Published: Friday, Jan. 3 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
procuradorfiscal said: It's amazing that real scientists let "climate
scientists" get away with torqueing their theories. models, and predictions
to now assert that validity of their global warming alarmism is proven by
widespread global cooling.Sorry but glenn, rush and gang are not
"real scientists" and spin from fox in no way validates your opinion.What's amazing is how ideals interfere with critical thinking,
perhaps that is why they fear common core, the critical thinking part, because
makes it harder to listen to those radio jokers and actually believe them.
Again the question begs an answer, what is the right temperature for the earth?
Why would a warmer temperature caused by AGW or just plain earth cycle warming
be bad? Climatic scientists have said the hurricane in New Jersey and New York
was not caused by global warming. Temperatures in the ninth century
B.C. were warmer than they are now. Temperatures have gone up and down since
the earth was formed. If you say because of human life that would be lost, then
you are basing your belief on religious bias that man is above evolution and
evolution has ended. If you say we must control the temperature to prevent the
loss of species, then again you support the argument there is no evolution.
Millions of species have been lost from the earth from its first creation. If
you argue we have a responsibility to take care of the earth, for who, a god
that you say has no power to intervene? As a member of the international
climate group said, global warming carbon taxes are for the redistribution of
wealth. Of course we all know taxes rarely get to those that need them.
If one really did more that headline read, they would realize that Antarctica is
larger than the U.S. and that the ice is melting on one side while thickening on
the other. Moral of the story, don't scoff since no one here is a climate
scientist and most do nothing but skim the facts. Since we are all fools maybe
we should act as though the earth is important to us rather than arguing over
our ignorance. After all isn't that what God is, the ultimate scientist?
From Fox News (AKA “fair and balanced”):"We're
stuck in our own experiment," the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said in
a statement Monday. “We came to Antarctica to study how one of the biggest
icebergs in the world has altered the system by trapping ice. We ... are now
ourselves trapped by ice surrounding our ship.”So, apparently
they knew about the recent phenomena. Darn scientists . . .
Ok here is the challenge to all of the Climate Change Alarmists.The
NOAA stated that if we ever had 15 years or more with no statistically
significant warming, that would mean that the models are wrong. We are now
going on to 16 to 19 years (depending on the dataset) with no warming.There is not a valid model for global warming, so why do you still cling to
the results of a bad model?Would you fly on an airplane that was
known to have major defects? Would you drive a car full of kids knowing that it
was faulty?Why trust theories based on something that is wrong?
This "irony" was also reported by Faux News. The commander of the ship
said it was warmer waters which broke up a large iceberg and winds pushed the
pieces up against the ship. There is no irony here, but there is further
Back in the early hay-day of the global warming hysteria... Al Gore said
scientists predict the Arctic ice would be completely gone by 2014... Maybe they
were just going down to check for themselves to see if it was gone.It's summer in the Southern Hemisphere now... so maybe they thought the
ice would be getting thinner instead of getting thicker.It will be
interesting to see what their conclusions are when they get back. Probably that
man really IS causing global warming (just not where they were).
Global warming will have many consequences, among them wilder fluctuations in
the weather as the atmosphere becomes more energetic. The widening of the jet
stream is already producing more and more catastrophic results. These things are
undeniably happening as a result of a quick trend up in global temperature.
Onion DazeGee, in my day I was sure I was told it was around 19
degrees. I guess my memory is going or the Earth is tilting more. Either way,
thanks for the correction. I just hope it stays around 23 degrees, and does not
go for 45. Now THAT could cause global warming, or cooling, depending upon
which part of the planet one is on.SchneeSo yes perhaps
we are sucking in more CO2 than in the past. Maybe it is a good thing in the
long run. Maybe planet Earth is going to ask of its lifeforms to adapt to a
more dense CO2 environment in the future. Maybe it will help prepare the human
body in generations to come to better adapt to a very high CO2 planet like Mars,
should we ever really need to go there to teraform the place and live. Who
knows?, but change and adaptation seems to have been the order of life on Earth
for eons. We are just part of it.
