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Published: Sunday, Jan. 5 2014 6:50 p.m. MST

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killarney
Lincoln Park, IL

"Bowl season has proved that SEC, Pac-12 were country's best conferences this year"

LOL!

The SEC will finish the BCS era with at least NINE BCS National Championships!

The PAC will finish the BCS era without a single BCS National Championship -- the ONLY AQ conference never to have won a Crystal Football National Championship trophy during the entire BCS era.

BCS National Championships

SEC - NINE (or ten)
Big 12 - two
ACC - one (or two)
Big East - one
Big Ten - one
PAC 12 - NONE

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter is back, wow, we're special. I was worried about you, Duck, you completely disappeared after Coach K taught Rose how college basketball is played. LOL!

Yep, the Pac-12 is, by far, the elite among the elite.

Go Utes!!

Cool Cat Cosmo
Payson, UT

Perhaps this article should have waited for the just concluded National Championship game, where a SEC team lost (gasp!). Thank GOODNESS that I don't have to hear about how great the SEC is...at least for a couple of months, anyhow. Congrats 'Noles on a hard-fought win!

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Steven Jarvis..."If Chris B. has his way and the "big boys" don't schedule teams outside of the top tier conferences Utah likely will never make a bowl again. Utah can't get six wins without playing "lesser teams." Nothing restrains Utah or any team from doing this except for common sense."

LOL, what point are you trying to make? The Y would have 1-2 wins max with Utah's schedule. Bronco and the cougies are the prime example of a coach and team that can't beat anybody besides whats expected. They only reason most cougie fans, coaches and administration is happy with independence is so the cougies can go to the kraft fight hunger each year or something along these lines. If the cougies were in any of the larger conferences they would be stuck with 1-2 win seasons every year.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

So Duckhunter,

Yes, the team you like went to a bowl game, but in doing so they got beat by another team from that Pac 12 Conference you just love to put down. Ouch!

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

What was that again about the SEC being the most dominant best awesomest greatest conference? Then why didn't Auburn win last night? ACC >SEC
NOLES !

my3cents
Nashville, TN

Interesting that the conference champions of "the two best conferences" both lost their bowl games.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

jarka-rus
Yeah, the SEC team lost last night but I don't understand why you are gloating. Is this like your comments about the Utes where you dream up a game that doesn't exist to claim the Utes would lose? I'm sorry, bro, I just don't get it.

SaltLakeCitySlicker
SLC, UT

I think it is silly that everyone on this board tries to act as if the head-to-head record is the only thing that matters. Obviously it is a significant part of the formula, but let's not end the conversation with the Utes being the top team solely because of head-to-head records.

Now, I am not saying that USU or BYU was better than the Utes this season, but it is closer than many make it out to be. The fact of the matter is that it is nearly impossible to determine who was the best team when they all played each other so early and then so many different things happened to each team. All 3 teams were quite competitive this year and the overall state of the football programs in Utah is improving.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"but let's not end the conversation with the Utes being the top team solely because of head-to-head records...they all played each other so early"
How about we end the conversation with the end-of-year Sagarin Ratings?
34. Utah
35. BYU
41. USU

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

2B

The point is, Utah for all their talk, haven't be able to walk the walk, since joining the PAC.

Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC teams.

Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC teams.

The record speaks for itself.

BYU would be far more competitive in the PAC than the Utes have been.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@mormon ute

I haven't spent much time "putting down" the pac12, it is a good conference. I have spent a great deal of time mocking utah "fans" that seem to think simply being in the pac12 makes utah good. But my point about the pac12 is valid, they did not have a single top quality OOC win this year. A couple of pac12 teams beat some good teams but none of them beat any top teams unless you want to call what the pac12 refs did to give asu a win over wisconsin a win over a "top" team.

The pac12 didn't do anything OOC against the other top 5 conferences to show they were superior to most of them. If I am missing something here by all means show me those game results and I'll be more than happy to agree with you.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

anti BCS--

"The point is, Utah for all their talk, haven't be able to walk the walk, since joining the PAC.

Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC teams.

Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC teams.

The record speaks for itself.

BYU would be far more competitive in the PAC than the Utes have been."

First of all, when did bm ever play PAC-10/-12 in a back-2-back, wk-in/wk-out grind of a schedule? There's a distinct reason our final SOS ranking is #3 and byu's is #38 and why at 5-7 we finished ranked higher by Sagarin than byu did at 8-5. This is something byu fan just simply can't get around.

Even playing against 7 different PAC-12 teams randomly, spanning 3 years, bm's merely 2-5, getting smashed by the 3 teams over .500, twice at home, and only beating 2 teams at the bottom of the standings. Finally, he's 0-3 against Coach KW during this same 3-YR period-of-time.

Imagine playing Oregon State/The U/UCLA/Stanford/at Arizona/at USC/ASU/at Oregon/at WAZZU all back-2-back = byu's winless!

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Welcome back from Tulsa. It is fun discussing conference issues isn't it? I guess that you miss that when you have no conference to play in.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

SoonerUte

"How about we end the conversation with the end-of-year Sagarin Ratings?
34. Utah
35. BYU
41. USU"

LOL!

After all of the chest-beating by Utah fans about Utah's vast "PAC 12 superiority", the Utes only managed to finish ONE place ahead of BYU and only seven places ahead of USU in Sagarin's final rankings.

Other polls were far less impressed with the Utes:

CBS Sports
#34 USU
#51 BYU
#71 Utah

Massey
#36 BYU
#37 Utah
#43 USU

Real Time RPI
#47 BYU
#50 USU
#70 Utah

Composite of 65 Polls
#34 BYU
#42 USU
#52 Utah

Bottom line:
Both BYU and USU had winning records and played in a bowl;
Utah once again finished with a losing record and was left on the outside looking in at the bowls.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

AZUTE1

LOL at how you slice and dice records.

Despite your spin, Bronco has won 50% of his games versus PAC 12 teams, including wins over Oregon and Washington, teams Kyle, at only 38%, has never beaten.

Unlike Kyle, with a PAC 12 South title there for the taking, Bronco WOULD NOT have lost at home to a 10-loss team that hadn't won a road game in 4 years.

One thing Bronco was consistently good at in conference play was NEVER losing to conference bottom dwellers like New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.

Kyle lost to every one of those teams including a horrible 2-10 UNLV team that only beat one other team all season, 2-10 Utah State.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@54iq

Can't give me a single pac12 win over a "top" team huh? That's because there isn't one. lol

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Shouldn't Ute fans focus on being the best in the PAC 12, rather than the best in Utah?

Sure, the Utes beat USU the first week of the season, and BYU later in September. But they ended up with a losing season and out of the bowls. If success in Utah is all you are after, then congratulations are in order for last year.

For me, I am thrilled that USU had a third successful season! Winning their division and beating a ranked opponent in a bowl is a great season any anyone's book!!!!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@PAC MAN

So now that the Utes are ranked ahead of BYU in the Sagarin Rankings, you quickly dismiss these rankings and look elsewhere. All that i have heard for the last two years is how BYU is better because of the Sagarin rankings. Now that they don't fit your agenda; you quickly look else where. Just admit it, Utah won on the field, played a tougher schedule and were ranked higher in the always referenced Sagarin Rankings. I know the truth hurts. Especially when your rival had a horrible year, yet they are still a better team.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Spokane Ute

"So now that the Utes are ranked ahead of BYU in the Sagarin Rankings, you quickly dismiss these rankings and look elsewhere."

The Utes being ranked ONE spot higher than BYU in the Sagarin Rankings is hardly a ringing endorsement for a big boy conference school over a lowly independent.

The consensus of other legitimate polls shows that the vast majority of pollsters still rank BYU higher than Utah.

Even Sagarin's Predictor ranking favors BYU beating Utah on a neutral field:

#30 BYU
#32 Utah

And Sagarin's Pure_ELO ranking, which is the ranking used by the BCS, ranks Utah even lower:

#39 BYU
#65 Utah

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