Published: Monday, Dec. 30 2013 12:05 a.m. MST
I really enjoyed this article. I expected it to be blatantly in favor of the
wealthy (i.e., the wealthy are so misunderstood; they're more than
generous, blah, blah, blah...); the kind of excuses I've heard most of my
life. I feel more generous after reading this.
I saw a study recently that examined the charitable giving of the wealthy. It
found that while the wealthy give a great deal to their alma-maters and to
cultural and arts organizations, they actually give very little to institutions
like homeless shelters, food banks, etc. When most of us think of charity
we're not thinking of Harvard Business School or the Kennedy Center for the
Performing Arts, yet that is where the charity of the rich tends to go.
I've often wondered if there is a higher incidence of sociopathy among the
successful and wealthy. Sociopaths lack empathy. Jonathon Turley wrote about it
recently iin an article, "Selfish or Sociopath Does it Make a
Difference?" In the article it states:"1) Sociopaths are
charming. #2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. #3)
Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. #4) Sociopaths
invent outrageous lies about their experiences. #5) Sociopaths seek to dominate
others and “win” at all costs. #6) Sociopaths tend to be highly
intelligent #7) Sociopaths are incapable of love #8) Sociopaths speak
poetically. #9) Sociopaths never apologize. #10) Sociopaths are delusional and
literally believe that what they say becomes truth."My spouse
has worked in the corporate world for many years with many different people. It
would be fair to say he has worked for and with people who exhibited some/many
of these traits. Church can provide opportunites for people living
in different circumstances to associate with each other. However, in places
like UT where ward boundaries encompass very small areas this may be less
common. Society has become more politically and economically segregated as
Amen and Amen.BTW -- The wealthy who came from poverty,
maintained sympathy, empathy, compassionate and were more likely to be
charitable than those who inherited everything.
More welfare, is that what the poor want from the rich? You want more welfare,
move to Greece! If you want opportunity to become wealthy by your hard work and
being rewarded for your creativity, America is your best. Having said that, the
"poor" in America are very rich by most standards of the world! So, if
you choose to sit on your backside and whine, America is the best nation on
earth in which to be poor!
It is good to have a survey that confirms exactly the teachings of scriptures on
this subject.When the Nephites first were established in America
those who became more wealthy than others believed themselves more righteous, a
doctrine roundly condemned by God through their teacher Jacob, when he
instructed them in the temple.We are taught of the wealthy: Because
they are rich they despise the poor. Exactly so.King Benjamin well
characterized the reaction of the wealthy to the importunities of the poor in
that they often say: this man has brought his poverty upon himself therefore I
will not help him. Barker 3 perfectly demonstrates this view as do many others
on these forums.The solution is to create jobs for others, if you
have the means, in these awful economic times, providing opportunities for all
to become wealthy, opportunities that are NOT always there for the taking.
Instead of this many wealthy individuals seem intent on "joining house to
house that there is no room", buying up cheap properties to flip them and
turn them into far from cheap rentals, creating rental "Pottersvilles"
throughout this and other states. Sociopaths? Maybe so.
The story is seriously lacking a discussion of cause and effect. Could it
be that those who naturally have better cognitive ability under stressful
situations end up being more wealthy because of this ability?I find it
more likely that those who have less compassion also end up more wealthy. Given
two poor people, one who spends most of their time trying to build relationships
for the purpose of financial gain would probably be more wealthy compared to one
who spent a large share of their time trying to help others in need, whether it
helped or harmed their chances of being wealthy.Also need to
remember this is a study, and very likely that some of the rich people were more
empathetic or suffered worse cognitive performance under stress when compared to
the average poor person and vice versa.
The wealthy think that anyone who is poor is poor because they are lazy. They
can't wrap their minds around the fact that two people can work equally
hard their entire lives and one can succeed and the other may not, that's a
completely foreign concept to them. Not everyone can be rich.Chance,
Luck, the particular talents you have been blessed with (A person with a talent
for business will be more successful than a person with a talent for the arts),
the situation you just happen to be born into, and sure, even divine blessings
or intervention can all have an impact on where someone ends up in life. I
don't subscribe to the Ayn Rand philosophy that it's all 100% our own
work that earns us success in this life. Sure that's a big part of it, but
there is much more to it than that. Frankly I am sick of hearing from the far
right that anyone who is poor is poor because they are lazy.
As I see it, the greatest obstacle to reducing poverty, is that for the most
part, charitable contributions to the poor only sustain them in their poverty.
Whether it's forced charity through taxation, or some form of philanthropy,
it is insufficient.When those that give understand that the solution
to poverty is to help people help themselves, and those who receive earn what
they are given, then there is a chance to reduce poverty.No one has
a right to the labors of another. Willing sacrifice by those who have, and
willingness to work by those who have not can lead to a society of equals.Humility, understanding and compassion, with a clear sense of the
objectives can make the difference. These are required of both rich and poor.
@Thid BarkerThe US has one of the lowest rates of mobility (i.e. people
shifting from the bottom 20% income bracket as a kid to the top 20% as an adult)
in the industrialized world.The best country to be poor would be one
like Germany or Sweden that has a much stronger safety net.
