Really? Judging a college's happiness by measuring freshmen retention rate,
the quality of the health center, and misc. student ratings? I graduated from
both USU and BYU and I was happier in Cache Valley.
Editing error - I meant to say "academic rigors are NOT an accurate
factor...in..."happiness" category. My apologies.
Having graduated from both Stanford and BYU, the academic rigors are really an
accurate factor in why BYU would be below Stanford in the purely subjective
"happiness" category. From my experience the academic rigor is about
the same. A little over 50% of Stanford's student body are in graduate
school, many of whom are BYU graduates. Nor do I think the conservativism or
liberalism of the school really has much to do with it. While purely
subjective, bigger factors in "happiness" at a particular campus have
more to do with the school's ability to meet your particular academic needs
and goals: openness and interaction between faculty/staff and students, alumni
support, facilities, location, academic focus and a feeling on contribution to
the betterment of society - strengths at both schools. While Stanford
certainly has a diverse student body in terms of nationalities,
"diversity" can come in many different shapes, sizes, thoughts and
personalities, contrary to the popular over-generalization of homogeneity in any
one ethnicity, nationality or other group. My family and I greatly enjoyed the
social interactions, campus environment, academic opportunities, community
involvement and overall experiences at both schools. "Happiness" is
what and where you make it.
Where's Utah on the happiness scale? They are certainly more liberal than
BYU which according to some of those who have commented on this article, allows
students to think and do whatever they want so their happiness grade must
obviously be off the charts! Utah is probably so high that the Daily Beast threw
Utah out because they were a statistical outlier.
Bob K, "freedom to form one's thinking" at schools like Stanford is
dogma, rather than reality. You are free from censure and harassment by faculty
and students alike, as long as you conform. BYU offers freedom from
Stanford's (and 95% of all US Universities')"orthodoxy." I
even noticed my American History prof at BYU providing left-wing commentary in
nearly every lecture and he had been teaching there a long time! :-)
re: EsquireThe source doesn't matter as long as it advances the
agenda that all is well in Zion?re: JustmythoughtsIsn't a Lions share of the student body someone from California who had
one or both parents attend the y?re: Cats"BYU is a
really **special** environment." Curious; Do you mean special in
the context of the Utah true beliver?
I'm not at all surprised at this. BYU is a really special environment.
Having attended another university before, I can tell you that the caliber of
people and the environment are much better at BYU. I consider having graduated
from BYU to be one of the greatest blessings of my life. The standards and
lifestyle there are the things that lead to true happiness and success in life.
Me an DerLees Summit, MOIn your slam on my comment, you wrote
the most telling thing about mormons and BYU: Also ignored is the
notion that young people heading off to school is somehow helping them gain
"more freedom to form one's own way of thinking" while others have
long since found their way and know where they are going which certainly points
out the extreme immaturity of so many college age folks these days"-- Only mormons would ever say that people entering college ought to have
found their way and know where they are going. The rest of us think that is the
purpose of college."ignores the diversity of BYU's
worldwide student body along with the worldwide experience of US students
there."-- Only mormons would think that a student body of mostly
all mormons in a mormon college was diversity. "Lastly, "the
very high cost of Stanford excludes unhappy folks" or does wealth keep them
returning to keep their free lifestyle rolling on."-- what a
load of judgement and lack of humor!The notion that a university so
tied to religion compares to Stanford is sad.
Attending BYU and Graduating from there was like going to Hawaii for me... I
didn't realize how great it was until I had moved on...
I've attend both State schools and Church schools and taught at a State
school and for me, the Church schools were preferred. I agree with alt134 this
@JustmythoughtsYou apparently are quite content, coming from Utah. It is
Californians like me, who pay tithing to your university, along with my
children, who are looking to have more of an advantage in dating eligible LDS
suitors. Unfortunately, we have no BYU California, but you have a BYU Utah and
Idaho. We pay for our children to live up in your state, as well. This gives you
more revenue for the state, thereby creating more jobs in your state.
Californians deserve to complain, once in awhile.
I was very happy at BYU and after earning three degrees, even happier to
graduate and leave Utah County. I will forever have fond memories of BYU and
When I attended BYU, I was very happy. .... But I did get tired of all the
homesick Californians constantly complaining about the weather and how boring
Utah was. They didn't seem too happy to me....and they were everywhere.
You couldn't swing a dead cat and not hit some homesick Californian.
The DesNews relying on a liberal website. Too funny!
Someone said "Stanford is rated #3, although it is a thousand miles more
liberal," which is countered by "its lack of ties to a church suggests
more freedom to form one's own way of thinking" and yet brings out the
huge commonality of those who are political brothers and sisters. Also ignored
is the notion that young people heading off to school is somehow helping them
gain "more freedom to form one's own way of thinking" while others
have long since found their way and know where they are going which certainly
points out the extreme immaturity of so many college age folks these days which
is born out by charging up such expenses in loans, etc. And, the notion that
"Stanford also has a much more diverse population," ignores the
diversity of BYU's worldwide student body along with the worldwide
experience of US students there. Without counting the number of freshman who
leave to serve missions around the world, but who happily return, one cannot
obtain an appropriate measure of "happiness." Lastly, "the very
high cost of Stanford excludes unhappy folks" or does wealth keep them
returning to keep their free lifestyle rolling on.
This ranking makes sense for the categories used, after all BYU is basically the
church school (sorry BYU-Idaho), everyone who is going there pretty much wants
one particular experience that can't really be duplicated at any other
school and everyone who doesn't want that sort of experience didn't
apply there in the first place.
As someone who attended or taught at three of the top 20 (including BYU),
I'll say that BYU is right where it should be as one of the happiest
places. I wonder if it would rank even higher if they factored in percentage of
students who enroll out of those accepted (the "happy to be there
category"). I think BYU is ranked in the top three in that category.
Wow, Texas A&M, UNC, U of W, the 2 Florida schools and Stanford. Those are
some pretty good schools to be grouped with. Well you know, it is called
But Olsen said one of the reasons BYU may not rank No. 1 is because the academic
program is so rigorous.Undoubtedly true, but Stanford is rated #3,
although it is a thousand miles more liberal, and highly ranked around the
world. BYU is a great school, but far from that league.Stanford also
has a much more diverse population, and its lack of ties to a church suggests
more freedom to form one's own way of thinking.Maybe the very
high cost of Stanford excludes unhappy folks?