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Published: Monday, Jan. 6 2014 8:40 p.m. MST

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Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

“The other side says we have to do that to avoid a backlash, but all it takes is a bill to remove the exemption,”

Such a bill would be unconstitutonal. Now that's not to say there won't be people who want a church to change, but any push would be through public pressure (and mostly internal, consider the United Methodist Church who is facing some dissent in their own clergy) but the law cannot legally force a church to marry a couple they don't want to marry. That's why we have laws protecting from religious discrimination but say... the LDS church can choose to not marry people of other faiths in their temples.

Vanceone
Provo, UT

Just remember-- In New Jersey, the Democratic majority pulled a bill legalizing gay marriage. Why? Because the bill gave religious institutions an exemption from being forced to perform gay ceremonies.

The gay lobby objected vociferously. They do not want churches to be exempt. So the Democrats pulled the bill.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Proposition 3 was declared unconstitutional by a Federal Judge. The State of Utah appealed the decision and got a stay by the SCOTUS.

The SCOTUS has to review the 50 pages of Shelby's ruling. Study Utah's appeal and make a decision.

Please let's stop the speculation, name calling and emotional discourse, let's history take its course.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

Nice! Order restored.

JosephSmith4ever
Spanisfork, UT

"Where the courts have mandated gay marriage, Wilson said, no such religious liberty accommodations are offered."

That is a totally bogus statement. Mandating gay marriage doesn't mandate religious institutions to perform gay marriage. You notice how it was the county clerk offices that were being told to offer marriage licenses in Utah and not religious authorities being told they had to perform the ceremony. It seems that that religious zealots lack the mental capacity to draw a distinction between a state issued marriage license and the marriage ceremony of the couples choosing (religious, at the court house, or other type). No such religious liberty accommodations are offered because all necessary accommodations are already there.

Tiago
Seattle, WA

To my LDS friends who oppose same sex marriage: We have a bit of a reprieve now, so let's chat. I am a 100% Mormon--RM, BYU grad, YM presidency, go to the temple, etc. The family is the most important unit in society. A natural mother and father is ideal. Promiscuity and debauchery are not the way to happiness, Christ is the Way. I'm with you 100%. We know this and love it. Awesome!
I'm also gay, or deal with SSA, or however you want to say it. 100%. I can't change. I've prayed and done therapy. I have no romantic interest in women. At all. Anatomically I could have kids, but I would not love a woman--so I am single 'til death.
Feeling same sex attraction, at least for some people, is innate and unchangeable. To have a conversation about this, it is important to show empathy for this reality and think about what that means. If you have never really talked with someone who is a gay then there's a chance you have some false assumptions about what it means and what motivates people. Please meet a gay person and try to understand.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

' It seems that that religious zealots lack the mental capacity to draw a distinction between a state issued marriage license and the marriage ceremony of the couples choosing (religious, at the court house, or other type).'

I think this was perfectly stated to get to the crux of the issues.

You can marry in a church as much as you like.

You get zero legal recognitions until the marriage is recognized by the state.

So all religious arguments are now moot.

Whatever region you subscribe too….

the state is the one that has given marriages legal recognition for the last 153 years.

It's about time some recognized that instead of fabricating some recognition in their own religion…

upon person who do not subscribe, to that religion.

That, is tyranny.

BlackDiamond
Provo, UT

Stop Gay Marriage! Just Stop it!

Cougar11
Highland, UT

Tiago,

I am sorry for the struggles of your life. I know only a few gay people including a brother-in-law who we love very much. He is in a monogomous relationship for several years and I hold no ill will to the gay community. However, I cannot accept gay marriage because I believe in God and I believe in his gospel. He has said without hesitation that marriage is an institution between one man and one woman. The church cannot change and I cannot change because God has made it clear and has commanded it so. I believe in fairness and thus believe that the state should allow the rights that a two way relationship should demand regardless of gender. However, marriage is a three-way commitment between one man, one woman and God. He does not recognize it; he has said clearly it is a sin and therefore can not stand as a marriage. Just as if two heterosexuals are living together outside of marriage, he does not recognize that and calls that a sin as well. I am sorry for your struggles and wish you well in life.

Sal
Provo, UT

@JosephSmith4ever: not a chance that the next step will not be a push for gays to be married by religious clergy. They are already trying to force, through legislation, religious photographers to do gay weddings. Catholic adoption centers have been forced to close over this issue.

The religious history of this earth shows that people of faith will be persecuted again and they are and it will increase. Darkness has to put out the light that reveals the sin. It won't rest until it is extinguished. Then the catastrophes befall the nation.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

‘Supreme Court stay on marriage shows desire for slower process' - Title

I disagree.

*'Gallup Poll: Majority of Americans support gay marriage' - By Elizabeth Stuart - DSNews - 05/20/2011

'For the first time since Gallup started studying the issue in 1996, the polling organization found a majority of Americans favor legalizing same-sex marriage.'

*'Poll: More Americans favor same-sex marriage' - CNN - 04/19/11

*'Poll: MAJORITY backs same-sex marriage' – By Paul Steinhauser and Bill Mears – CNN – 06-26-13

'According to the CNN/ORC International survey, a majority–55%–of Americans back same-sex marriage, up 11 percentage points from 2008.