One size does not fit all.That said, too many rich people worry
about their investments, the stock market, the effect of daily government
actions, etc. They worry about their MONEY more than they worry about others or
their opportunity to help the less fortunate.Conversely, poor people
tend to whine and complain that they need more and want it handed out to them
routinely without any effort on their part.The resistance expressed
to living a united order type of situation always revolves around person's
fear of "I don't want to be poor." When properly implemented, the
society gradually becomes rich "and there was no poor among them." What gets us in trouble in when we determine we don't have as much
as someone else (greed, envy and jealousy) instead of if we have enough for our
needs. Just because the neighbor has a boat, an SUV, skidoos and snowmobiles
doesn't mean we necessarily need them. The same is true of the size of our
house, the big screen TV, where we buy clothes, jewelry, exotic vacations, etc.
Gratitude for one's blessings is missing from such an equation.Neither group is particularly happy.
I'm reminded of the sinking of the Titanic.In the ideal world,
those who make it safely into the life-boats, turn and immediately start
helping others into the safety of the life-boat too.In the Telestial
world in which we now live, The rich have made it into the safety of the
life-boats, and then charge rent or a life-time of indebted servatude for
other to have the luck or good pleasure to merely hold onto the side of
"THEIR" life-boat to survive.God has gave us the lifeboats,
There is room enough and to spare - as he promised -, it is the
greed of the 1% that is stiffling the 99% of the rest of us.
The best choices you can make NOT to be poor.#1: Get married and
stay married, and don't have children out of wedlock. The largest
demographic of people living in poverty in America are single mothers. Live the
law of chastity.#2: Obtain some marketable jobs skills. The higher
paying vocations are technical jobs, not fast food service. Get all the
education and improve your marketable jobs skills all you can whenever you
can.#3: Stay off drugs and alcohol. Live the word of wisdom!#4: Get a job and keep it. Contribute to your employer's
productivity and you will become valuable to him/her and will be paid in direct
proportion to your contributions.#5: Pay an honest tithing to your
church. #6: Stay out of debt. People who don't understand
interest, pays it! Those who do, earns it!
Just ask Sen. Osmond. His new education bills provides an excellent into how
the rich view the poor.
I know many rich, who at a personal level, are very compassionate and charitable
people. But there in lies the problem in that we don't treat the problems
at individual levels. It is one things to say we cant afford to endless
support over 1 million people disenfranchised from the work force. On the
other hand, if you look at these same million but at a one on one level,
sentiments change dramatically.Again, anytime you tribe to clump
people together into nice little neat piles, you have a distorted view of the
world. Whether it be poor and rich, republican or democrat, liberal or
conservative, or even christian and non christian - these types of discussions
don't paint accurate pictures.Thats just my opinion... I could
Some very compelling and insightful quotes from the BOM on how to live in a
social community of human love equal respect and care. How is it that none of
this is exhibited in the hearts or politics of Utah, the center of Mormonism.
There must be more to it than that the poor have poor ways and the rich are
greedy self-righteous sociopaths.
Re: "The discussion over rising inequality in the U.S. has captured
headlines . . . ."Not because it's true, mind you.There has never before been a time in world history in which the poor and rich
of a nation are as indistinguishable as are American rich and poor.By every important measure, rich and poor Americans are the same. The
difference between rich and poor Americans are who don't have access to
decent housing, hot/cold running water, indoor plumbing, light, heat, and air
conditioning is statistically insignificant.Rich and poor are just
as likely to have access to health care, schooling, transportation, vacations,
leisure activities, and sporting events.Rich and poor are equally
likely to have sufficient, good quality clothing and food, starvation being
limited to those cases in which a person refuses food, or a crime being
committed against him/her.The fact is -- rich and poor from
America's past would likely have a hard time identifying ANY modern
American poor, and would call us ALL rich.Blather about a
"rising inequality" is nothing more than a leftist scam to
disingenuously spread hate and discontent.
If you think you're "poor", there will be not enough money in the
world to change that until you can change that mentality yourself. The victim
mentality will never get you anywhere in life.@LDS Liberal
"I'm reminded of the sinking of the Titanic."In the ideal
world,those who make it safely into the life-boats, turn and immediately start
helping others into the safety of the life-boat too."A terrible
example -helping someone into the lifeboat is a one time effort. If the guy you
helped decides to jump into the water, would you help him again? Helping the
poor is an ongoing effort because unless the person who receive the help make
good use of your effort, you're not motivated to do it again and again and
again and again indefinitely
faniwj, UTOK - You don't like the Titanic metaphor.Then, How about "King of the Hill"?After
scratching and clawing your way to the Top, You defend your position by
pushing, shoving, kicking anyone else trying to reach the top also.And like money, No matter how much you have, it's never going to be
enough.God gave us enough, (and to spare), and just like we do
with our own children, it's a test is to see if we are will and able
to figure out how to get along and to share.
procura, only in your fantasy world is this line true: "There has never
before been a time in world history in which the poor and rich of a nation are
as indistinguishable as are American rich and poor."
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