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Published: Sunday, Jan. 5 2014 3:25 p.m. MST

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New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

We the people have the ability to challenge rulings made by unelected Judges who for political gain rule against the will of the people. The process of appealing can be time consuming and costly but it is necessary and needed. It is time for those elected leaders to step up to the plate and support voters who put them in office in challenging Shelby's outrageous ruling.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

So all you "federal" government has all the power and must be obeyed no matter what people: So, if "your" Constitutional government understanding allows laws evil or judges that think differently about God-given rights to throw that out the door, then you are O.K. with that? That is why "The will of the people" is paramount in the Constitution. Read it! Words have meaning, or at least they do for those who have read them. This is not about "gay marriage". It is about judges who subverted the will of the people. I will admit that if people choose evil then that will has consequences-both good and bad, but that is what our Constitution allows. The will of the people is paramount! Othewise, you have tyranny. If states lose on this issue, the people's will has been subverted and tyranny exists. This is just one of many issues where tyranny has been happening. Read the Constitution and get off your high horse.

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

Holy cow! I'm nearly speechless - an instinct that will probably save me from getting pistol whipped.

PhotoSponge
nampa, ID

The Constitution of the United States of America, was written and based on Christian principles and teachings, for a MORAL society. We have a republic based on this document that was intended to last for all generations to come after it. The more immoral the society becomes, the further it is pulled away from this divinely inspired document. Benjamin Franklin--at the end of the Constitutional Convention in 1787--when asked what this nation had, he replied, "A Republic...If you can keep it!"

You are free to choose what course your life will take and the things you do during your lifetime. But you are not free to choose the consequences that come with those actions and decisions.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Furry: You don't understand the Constitution. The will of the people aren't ever subverted in our constitution. Never! Never! Never! If the Will of the people choose evil (in your opinion the will of the people of Utah choose evil), then so be it! The will of the people is never subverted in the Constitution. If it is, Tyranny is what you have! It is simple! You can cry all you want about specifics, but I have to live by the laws that are tyrannical and evil (Abortion comes to mind), but I also have the right to educate and stand up for my rights as a United States citizen! The will of the people is never subverted in a free people!

jimhale
Eugene, OR

It's easy to see why the good sheriff is upset. But the Civil War was indeed legally not about slavery but about whether the states have the power to nullify federal law....including Supreme Court rulings.

Neither Utah nor Arizona are about to do so....any more than South Carolina of old.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

"He has no legal authority to overturn our state constitution."

He overturned one amendment. And yes, yes he does have that authority. The 10th Amendment is not absolute. A little further down is the 14th Amendment. Right there in Section 1.
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

How is it that some people think their rights are being compromised by granting others equal rights. If one doesn't believe in same sex marriage, or are offended by it, then just don't do it; stay away from it and go about your own business and leave others to theirs. The same as with gambling, smoking, drinking and so many other things that are legal but that some protest.

kolob1
sandy, UT

Religion doesn't belong in this argument. Any religion that needs man made laws to exist does not have "Faith" as their basis.The Constitution allows ALL citizens to practice their religion and allows all citizens NOT to practice their religion. The Constitution does not guarantee religions a 100 % free pass along with a free ride.The political fanatics that invoke God as their basis are doing more harm to the religious basis than the Constitution allows. Marriage is not about God. Marriage existed long before the Bible or the Book of Mormons. Religions have poked their nose under the marriage tent.I feel sorry for America because it will be this "religious liberty" argument which will rot us beyond repair. Let God come to all by your example not by your force (laws). When the Catholics were the only Church they tried force and they were sundered by human nature. Don't ever forget it!!

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"The government is us; we are the government, you and I." - Theodore Roosevelt

But Mack wants to “keep the federal government impotent. . .” That sounds like a bad idea to me.

Wolverton wants to secede from the Union, and he calls the rest of us traitors because we want to keep the union together. What sense does that make? The Civil War provided some pretty authoritative proof that states can’t just secede from the union.

Apparently some people are very slow learners. It’s hard to believe that anyone could take these people seriously.

EJM
Herriman, UT

Here's the problem with those on here who keep posting about "the will of the people": we keep electing the same people every 2-4-6 years in this country, at pretty much every level of government. They keep promising the same things every election cycle. And, they aren't the problem. It's all those OTHER guys who just won't do the right thing, on both sides of the aisle. So until "we the people" begin to go back to the voting booth nothing will change.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Gay marriage precedes other unimaginable actions.

Fall of the Roman Empire gives one of many examples.

jeclar2006
Oceanside, CA

It is interesting to watch how words are used to create conflict. The judge's ruling did not 'destroy' or 'nullify' marriage. Marriage exists and any couple not otherwise married, can apply for a license, provided they are not 'related' or 'under the age of consent'.

Since the 16th Century, 'marriage' has moved out of the control of 'religion', and especially after the founding of the US and the 'separation of church and state' codified in the Constitution.

This process has done nothing to 'change' what a specific religious denomination may believe about what constitutes a marriage.

In Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. (8 Otto.) 145 (1878) the court held that while 'religious beliefs' were 'free and protected' under the Constitution, 'actions' could be legislated.

Hence whether a man could marry one or more women, in the case of Reynolds, or whether the marriage between same-sex can be officially sanctioned, can be regulated, and any law must comply with elements of the Constitution, such as 'equal protection'.

The state of course could discontinue defining relationships such as 'marriage' altogether. There are plenty of laws protecting children and defining parents' responsibilities which do not refer to the 'marital status' of the parents.

postaledith
Freeland, WA

Gay marriage is here to stay and it's not going away. It will continue to grow and not affect anyone else's marriage. And there will be more couples with equal rights. It's a win-win situation. The world will not come to an end, the sun will still shine, and the birds will still be chirping. It's a great thing!

Archie1954
Vancouver, BC

there will always be those who are stuck in a previous century. The point is we can't allow them to force their narrow mindedness on the rest of society. I will always support the right of individuals to live their own lives in private the way they wish to as long as they are not hurting themselves or others. A late foreign statesman said back in the 1960s that "the State has no business in the bedrooms of the Nation" and I happen to agree with that policy statement wholeheartedly. Imagine ladies and gentlemen, this statement was made in the late 1960s and here we are in this country fifty years later discussing something that should have been settled as social policy a half century ago!

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

@bandersen. You are 100% right about liberty soon becoming just a memory. Below is what is coming to Utah if conservatives continue to sit on their laurels:

Aug. 12, 2013. Democratic California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a new law into effect on Monday afternoon affording students confused about their “gender identity” a host of new rights, including the ability to use either a boy’s or girl’s restroom and either locker room.
The legislation, Assembly Bill 1266, authored by Democratic State Assemblyman Tom Ammiano from San Francisco, allows students in grades as young as kindergarten to use “facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”
Ammiano’s spokesman, Carlos Alcala, told TheBlaze on Monday afternoon the bill would even permit high school males who say they identify as females, to use a woman’s locker room.

Utahns, still think same sex marriage laws are harmless?

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Male and Female He Created Them: The Church and ‘Same-Sex Marriages’
Issue: Why does the Church oppose government-sanctioned homosexual “marriages”?
Discussion: Two men cannot legitimately marry each other, nor can two women, no matter what any earthly judicial or legislative body may say. Marriage is by nature defined by the conjugal act between one man and one woman, a monogamous or exclusive union in which the two become one in a lifelong partnership (cf. Gen. 2:24; Mt. 19:4-6).This truth is understandable not only through divine Revelation, but also through natural reason. For by nature, man and woman are made for each other. They complement each other both physically and socially. In contrast, homosexual relationships are unnatural and do not contribute to the growth of society. In fidelity to the teachings of Christ, the Catholic Church opposes homosexual activity and state approval of homosexual relationships.
We Mormons have a lot in common with our Catholic Brothers and Sisters. Let's stand together for our liberty and rights in Utah!. Now is the time to let your voice be heard - contact your representatives!

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

"Joe Wolverton, who described himself as a "constitutional" attorney, threw out words like secession and treason while talking about states' rights and federalism in his remarks to the crowd.

"We are absolutely within our right to secede from a political union that no longer answers to the demands of liberty and justice," he said."

This rhetoric is straight from 1860. If Mr. Wolverton ever comes to Virginia, I'm more than happy to take him on a tour of Appomattox Court House, where my great-great grandpa and his comrades surrendered to Grant. Wolverton's pernicious brand of politics ended there with a wimper 149 years ago at the cost of 620,000 Americans. I'd rather avoid a rematch, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to let his ilk try it again.

Joe Carlin
OAKLAND, CA

"I do though believe totally that Marriage is between a Man and a Woman. "

And your rights are still intact. Men and women are still able to marry in the great state of Utah. If you don't believe same sex couples should marry, you have absolutely every right not to marry someone of the same sex. Your beliefs and your rights are completely intact.

But just as someone who doesn't believe in eating pork doesn't have a right to force everyone else not to eat pork, freedom of belief requires that we all -individually- are able to practice our beliefs as we see fit. And some people believe that people of the same gender should be able to marry. If you don't like that, don't practice it. But don't force your beliefs on others and all of us will get along just fine.

Joe Carlin
OAKLAND, CA

"But I SERIOUSLY AGREE with this statement--from the article--which is my basis for ALL my disagreement with, and aggravation with the LGBT community: 'we choose not to teach that to our children and we don't want you teaching it to them either.'"

So teach your children what you want to teach them. It doesn't mean other people don't have a right to live their lives. For heavens sakes, this was the basis of segregation: That white people didn't want to have to live around black people, and they had a right to keep their children from it. Let it be a teachable moment, to explain your beliefs and teach them what you want to. But just as I object to your beliefs that we are not all children of God, all equal in his eyes and deserving of equal rights, it doesn't mean in a free society I have a right to force you not to express yourself. I would just use it as a teachable moment. As should you.

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