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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2014 12:32 a.m.

    "Right now the utes have one quality win (BYU)"

    That's debatable.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 3, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    @johninslc

    "How 'bout you wait to see if the Utes lose 4 in a row, 2 to mediocre teams, before calling out Ute fans (on a BYU article)?"
    ****

    How 'bout you play some teams outsideof the HC... The utes have played only one game outside of the gym that the team practices in and they lost that game... If your big bad conference didn't require a home and home I am wagering that your AD and Coach would have played all your games at home...

    Truth is we really don't know how good the utes are this year because most of their games have been against 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier teams on their home floor... We're about to find out though... Y'all have a soft trip planned next weekend, then you have a couple more games at home and then the real test will start... So for y'all are winless on the road.

    Right now the utes have one quality win (BYU) so if I were a ute fan I don't think that I would be putting down or rooting for the demise of the Cougs... They maybe your saving argument for an NIT bid.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 5:10 p.m.

    two words DEE CUSTING!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    "As for BYU . . . they still stink right now . . . Let's see if a Ute fan can admit the same about the Utes."

    SunDevil:

    Why, for one loss to Boise State?

    How 'bout you wait to see if the Utes lose 4 in a row, 2 to mediocre teams, before calling out Ute fans (on a BYU article)?

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Jan. 2, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    NIT is now our goal. Hope we can even make that.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    ekute, was just thinking the same thing. Kudos to good folks like thebigsamoan who are truly proud of the young men and women who sacrifice so much of their time committed to their activities that we all enjoy watching for a few hours each week, enough to actually support them in victory or defeat.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 2, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    ekute,

    I don't see anyone jumping off the BYU bandwagon. Perhaps you have an example?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    It's funny how the most incessant Utah detractors are the first ones to jump off the band wagon when byu struggles.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 2, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    These guys just ain't that good. Go Dukies

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    Defense is the best cure for cold shooting. When a team isn't making shots from the field, they better play tough defense on their opponents to make up for it. BYU isn't doing that and it is really hurting them. Until they start putting more emphasis on defensive toughness, they will have a hard time winning when they aren't connecting from the field.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 2, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    "They finally made one when Anson Winder came off the bench and hit a 3..."

    Enough already - start playing Winder and Bartley.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 2, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    StGtoSLC & Uteology

    No, I won't say anything good about Utah on a BYU article. In fact, my original post was stating that ALL teams in Utah have stunk this year (save maybe Utah state). Spokeane Ute's comment (which was off topic but DN refuses to remove it) was that ASU was overrated because they lost to Texas Tech. So why would I say anything good about Utah? Why would I waste my time looking up any "pundits" views about Utah (because we all know how accurate the pundits are). No, I don't have to give Utah any credit for anything they have done. As Utah fans like to rub in BYU's face, Utah is relevant because they are in the PAC 12. Since Utah hasn't done anything in the PAC 12, they are irrelevant. Potential, someday? yes. Today, No.

    As for BYU (since that is what this article is about), they still stink right now. Me being a BYU fan can admit it. Let's see if a Ute fan can admit the same about the Utes.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 1, 2014 9:20 p.m.

    @ekute and uteology and whoever else wants to compare recruiting results between the utes and the Cougs for 2013 and 2014...

    2013... utah brought in 3* Delon Wright, 2* Brandon Taylor, and 2* Dakari Tucker...

    2013... BYU broght in 4* Erik Mika,3* Luke Worthington, and signed 4* Nick Emery, 3* Braiden Shaw, and 2* Jacob Hartsock to rank 19th overall in the country... (utah was not ranked)... In addition, we just picked up James Aytes from UNLV who was a 3* for this class

    2014... Utah had one of their better recruiting years in about a decade... Chapman is a 4*, Wright is a 3* and Kuzma is a 3*... (Chapman was a great get)... I doubt very seriously that come signing day Utah will have a recruiting ranking of either 4th best in the pac12 or in the top 30 in the country (please give us your source for your assertion).

    2014... According to my numbers BYU out-recruited the utes in 2014 as well... Signing 4* TJ Haws, 4* Payton Dastrup (both top 100 players), 3* players Jake Toolson and Dalton Nixon, and NR Ryan Andrus... (However, BYU is also not presently rated in the top 30).

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 7:59 p.m.