*Same-sex marriage legalization seen as INEVITABLE to most Americans' – By Anjani Trivedi – TIME Magazine – 06-07-13

*'Poll: Support for gay marriage UP among Catholics' – By Jillian Rayfield – Salon – 03/08/13

*'A Majority of Young Republicans Support Gay Marriage' - —By Tim Murphy – Mother Jones – 03/08/2013

I could see how some want to 'slower process'…

when all they are doing is holding America, back.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:Cougar11
"However, I cannot accept gay marriage because I believe in God and I believe in his gospel. He has said without hesitation that marriage is an institution between one man and one woman. "

(Except when He said marrriage is between a man and a woman and another woman and another woman and a man and.....)

Marriage is a secular institution as well--not just a religious institution. You live in a pluralistic society--not just an LDS one. Nobody is requiring the LDS church to sanction or perform same-sex marriages.

Ultimately, what you do is between you and God. If you believe same-sex marriage is a sin-- don't get one. Will He hold you responsible for your brother-in-law's "sins?"

Re:Sal
Catholic Adoptive services in MA placed 2 children with same-sex couples. It became an issue when it was reported in the Boston Globe and Catholic leaders were made aware.

Public businesses are required to conform to anti-discrimination laws. Religious institutions are not. Many religious organizations still discriminate against women. The LDS church restricted the priesthood based on race for many years after the Civil Rights Act.

desert
Potsdam, 00

This keeps going between lower and higher courts, it will never end !
The fundamental rights are not defined, who might have a "gender", who does marry any of another "gender", if people manage to twist such fundamental dimensions what is left to define ? They might define what Gay Marriage would be, but what comes next ?

There is no hope in this struggle, until people stop making such things popular all the time, as reflected in polls, that do show a merciful attitude, but no thoughtful balance for future generations.

What should change is, people must change.
They go by the rush of time, to let everybody do whatever fits them, in order to gain peace and to be left alone. That is what this government is all about lately, people stay out of it, so the rule of thumb is more involvement of government, less involvement of people.

This LGBT movement is showing forth weakness of its own people to rule country.
The Constitution was intented to tell us just that. We forgot ?

Liberty For All
Cedar, UT

Tiago, Many wanted to come to earth in the pre-existence, but were not as worthy or valiant as others. The lord wanted to provide the opportunity for eternal happiness and celestial glory if they could prove themselves worthy of such blessings. Such is your task on earth you were given the "blessing" of same-sex attraction to overcome in your short mortal time on this earth. Live your life in righteous and show the lord you are indeed worthy of celestial glory and eternal blessing.

informed?
Hooper, UT

I think there is a huge misunderstanding, as most people who do not support gay marriage do not wish any ill will towards those who do support it. Please don't be confused. In fact, we need to assure that those who live a lifestyle that is outside of One man and One woman, are treated kind and respectful. We should even find ways that they can financially be treated equal.
However, that is not marriage.
Marriage is for one man and one woman. Whether you believe in God, or in Evolution, or both it is the same. Man and woman can procreate. No other combination works in human beings. Two men or two women cannot procreate. Their genes will die off if they are true to their way of life. According to experts, a traditional family is more likely to provide a healthy and happy life for those involved compared to those who are missing a mother and or father. The evidence for Gods Plan of happiness in families is everywhere for those who choose to look and see.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Remember when the Democratic party used to be for the poor? The poor don't get talked about much now.

InLifeHappiness
Salt Lake City, UT

I really appreciated the previous comments. Salt Lake City, Utah is home to more same-sex couples with children (approx 26%), thus leading the nation's metropolitan cities (see UCLA School of Law recent statistical report). Has Utah's pushing this issue to the higher court led to a possible federal law to approve same-sex marriages? Could polygamy and polyandry be included as well? Would this protect all married spouses to a greater degree? Just a few thoughts ... looking for guidance as to these questions. Thank you!

Saguaro
Scottsdale, AZ

Since no one is talking about how the Full Faith and Credit Clause would provide a way for the Supreme Court to legalize same-sex marriages for many, if not all couples -- it's probably a safe bet that's how it is going to be done.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The institution of marriage has hooks into every part of society; that's what making a decision on SSM so difficult. We try to anticipate what SSM will do to the fabric of society today and in the future. Here is an angle not discussed. It can be argued that the role of males is the most fragile in our system or any system. Socialization of males is critical and difficult - women as bearers of children have a much more secure footing. What will happen to boys being raised by two women? We know that one of the problems faced by black America is the lack of male presence in most black families - with disastrous consequences for boys raised under that circumstance. Those boys are in turn not ready to form households, being not well socialized into the process. In my view there is a real threat to boys and young men (and the families they might have formed) coming from SSM.

We socialists try to say that we are biological beings, and for that reason we can't mix and match at will in defining families. SSM is a bad deal for boys and young men.

LiberalJimmy
Salt Lake City, UT

To the dismay of Chris B. Black Diamond and my personal favorite Joseph Smith4ever...The ruling will stand. More whining will ensue and reality may set in. SCOTUS simply desires an opportunity to etch their mark in history and finalize equal rights for all.

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