love it.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Great air in Mesquite Nevada.

salt lake city, UT

People frequently throw this "anti-business" criticism around. It defies logic. Dr. Moench doesn't have an alternative business he is trying to push in lieu of Stericycle or the refineries; he doesn't stand to profit. Believe me when I say that as a parent, I want good employment opportunities for my kids! I don't need them sleeping in my basement for the next 35 years! But industry needs to follow the rules (recent fines indicate they often don't); there needs to be rule enforcement (Stericycle is a prime example that there is not); and the cleanest technologically available technology should be used (to protect public health). This isn't anti-business, its responsible business. Furthermore, let us point out that those refineries are old, and were put in NSL back in the day when NSL was really far away. Even then they knew refineries didn't belong in neighborhoods. Our city is changing. It is a dynamic economy and moving those refineries to a different location would be a smart move.

Salt Lake City, UT

*'EPA inventory shows Utah's sources of greenhouse gas' - By Amy Joi O'Donoghue - 02/05/13 - Published by the Deseret News

'WASHINGTON — The nation's power plants continue to be the single largest stationary source of greenhouse gas emissions, according to new information released Tuesday by the Environmental Protection Agency.'
In Utah, 14 power plants are responsible for 75 percent of the state's direct greenhouse gas emissions, releasing 33 million metric tons. '

Yes, the Deseret news is part of…

social media.

What a joke.

Now, anyone else getting sick of this?

*'Northern Utah's air is the worst in the nation' - KSL - 01/11/10

*'Utah's air quality Thursday among worst in the nation' – By Shara Park & Mary Richards – KSL Utah – 01/02/14

'SALT LAKE CITY — Parts of Utah currently have some of the worst air quality in the country…'

I guess if you don't like facts…

just make up opinion!

Many talk of the 'hospitality' of Utah, and then we are constantly presented with examples like this…

'If you don't like it, leave!'

'why do so many Utahns cater to dirty industry?'

Cater to industry, at the EXPENSE of Utah's citizens.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

"If you don't like it leave" that made me chuckle too.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Typical conservative. "If you don't like it, leave. If you don't want to breathe, don't. Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly."

American Fork, UT

I thought the "if you don't like it, leave" defense was the exclusive domain of religious conservatism.

Wasatch Front
Salt Lake , UT

Another great thing about America is that we are supposed to have protections for public health. And, polluting businesses “can live in other places” that are not threatened by “weather-related inversions.”

Dave D
Spring Creek, NV

For a moment, let's just set aside the whole air pollution thing (which, by the way, may not be as bad as it used to be, but is literally killing people), and focus on your assertion that in America people can live wherever they want.

Roughly 12% of Utah's population live below the poverty line. Have you tried to move somewhere else when you don't have money to fill up a car with gas, or buy a car for that matter? Moreover, people struggling to pay rent or a mortgage can hardly move anywhere. How many people can afford to move above the thick haze of Utah's skies, or outside of areas of inversion. People do not have this freedom. It is also worth mentioning that it is often the people with the least amount of money who are the most impacted by the bad air. The decisions we make regarding our air affects others. Let's own it and do something about it.

salt lake city, UT

The other great thing about America is that the voice of the people counts! and the only reason our air quality has gotten better over the past twenty years is because of people like Dr. Moench speaking out!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re "environmental justice is an important issue" (Marxist).

Can you define "Environmental Justice" for us?


Re "why do so many Utahns cater to dirty industry"... (Maverick)

Maybe because they drive cars, and they need gas to drive their cars?

Re "What would be wrong with moving the refinery elsewhere"?

Do you know what it would cost to move the refineries elsewhere? Or how much gas would cost if we had no refineries in the Great Basin?

The locations refineries currently occupy were approved long ago. We can't just tell them "get out" (when they have the legal right to be where they are). Maybe it's us that needs to move. I mean it's US... burning the gas they produce that contributes most to SLC's air pollution on bad inversion days. At least that's what the EPA says.

Re: "What is bad about having cleaner air and water"?

I don't think anybody WANTS dirtier air and water. Pretending they do... just shows how around-the-bend you have gone with your rhetoric.


Re: "last week our CAT has developed asthma"! (Lib Larry)

Really? That's the best you got?

Salt Lake City, UT

'Really? That's the best you got?'

Actually, no.

*Studies link air pollution to increased risk of strokes and dementia’ – by Amy Joi O’Donoghue – Deseret news – 02/15/12

We should support pollution because we drive cars?

Do you breathe air?

* 'Red air quality alert issued, limit driving' - DSNews - 08/25/10

'A strong high pressure area has resulted in a buildup of pollutants, forecasters said, making it especially bad for those with health concerns and breathing problems.'

Do you live in a house?

*'New study compares indoor/outdoor pollution levels in Utah' – Salt Lake City – Fox 13 – 12/29/13

'A Utah State University research professor has spent nearly a decade measuring how much air pollution can seep into homes on red air days.'

If the only thing you focus on is a cat…

instead of 33 million metric tons of pollution in the air, well, I have no words for that.

How can we have 'jobs'…?

If we are dead?

*'Study says coal burning in Utah kills 202 a year' - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/19/10

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Dirty air...love it or leave it...

The new conservative bumper snicker?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Bountiful, UT
But yet, a leader from the office of Utah’s air quality really did say that our air today along the Wasatch front is cleaner that it was 20 years ago. I heard him actually say that on a TV newscast.

So which is it?

11:27 a.m. Jan. 7, 2014


Only 211 people died this year from Utah's bad air quailty instead of over 400.

Are you still willing to dance in the streets over those deaths?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I have a policy of not listening to anybody who claims one side just wants clean air, puppy dogs, and world peace. And the other side WANTS dirty air, hates dogs, and only wants war. These people are drunk on their political dogma and are no longer making any sense.

Nobody WANTS dirty air. Nobody thinks, "the dirtier the air the better". When some people PRETEND that some people actually think this it's amazing but just shows how out of touch with reality they are.

Some people can just deal with reality and the world as it actually is... and realize that we actually NEED refineries. That doesn't mean they want the dirtiest air possible. That's a leap of logic that some make that makes no sense to me. I guess it makes sense in the rhetoric obsessed mind.

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