    I did not see this loss coming. Things appear to be going terribly for BYU. Home games are needed in the worst of ways. The WCC is NOT what BYU needs. If they have any opportunity to get in major conference, jump at the first offer by golly.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 7:40 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil, it was Kevin Gemmell. Took about 30 seconds to look up. Several other pundits have also made similar statements concerning Utah's move into the PAC-12 as well as TCU's move into the Big XII, who's had many of the same growing pains, just as ASU and UA had their own growing pains when the PAC-8 was expanded. Of course I don't expect you to ever acknowledge something positive anyone has to say about the team you love to hate.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 1, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    Uteology,

    Everyone? ESPN disagrees:

    "If this were a five-year projection, I think the Utes would be higher. But I also think they need to go through at least a full class cycle before they can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy.... It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters."

    Congrats, you claim a needle in a haystack without anyone being able to confirm or deny the statement allegedly by ESPN. I venture to guess that it is fabricated because you didn't even bother to state who made the comment.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 1, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil
    Uteology,

    Why don't we just wait and see if you can conjure up a winning PAC 12 record, then we'll talk about if Utah won't be a failure, because right now, everyone in country looks at Utah as a failure and they don't need to wait any amount of time...

    -----------

    Everyone? ESPN disagrees:

    "If this were a five-year projection, I think the Utes would be higher. But I also think they need to go through at least a full class cycle before they can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy.... It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters."

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    If you have seen any high school games the last few years young Mr.s Emery and Haws aren't exactly defensive juggernauts. They are both shoot first ask questions later players who care most about getting their points. Same as the guys the Y has now.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    poyman,

    Coach K already has recruited a well as Rose. Delon Wright, Jordan Loveridge, Brandon Taylor, Dakari Tucker...And did you see the trees under the basket?!

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 1, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    Wow! What is going on with BYU athletics? First football is floundering as an independent and now basketball is playing in high school gyms and losing. Thank goodness BYU has volleyball to look forward to.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 1, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    poyman
    Lincoln City, OR
    @ 2-13, oops, I mean 54-10

    The utes can only some day hope that they recruit as well as Rose has recruited... Lone Peak was the number one HS in America last year... For Rose to pick off 3 fours star athletes out of the program is a "coup" of monstrous proportion... Utah will never be able to match that and in just 2 to 3 short years the country will be looking at BYU in the same way that they looked at Butler and Gonzaga in the past

    ----------

    We have the #4 ranked PAC 12 class for 2014, a top 30 class nationally. The coup would have been to pick up Jabari Parker, it didn't happen. Lone Peak players just might get BYU to another Sweet 16, just like their older siblings did at BYU.

  • I'll call it Ogden, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Refs fault again?

    Congratulations to the Waves, they were the better team.

    Now that wasn't so hard.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Jan. 1, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    The WCC away games for BYU are horrific. My local HS team has more fans and I'm not joking. I loved watching the Mtn hoop games. This is terrible basketball.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 1, 2014 4:20 a.m.

    @ 2-13, oops, I mean 54-10

    The utes can only some day hope that they recruit as well as Rose has recruited... Lone Peak was the number one HS in America last year... For Rose to pick off 3 fours star athletes out of the program is a "coup" of monstrous proportion... Utah will never be able to match that and in just 2 to 3 short years the country will be looking at BYU in the same way that they looked at Butler and Gonzaga in the past.

    When the utes actually even make the NCAA Tourney again, then you will have license to be critical. Or, when your team is able to win just 35% of their games against the Cougs I might be willing to listen to ute critiques... But till then, y'all just sound silly and out of touch to anyone who knows anything about college hoops... particularly anyone who knows about the utes past 7 or 8 years of performance.

    Y'all have one good win against the Cougs, you've played one game away from the HC and you lost it... Let's see how y'all play when you have to go out on the road.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 1, 2014 4:04 a.m.

    I don't do this very often but I have to give props to cal cougar... I really liked your comment. Your words are exactly how I feel... Thanks.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 1, 2014 3:57 a.m.

    You ute fans crack me up... You win one out of the past 7 games and 2 out of the last 13 and not you are the world's experts on what's wrong with BYU's hoops program...

    You'll have to pardon me if I laugh at some of your comments...

    @uteology... Kaufusi will help this program immensely if he plays... He can jump out of the gym, he takes up a lot of space, set's great screens and he's got decent footwork for a Big... His big plus is that he will keep Mika and Austin in the games longer... I won't second guess Rose, but to me it is a no brainer as to whether or not we suit him up... You want to call him a "Thug" then fire away... As a coach I loved having a physical guy in the middle who can be an enforcer when needed.

