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Published: Sunday, Jan. 5 2014 3:25 p.m. MST

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bandersen
Saint George, UT

My owe my, some where in this favored land, the sun is shining bright, the band is playing some where and some where hearts are light...because the spark of liberty still thrives in a few hearts! The rest will need to read the Constitution and actually come to the knowledge of its impeccable wisdom in leaving the power of government into the hands of the people! don't wait too long Utah or liberty will be just a memory!

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

It's people like this who will bring marriage equality nationwide. It's clear they have a strong animus towards LGBT people. One only needs to read Kennedy's ruling to see how he feels about that. Shelby's ruling will stand and this sheriff will go down in the history books with the likes of George Wallace. He only likes the parts of the Constitution that support his beliefs, but he seems to ignore the 5th and 14th.

Saguaro
Scottsdale, AZ

Graham County population: 38,000

Salt Lake County LGBT population: 50,000

Turnout to see the former sheriff: 200

Turnout seeking Utah same-sex marriage licenses: 2,000

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

No the state does not have the power to tell the federal gov't it won't enforce the law. Nullification is in blatant violation of the Constitution but these neo-Confederates can't figure that out (the Confederates believed strongly in "states rights" and nullification, it's what they say the war was fought for).

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

I guess this Sheriff forgot about the separation of church and state in the U.S. Constitution. Like most religious people do with their scripture, politicians also seem to pick and choose from the Constitution.

HappyHeathen
Puyallu, Wa.

Richard Mack and his wingnut group that believes sheriffs are the highest executive authority in a country and therefore constitutionally empowered to keep overbearing fedrul gubnmint agents out. The Deseret News scrapping the bottom of the barrel for opinion?

christoph
Brigham City, UT

The economy is growing so everything is not negative in the world; there is good and evil out there however. Just be patient, let the process work its way out. Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts gave a gracious gift to Mr. Obama with upholding the health care law (and Mr. Roberts being a smart man made the correct decision- to allow elections to make the decision), yet now after that one gift, Mr. Roberts will show his conservative bend for the next 20 years, and so there is much to hope for in the world.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I'm tired of this topic already.

Can't we just move on?

Or is gay marriage the only thing happening in Utah that the dnews will report on?

How about new pollution regulations? New legislation that gets special interest money out of elections? Swallow? Shurtleff? How about new legislation about payday loans? Or experiences from payday loans? How many elections has Mr Powers influenced?

Rome is burning and the Dnews is fiddling spending all their time and energy on gay marriage.

Grammy3
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

I am not against the Gays and Lesbians I would like to see them have equal rights like being able to go visit them in the Hospital or when they pass away to be able to be part of all that needs to take place. I do though believe totally that Marriage is between a Man and a Woman. This is how God created the World if one believes in the Bible and the creation. I have my rights as well and when someone is trying to take away my rights I am not going to be quite about it. To me I am sick and tired of them throwing this down my throat. Where are my rights. So please do not take mine away. I have friends and family who are gay and I love them all the same. I just believe that with marriage it is how God intended it to be between a Man and a Woman.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I've read the bible, Mr. former Arizona sheriff. I've also read some harry potter, and watched a few hanna barbera and bugs bunny cartoons. I am not obligated by your opinion to take any of them as being true. Indeed, I am pretty much required by the constitution to evaluate all of these things for myself, and myself alone. And I am coming to different conclusions than you are. That's OK; that's part of a functional system. I get to do that. And to no less extent, so do you. But to no greater extent, either.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Joe Wolverton, who described himself as a 'constitutional' attorney, threw out words like secession and treason while talking about states' rights and federalism in his remarks to the crowd.

The federal government does hundreds of things every day that are not in the 'contract,' so states have the right to rescind it, he said.

'We are absolutely within our right to secede from a political union that no longer answers to the demands of liberty and justice," he said.'

If loose talkers like this actually got their way they would face a revolution directed at them by people who are being crushed by contemporary capitalism - stagnant wages, diminished opportunity for themselves and their children - for whom the only possible relief can come from the Federal government. Attorney Wolverton is indifferent to the concentration of wealth at the top. I guess he likes it.

