RE: Northern Lights, Moroni 10: A testimony of the Book of Mormon comes by the
power of the Holy Ghost—The gifts of the Spirit are dispensed to the
faithful—Spiritual gifts always accompany faith, Moroni’s words
speak from the ‘dust’.’ Is 29:4 JST) “ And
thou(she) shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy(her)
speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy(her) voice shall be, as of one that
hath a “familiar spirit”, out of the ground, and thy(her) speech
shall whisper out of the “dust”. (Deut 18: 10-11) There
shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass
through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an
enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with “familiar
spirits”, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Sharrona,The problem with copying and pasting material from anti-LDS
authors, including Jack Kettler, is that they don't always tell you where
an LDS author's quote ends and the anti-LDS author's opinion beings.
That is especially true regarding the quote in your last post. Anyone can twist
meaning with a few well-placed... period marks. Even worse, this type of
material normally only detracts from the subject at hand.I believe
that LeGrand Richards never said "those with wisdom should stay far away
from it [The Book of Mormon]." I simply cannot locate that quote in any of
LeGrand Richards' works. Nor do I believe he said it in the manner or
context of the quote presented in this "remarkable claim". With that said, I sadly no longer have a desire to contribute to this
particular discussion. I hope everyone understands.
RE: Northern Lights, There are 15 O. T. references to "familiar
spirits," and every one of them refer to mediums in witchcraft, including
Is. 29:4, the text is really talking about the destruction of Ariel or
Jerusalem, not about the B. of M...LeGrand Richards makes the
remarkable claim: “Truly it [Book of Mormon] has a familiar
spirit…As will be seen in this study, claiming “The Book of
Mormon” has a “familiar spirit” is truly bizarre and yet, I
believe this claim is actually true. Yes, it is true, “The Book of
Mormon” really does have a “familiar spirit” and those with
wisdom should stay far way from it.
Sharonna,"Her" is Ariel, symbolic of Judah and also parallel
to the Nephite nation. Both were destroyed. Their people returned to the dust
of the earth as a natural consequence of death. Those departed, who Christians
generally believe are ghosts, spirits, or angles, speak to us today, and warn
us, through their records and writings. This is one of many reasons why both
the Old Testament and the Book of Mormon are of great worth to mankind today.
RE: Northern Lights, In my opinion, you continue to misinterpret 2 Nephi. Nephi
is using the term "familiar" as an adjective, not as a noun.(Is 29:4 JST)“And thou *she shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out
of the ground, and thy= (her) speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy=(her)
voice shall be, as of one that hath a *familiar spirit, out of the ground, and
thy=(her) speech shall whisper out of the dust”.The inspired
version makes only minor changes. *ghost conjured up from the grave,(NLT).
Sharrona,In my opinion, you continue to misinterpret 2 Nephi. Nephi
is using the term "familiar" as an adjective, not as a noun. Nephi is
stating that the language of the Book of Mormon will resemble the language of
RE: Northern Lights The Book of Mormon endorsed the O.T. True, 2 Nephi 26:16
"familiar spirit" the B of M refers to Isaiah 29:4.Compare
the KJV translation to the (Latin vulgate, Is 29:4), and thy speech shall
whisper out of the ‘dust’. and thy voice shall be from the earth
like that of the “*pythonis=(familiar spirit)”, and out of the earth
thy speech shall mutter. (Latin Vulgate 1 Sam 28:7) And Saul said to
his servants: Seek me a woman that hath a divining spirit=( *pythonem/familiar
spirit), and I will go to her, and enquire by her. And his servants said to him:
There is a woman that hath a divining spirit=(*pythonem)[witch]at Endor.Acts 16:16 And it came to pass , as we went to prayer a certain
damsel possessed with a spirit of divination=(*python/Grk,= #4436) met us
which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying.In Greek
mythology, Pythian a serpent dwelt in the region of Pytho at Parnassus in
Phocis,. 2. a spirit of divination.
In the New Testament, Jesus quoted scripture from the Old Testament. In the
Book of Mormon, Jesus endorsed the Old Testament. He would not have done either
had this scripture been a lie or a fable.Mark Twain may have been a
good fiction writer, but that doesn't make him right about the Old
Mark Twain on the Old Testament: "It is full of interest. It has noble
poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some
good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."'Nuff said.
Without the OT, we fail to understand the NT.