    Lot's to work on, but we have one of the best coaches in the land and I fully expect to see a different BYU tam this weekend in comparison to what we have been seeing. Everything to gain and nothing to lose at this point.

  • LiberalJimmy Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    "The refs, the calls, the mascot, the court, the plane ride, the hotel, the weather", etc, etc. Apparently, cougie fans will be excellent this year at making excuses for having a mediocre basketball team at best. "Just like football"

  • gbo Draper, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    What a disappointing year this is turning out to be. Football first and now basketball. This team doesn't play as a team. Carlino is out of control all the time. Sometimes brilliant and sometimes a disaster. The team has no toughness on defense. Need a lot more scoring in the front court.

    Wish the boys well the rest of the way.

  • truth in all its forms henderson, NV
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    yes that is an 80. Yes that is a 74. Losing team, winning team. Go Pepperdine!

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    I have a lot of admiration for Rose too, but if the Cougars can get up to play competitively against top talent, they should be easily handling the WCC teams they've played so far. BYU manhandles lower tier talent, but plays near the level of all the top and second tier teams. If you're competitive with the top teams, then losing consistently to second tier teams is a discipline problem resolved by better coaching. Poor free-throw shooting is a reflection of poor overall discipline. I don't think the trend changes unless Rose looks inward and makes changes to the coaching approach.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 31, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    Interesting how a CougeeASU poster says all Utah schools are failures. How does it feel to be Tucson's whipping boy? The Wildcats own ASU in basketball.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    cal cougar: "Three, bad calls by the refs. I am not usually a ref call out person. But, the goal tend, at the end of the game"

    I'll give you and the other couple thousand fans at the game that booed it the benefit of the doubt that seeing it live is a little different than slow-mo instant replay, but that was absolutely a clean block, no goal tend. It was blocked into the backboard, which is legal, not after the ball had hit the backboard.

  • bringtheheat SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    I agree with 54-10. Cookie cutter players from Utah county will not
    get the job done in competitive D-1 college basketball. More are scheduled
    to arrive in next two years.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 31, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    Uteology,

    "I would label Utah a failure if we accomplish what ASU has over the last 35 years in the PAC 10/12, both in football and basketball."

    Why don't we just wait and see if you can conjure up a winning PAC 12 record, then we'll talk about if Utah won't be a failure, because right now, everyone in country looks at Utah as a failure and they don't need to wait any amount of time. ASU hasn't been a failure in PAC 12 play. They haven't been dominate or had spans of dominance, but then who knows what will happen going forward. All I know is TODAY, ASU is doing pretty good and TODAY, Utah is a failure.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    This team wouldn't win 4 games in the PAC 12, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, MWC etc.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 31, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    @BlueHusky

    Every team in the nation has to deal with the new rule change. If BYU players are still confused after 15 games then your in for a long season.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Utah also hasn't been recruiting under the PAC 12 banner since 1978, ASU has. I would label Utah a failure if we accomplish what ASU has over the last 35 years in the PAC 10/12, both in football and basketball.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 31, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    flatlander--

    "BYU had more rebounds, fewer fouls and fewer turnovers, what they don't have is anyone that can shoot anymore. I think the opponents have all figured out how to defense the Y and looks like a long season."

    Bingo....They were extremely fortunate to to have caught Stanford/Texas early....The U provided a blue-print on absolutely brutally curb-stomping byu and it will continue for the rest of the season, unless dr starts to earn his money through implementing adjustments which he's yet to do....He must be holding onto the belief that this isn't permanent and will correct itself....Personally, it's spanned too many games for this to be the case....These current losses involve more narrow final margins only because these other opponents are significantly less formidable.

    Otherwise, the only question remaining is whether or not byu can even finish at .500? Obviously, the only thing their game against Oregon showed was that, unlike Stanford/Texas, the Oregon coaching staff woke-up in time and realized what Coach LK & Co. knew perfectly before our game against byu, thereby avoiding the utter embarrassment of losing to this very, very poor byu team.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    This is what happens when half of your team is from Lone Peak high school and Utah County.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    BYU will get better... record wise... simply because the WCC has teams that BYU should beat like a drum.

    Like Poyman commented earlier...

    This teams performance as of the last 4 games suggests there is something going on within the team outside of the poor play other BYU fans have noted.