If Wolverton succeeds in dismantling the system he's in for some big surprises, like a socialist United States.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

danO: At some future date will those who are breaking the 7th commandment be congratulated?

Hugh1
Denver, CO

"Gulbrandsen said the governor and state lawmakers have the power to tell the federal government that Utah will not enforce Shelby's ruling." Really? "'Governor George Wallace had vowed at his inauguration to defend, 'segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever.'" In 1963, Governor Wallace stood in the path of two black students in defiance of a court order. "President Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard", and that was the end of that.
"We are absolutely within our right to secede from a political union that no longer answers to the demands of liberty and justice." -Joe Wolverton. Mr. (or should I say President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis) was a Mississippi slave holder claiming,"...that each state was sovereign and had an unquestionable right to secede from the Union." 670,000 dead Americans paid that claim.
Mr. Mack, a former sheriff, is interpreting Bible verses to determine what rights your gay children/grand children should or shouldn't have. I wonder if Gulbrandsen, Wolverton, and Mack will testify before the Supreme Court as expert witnesses for the State of Utah. If you believe what they say, put them on the stand.

speed66
Heber City, UT

@ banderson...I'm sure you meant "my, oh my" and not "owe my" but it does speak to your position. The problem with most is that they don't understand the constitution at all...nor do they recognize that the affairs of today can not be meant with the same thinking that was prominent 230+ years ago.

Gay marriage and equality is here to stay and Utah can be proud that it was at the center of the shift...even if they had to go kicking and screaming.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"If you read the Bible...."

He loses right there. This country is not a theocracy. Therefore what ever the bible says is irrelevant when it comes to legal matters.

Gibster
San Antonio, TX

Its people like this that drove me to leave the State of Utah in the mid to late 80's. However I am thankful that the Political Science faculty at WSU gave me a clear understanding of the 14th amendment before I left. Your understanding of the Constitution is clearly beased. Judge Shelby's ruling is legally sound and and will prevail. Deal With It!!!!

David in Houston
Houston, TX

"You're never going to convince us that homosexual marriage is one of those innate, God-given rights. It's not," he said. "If you read the Bible, you will plainly and simply see that it's not."

Apparently, the former sheriff didn't get the memo that the United States isn't a Christian theocracy, and the government is not obligated to enforce his chosen beliefs.

Considering that the Bible didn't have issues with the subservience of women, polygamous marriages (which were legal in the U.S. until 1899), and how best to treat your slaves, I think it might be best to keep religion and government separate. Especially considering that some people have differing religious beliefs or none at all.

Perhaps he should read the Declaration of Independence and its promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I'm fairly certain being able to marry the adult of your choice falls under that category, regardless of the sexual orientation of the person. Such a personal decision between two people is hardly the business of virtual strangers.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'"If you read the Bible, you will plainly and simply see that it's not."


I really want to know…

why people feel that everyone should follow the bible, when we have a constitution?

Plenty of other books out there right? Tora, Koran, Bible, BoM.

What makes one 'better' than another?

I would rather legislate about there here and now, the facts.

Than the fabrication that some use to justify discrimination.

And that is unfortunately what some christian teachings are promoting, discrimination.

My examples would be woman's suffrage, segregation, human slavery oh…

and the bible teaches not to eat shell fish or wear mixed fabrics.

Choose wisely.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Just check out what's happened in Massachussetts since the legalization of same-sex marriage. It will scare you to death. See how it has effected schools, the health care system and even Churches and their freedom to practice their faith. It is the slippery slope. We don't want this in Utah. I encourage everyone to support the efforts of the State to fight for the rights of the people to make our own laws. Freedom is at stake.

Mayfair
City, Ut

If there was just a way to have Gays and Lesbians understand this one thing (reflected in this man's statement from this article), about what most of the Hetero community has against them.....

I personally feel to allow all men and women to do whatever and to feel whatever they want.


But I SERIOUSLY AGREE with this statement--from the article--which is my basis for ALL my disagreement with, and aggravation with the LGBT community:

"we choose not to teach that to our children and we don't want you teaching it to them either."

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