The trend over the past 15 + years is no warming.Is this enough
weather to count as climate?
When I was in elementary school in the 1960's we were told scientists were
saying we were heading for another ice age. Is is possible that the carbon
dioxide we are putting into the air is keeping us from that? This makes sense
because in the past 15 years carbon dioxide has increased but the earth
hasn't become any warmer. The trend towards cooling is being balanced by
the warming effect of the carbon dioxide, or so it would seem.If
this is the case, we shouldn't decrease our carbon output for several
thousand years at least, until the ice age cycle comes to an end. We are lucky
this time around we have a defense, Last time, North America was covered by
thousands of feet of ice.
happy2bhere,Just to be clear, the history is that when there are
quick (decades or even centuries vs. millenia) adaptation does not keep up.
Many of the species die off and then, in a period of slow recovery, the
remainder (the most adapted to the new reality) repopulate.Not a
good plan given none of us know how we or our progeny will score on the CO2
adaptation scorecard. Perhaps we should think of something that does not
@Redshirt1701"There is not a valid model for global warming, so why do
you still cling to the results of a bad model?"Why are you
ignoring the decades of actual observations we have? The models aren't
perfect but they do a fairly good job.@2bits"Al Gore said
scientists predict the Arctic ice would be completely gone by 2014."The IPCC projected mid to late 21st century so most scientists disagreed
with that idea.@cjb"When I was in elementary school in the
1960's we were told scientists were saying we were heading for another ice
age. Is is possible that the carbon dioxide we are putting into the air is
keeping us from that? "Back in the 50s and 60s we had a large
increase of aerosols in the atmosphere which have a cooling effect and that
stalled the warming from CO2 and other greenhouse gases. It's the aerosols
that led to the basis of fears of cooling but also were pollutants so we got
those cleaned up and then we started warming up again since the GHGs and
aerosols kinda were balancing each other out. China, India and others are
increasing aerosols lately though...
A single comet and it all resets. But in a truly evolutionary and non religious
point, why do we think our progeny rate more than the cockroach under the porch.
We and our progeny are but a mere spec on the time line of the earth. To say
that man is more important than all other evolutionary life is like the
scientists of old who thought the universe revolved around the earth.
I might have a bit less skepticism about all the "global warming"
theorists if I didn't know that they are targeting my wallet. They want to
impose carbon taxes and funnel all that money to projects under their control.
It is a power grab, pure and simple.Does anyone really believe that
Al Gore gives a hoot about the environment? He cares about his money. When he
and other liberals start getting rid of their big houses, limos, private planes,
and yachts and giving their own money to fix the problem then I will start
taking them more seriously.Let me know when Harrison Ford sells one
of his private jets and gives all the money to restore the rain forest. Then I
will know he is serious about the message he is trying to send.
To "Schnee" actually the models do a poor job of predicting future
temperature increases. The past 16 years are a perfect example.Why
trust a model that has proven itself wrong, that is the question. A broken
clock is still correct 2 times a day, but I wouldn't use it just because it
gets something right on occasion.
When I was in elementary school they taught us that we would be dead from
over-population by now. Later on it was that all livable space was going to
taken up by landfill (mostly paper diapers). Then it was something else.
It's always something.And yet... we are still here. So I guess
we have adapted.I remember the projections of how many people per
square foot there would be in the year 2000... It was something very scary, like
each person would have 6 square feet to exist in. And yet... when I fly across
America today, most of the time you can't even see a human habitation. Just
mountains, and deserts, and forests and lakes and prairies, etc. Some cities...
but they are tiny compared to the amount of forest and uninhibited land.That taught me not to be super concerned about the doomsday fad of the
day. Kinda the crying wolf affect I guess. It will probably bite me someday, but
so far none of them have come true.
I love the utah approach. If it didn't happen in my back yard today,
it's not happening at all.
You would think the dnews would consider printing some data and research showing
that the climate is getting warmer. It may put an end to such inane letters like
this.But no, they have no desire for truth.
to 2 bits: The Arctic and the Antarctic are not the same place. In fact they are
on opposite ends of the planet.
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