    As I have commented before...

    I have great respect for what Dave Rose has done at BYU...

    I like to watch Tyler Haws on the offensive end of the court...

    I like the grit and determination of Josh Sharp...whenever he gets a chance to play...

    However...

    Carlino continues to be an enigma...

    So much talent...

    So out of control...

    Mika would do well to focus on his performance...

    Not on spectators and referees...

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    It was reported that former star Hansen was at the game...I hope Coach Rose will access his and other qualified persons, (Danny Ainge), access their knowledge, observations about how to play better Defense, keep the bigs out of foul trouble.
    ...how is it that still, still, still, a foul is called on the defense when an offensive player jumps into the chest of a defender simply holding his ground??? ...how do we not show clips to the officials supervisor about that and get some future changes...surely a seasoned ref knows the offensive player has initiated the contact and the foul!

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    Wait til next year

  • Glad to be Retired Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Look at the other teams. They play disciplined basketball. We run down the court, throw up a prayer hoping to get fouled or we take ill prepared three point shots.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Interesting comments. I've seen all the games this year but the one not televised. This team has fallen apart. They were having fun dunking and slashing, and I was loving it. But somewhere the wheels fell off. Losing has broken this team's cohesiveness. And where is the outside shooting? Everybody is driving and trying to score at the rim! This is nuts.

    Defense last night was pretty good in 2nd half but those two shooters were unconscious. Well, that happens too often for BYU. New rules? Seems to bother the inside guys. But I saw some pretty rough play by Pepperdine - no whistles. I'm confused and so are our bigs.

    But there one place to start: make free throws. Every game they have lost could have been won with decent free throw shooting. Seventy-five percent FT shooting and the Cougs are unbeaten.

    BYU has always been a good FT shooting team! What's going on here?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Maybe if Rose recruited outside Utah County the results would be different. 4 out of 5 starters from that recruiting hotbed may not be such a good idea.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    How the mighty have fallen! Actually, it's kind of nice to see our good friends from the south having to eat a generous portion of humble pie.

    Go Utes!!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    BYU played Oregon far better than anyone expected and I thought that meant they were ready to romp through most of WCC league play. Maybe it is just confidence. It will be interesting to see how they play at home now.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Sad, just sad

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Three Cougar losses during a Holiday week is a great gift in my book!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Uteology - you said "BYU is killing Utah's RPI!!"

    I just checked this morning that BYU 7-7 RPI is at #26. We'll bounce back and don't worry. Just be more worried facing your PAC 11. And yeah of course when we are in the wcc race then the rpi will start going down hill.

    and

    Orem_man_am_I - Jeff Judkin is having too much fun coaching with those ladies and he won't change till he retires. What Dave Rose need is another Dave Rice. DR is here to stay and he is a good coach and teacher. And I like him more than any other coaches from Frank Arnold to Steve Cleveland! We'll bounce back but that is when it is WHEN!

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Im confused by all the Carlino hate and the Collinsworth support. Ive watched the games, Collinsworth seems more like a ball hog than even Carlino. Carlino is the ONLY true point on the team, and once he realizes that and stops trying to be the scoring gaurd, we would be so much better. Nobody can pass better then carlino. but everybody can score better than him. Collinsworth can score, but he isnt a point gaurd. he is a 2 gaurd at best. In my humble opinion. I hope they figure something out because watching this team right now is down right depressing.

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    Dec. 31, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    I was at the game last night. First half, Haws was way to passive. Whole team came out lethargic.

    Second half, BYU did a real nice job. It was very entertaining. BYU played with urgency. The things that killed them.

    One is obvious, the 3 ball by Pepperdine.

    Two, the absolute bad play by Carlino. He looked sick. Whether mentally or physically, he was out of it.

    Three, bad calls by the refs. I am not usually a ref call out person. But, the goal tend, at the end of the game and several travelling non calls were horrid. Fouls called both ways that were just wrong. Some bad calls came in favor of BYU but the majority went against them.

    The loss is not completely because of refs. That was just part of the problem.

    We are not going to the NCAA tourney now, but find what is wrong and correct. It is still entertaining basketball and I will be watching.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Keeping Carlino on the bench will pay off. Let Collinsworth handle and distribute the ball. Carlino is a net liability. Despite his physical gifts, he does not understand how to use them.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    It's been a long time since I've seen BYU's basketball team fall apart. They've got the talent. Sad.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Dec. 31, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    It is clear the Cougars are playing for drafting position. Oh wait....

  • Marigold Provo, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    ...but the BYU Women's Basketball Team has done really well--the women on this team are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Cougars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • YOGI46 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Defense.....defense......defense!!! We need to get into more of a defensive mindset. Once that can be accomplished the cougs will be more balanced and will start to win more games. It's difficult to go out night after night and put up big scoring numbers with poor defensive performances and win some....and loose some. But when you cant score and still have poor defensive skills..it will make for a long and frustrating season as a player as well as a spectator...

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Let me guess, the better team didn't win last night................

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    This losing strek will make our NCAA Tournament Championship run that much sweeter, if only the refs would stop hating us.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 31, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    Irrealavent? Kind of like losing to Texas Tech in your bowl game. Talk about over rated.

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    "What happened to the team that beat Stanford and Texas?"

    I believe those are called flukes.

    I've seen the same team that played at Pepperdine show up many times this season.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    What happened to the team that beat Stanford and Texas? The team that player Pepperdine looked nothing like them.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Dew- I'm not sure the MWC Commissioner would take BYU back, with their tail between their legs, and no football team. When they left he said they wouldn't allow BYU to stay with no football team. Remember all that drama?

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    Looks like Utah State is going to be the only bright spot again in Basketball this year. Utah hasn't played anyone of note this year and BYU can't pull it together. Athletics for all universities in the state of Utah can be summed up in two words: A JOKE.

    Have fun Utah guys and gals. The sooner you guys realize that all universities in the state of Utah are irrelevant, the sooner you'll start having fun!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    I feel bad for Coach Rose. I think Haws, Carlino and Mika should come in off the bench for a while. Maybe that will humble them.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Come on Cougars, defense first. Defense breeds offensive opportunities.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    @poyman

    Seems like each group of Refs look to see if they can be more shocking with some of their calls than the previous group.

    ------

    Sorry but the refs can't play defense for you and you if you think Kafusi, aka "thug" as Duckhunter's definition, then your team is in deep trouble.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Dec. 31, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    There's always NEXT YEAR.

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 6:28 a.m.

    This performance gives you cellar dweller status tied with Portland and San Diego.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 5:50 a.m.

    Did not see the game and no cable (good thing). Leave wcc and go back to mwc eccept football. Starter for Halford and bench Carlino. And firig DR is plain nonsence talk.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 1:21 a.m.

    I think it's pretty clear that BYU is having some serious internal issues right now. Those boys better figure out how to come together soon or they are going to have a rough ride through the WCC.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    BYU is not a good WCC team. WCC is not a good conference.
    No dance this year. But fans should keep showing up to he games.

  • le miye Pine Ridge, SD
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:10 a.m.

    i listened to this game and was surprised by the three pointers made by pepperdine and not by the king-maker play of the Cougs opponents. the Cougs did play great at times and need to improve their foul shooting and the starts to all the bb games at the green light. i am willing to contract and teach a course on foul shooting. i would like to see winder play more point and start;sharp needs to be available sooner. go Cougs! thanks for inspiring others to see their potential!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 12:04 a.m.

    This is all a head scratcher for me. It's not like this team lacks talent, but they have played with no heart or discipline these last 5-6 games. I've decided it's a lack of leadership. Who's the floor general on this team? Who do guys look to when the chips are down? Carlino has to be one of the least efficient and ineffective leaders I've ever seen at pg for BYU. This is shaping up to be a long season.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    This team is so disappointing.

    Can't shoot FT's
    Can't play half-court offense
    Can't play consistent defense

    I know all my "true-blue" brethren will say I'm negative and comment on, "how hard the boys played". Or "how proud we are of the team" but the fact is, this team is being forced fed into something they are not. They should focus more on team, rotating defense than running and gunning, since it seems that every opponent has figured that out.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    Wow!

    Really?

    Can't make this up. Tide is changing in Provo?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 30, 2013 11:20 p.m.

    Can you say UNRAVELLING?

    WCC teams have BYU figured out and it is a bloody feeding frenzy.

    This team has lots of problems but Rose was right about one of them--this team has lost all confidence.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 11:20 p.m.

    At this point, it seems certain that if the Cougs finish above .500, Dave Rose will have done his best coaching job thus far at BYU.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 11:05 p.m.

    If a basketball player wants to have a fun Mormon college experience and maybe even be the big man on campus then I completely get whey he'd go to BYU.
    If you're a shooting guard or a small forward, I totally get why you'd have fun playing in a Dave Rose coached offense.
    If you're a point guard, power forward or center with basketball aspirations beyond college ball, I question why you'd have any desire to go to BYU. This offense won't develop skills for players in these positions and certainly won't display the skills that NBA scouts want to see.
    Poor Mika ... this kid is a very good talent but most of his scoring opportunities seem to be coming on his own offensive rebounds.
    And Frank Jackson, a talented high school sophomore point guard,may want to rethink his commitment. That kid has a lot of potential and I'm sure he'll have a lot of other suitors that could help him develop an NBA game if he gives one of them the chance.

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    5 individuals, no team. They all are just trying to hit their own shot. This is not the BYU team that we used to know. I think putting Halford in for Carlino would help. We are just like the Nets; 5 people who think they are the best thing since sliced bread. I think Abouo and Hartsock would be the two perfect players for this team. They were unselfish and let Jimmer do his thing. Unfortunately, we got 5 people on the court who THINK they are Jimmer.

  • fireonthemtn Reno, NV
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    With Carlino on the bench in the second half, the frenetic, out of control tempo was kept in check for the most part. The technical on Mika at the end of the game was an indication of how undisciplined this team is. Beyond Tyler Haws, the ability to play on the offensive end in any structured set is questionable. Collinsworth is showing flashes of leadership by his example of composure and focus on the floor. Time will tell...

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    It's those PAC-12 refs, and the small gyms, and that every team only plays good against BYU, and.. and..

    Stanford and Texas are kicking themselves for losing to an 8-7 last place WCC team.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Seems like each group of Refs look to see if they can be more shocking with some of their calls than the previous group.

    Officiating aside, something really seems wrong with this team... Something much deeper than performance. Truth is that I have never seen a Coach Rose team play this poorly over so many games...

    Seems to me that we need to get Kaufusi into a tank top and shorts tomorrow as we are just too thin inside and don't have the athleticism for our Bigs to last an entire game without fouling out...

    We continue to shoot poorly from the charity stripe... 66% again... And Collinsworth and Mika chip in with their usual 50% while Bartley the 4th reaches a new low of 25%...

    And I don't understand why we don't do something differently on Defense to shut down the 3 point shooting... They almost hit better than we did from outside the arch than we did from the free throw line...

    I won't second guess the coach that I respect, but this is shaping up to be a horrible season. Time to do something about it. Even if it's drastic.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:32 p.m.

    BYU had more rebounds, fewer fouls and fewer turnovers, what they don't have is anyone that can shoot anymore. I think the opponents have all figured out how to defense the Y and looks like a long season. BUT according to the other DN article they got what they wanted more fans that the other team showed up. The way they are playing maybe it is good that only 2700 saw the game.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    If BYU hit one 3 pointer they actually might be heating up. This style of play is not the unexpected anylonger but rather their regular level of play.

    Some tough decisions need to be made to get a point guard who can play the point guard position as well as players who can play defense. Which coach, by the way, is responsible for defense. Coach Rose cant do it all.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    BigCougar,

    BYU Forwards and Centers = 13 shots
    BYU Guards = 54 shots

    Believe me now?

    Sorry but unless Rose starts implementing an actual offense instead of the run and chuck, he's going to waste some very good talent both now and in the future.

  • orem_man_am_i orem, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:22 p.m.

    I wanna new coach. Perhaps Jeff Judkins?

    This mess can be left at the coaches feet.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    BYU is killing Utah's RPI!!

  • satch Highland, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    I liked what I saw from Halford in the second half.

    Would like to see the guards play better defense. That is the most glaring problem.

    I thought Austin & Mika played with great energy and worked hard. The last two fouls on Mika were unlucky- not much there.

  • JimBob Highland, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    what makes me mad is the undisciplined play.

  • NorCalCougarFan&Alum Elk Grove, CA
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    One word describes how the Cougars are playing, "horrendous." The solution is to let the starters sit the bench and let the backups play until the former decide they want to do the job.

  • Sweater In Rafters Franklin, IN
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    Mark it down...

    I'm not going to post any negative comments this year about our old rival. It's more sad...used to be fun...now just sad.

    Good luck Cougars

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    These game is really making me mad with bad fouls calls n'stuff.