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Published: Sunday, Dec. 29 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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KJB1
Eugene, OR

Once same-sex marriage becomes fully legal, the small minority of those who appoint themselves as the Morality Police will have less power over the rest of us. Once people see that the world won't come to an end and that your typical gay person is just an ordinary citizen trying to lead a decent life, they might start to wonder what else they were told that was wrong.

Are those the "grave detrimental results" he's referring to?

Owen
Heber City, UT

If Utah can prove same-sex marriage insidiously dangerous, ruinous or gravely detrimental over time, the state will have a case. So the case for harming anyone consists of crickets chirping.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

You kinda need a reason to ban same-sex marriage beyond "I think it's a sin and gross". The lack of finding such a reason is why the Amendment 3 defense team failed so miserably.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

People aren't born bigots. You can either teach your children that we are all God's children. Or you can teach them that they're extra special and better than others because of your beliefs.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

And what are the harms of same-sex marriage that it should not be accepted?

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

There is an insidious danger in condoning religion. One's moral compass can change over time. The progression from rejection, to tolerance, to condoning, to acceptance, to approval and finally embracing most likely will occur.

Some behaviors seem innocuous at first, but become ruinous over time. This aberration of discrimination will have grave detrimental results. To condone it means to allow it to occur.....A wise judge once said, “This is a violation of the US Constitution.”

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Since when did marriage become something detrimental to society?

Oh, I get it. It's not so much marriage as it is gay people. Gay people are detrimental to society. Gay married people.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Attitudes towards social behaviours outside the mores of society change because people realise that they've been misled and lied to about them in the past.
With a week of gay married people in our midst, I'm not seeing the kind of detrimental effects manifest that are going to win an argument to overturn the constitution.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'There is an insidious danger in condoning same-sex marriage.' - Letter

And that is…?

Because we have examples of what happens after gay marriage is allowed in America. Would you like to see them?

*'After 5 Years of Legal Gay Marriage, Massachusetts still has the lowest state divorce rate...' - Bruce Wilson - AlterNet - 08/24/09

*'TEN YEARS later, 85 Percent of Massachusetts voters say NO HARM from Marriage Equality' – 09/27/13

'Massachusetts now has the lowest divorce rate in the nation…'

Those who oppose marriage equality have again and again failed to present any real-world consequences to gay marriage. Citing 'it's gonna be bad!' as a reason to deny LGBT Americans the 1,100 rights and legal protections given with marriage.

Let me be clear:

No Harm?

No foul.

Do not fabricate reasons and try to present them as fact.

The rest of the world knows what a lie is.

And Jesus had a few choice words about those who bear 'false witness'.

Sal
Provo, UT

From God's viewpoint it's a dangerous lifestyle. When a majority upholds same-sex lifestyles through legislation His Spirit begins to withdraw from the nation. The negative spirit begins to take hold. Natural catastrophes, plagues, crop failures can be counted on in an effort to get people to repent. Hopefully, there are enough people left who not only believe in God but believe him when he says, "Thou shalt not" to prevent the loss of His Spirit over the nation.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Multiplicity only happens in movies. In the real world there is "right" and there is "wrong". Once upon a time, the Deseret News stood for "right", but now they worry about being "politically correct". They worry about what people will think if they choose to follow the owner of this newspaper. They would rather be popular than to do the right thing.

As children, we played in a make-believe world where we became characters who fascinated us. Today, there are still people who are past that childhood state who tell us that they want to be a man or a woman because that is what they "feel" like being. How very nice. Their unreal world is real only to themselves, but they claim that the 14th Amendment protects their fantasy world and that they have the "right" to force the rest of us to join in and become "players" in their fantasy.

God gave each of us an identity. That identity is permanent. We cannot change it by pretending that we live in a make-believe world.

God made no mistakes, but people make mistakes when they tell us that they are correct and that God is wrong.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Sal: Homosexuality is mentioned approximately six times in the Bible. Loving your neighbor, caring for the poor and less fortunate, the sin of greed - all these are mentioned multiple times. His most important laws are built around these concepts.

If God decides to send His wrath and destruction, it is more likely to be over something He cared enough to mention frequently and use as a foundation for His laws, than something mentioned a mere six times.

After all, inspite of modern misrepresentations, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were greed, selfishness, and a lack of caring for the poor and the stranger.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Sal and Mike prove that there is in reality no line between Church and State in their Utah. How people could hold that view today is a tribute to the social/political atmosphere here. One party rule and and a feeling of insularity from the rest of the world contributes to that belief. Sal even brings back early Puritan pastor Jonathan Edwards sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" in his world view. Step over the line and get ready to dodge lightning bolts? You both are "free" to believe anything and everything you choose, you just don't get to use the State to impose those views on the rest of us.

Sal
Provo, UT

Kalindra, God speaks through modern prophets today. He has spoken more than six times as to the sin of homosexuality. God stated in the Bible that he would do nothing except through his prophets (Amos 3:7). You can know, too, if God has living prophets on the earth today by asking Him and being willing to live His commandments. Millions of us have done this and know that God still speaks to mankind today through His prophets.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Sal: Those are your religious beliefs - and you are welcome to have them. But my religious beliefs are different than yours, as are those of the majority of Americans.

And you can't seriously tell me the primary focus of your religion is anti-homosexuality to the exclusion of God's other Commandments.

Again, if God decides to bring down His wrath - it will be for neglecting His key principles, which includes having an unhealthy focus on limiting other's rights to believe as they choose.

Sal
Provo, UT

Kalindra,
So majority rules in your belief system unless one judge decides otherwise? I believe all of God's commandments. I show kindness towards gays in voting for civil unions. How does your side show kindness towards the millions with deeply held religious beliefs concerning traditional marriage?

Grover,
Your disgust for the citizens of Utah leaves me marveling at how you could fail to note how well run the state is: economically sound, low crime rate, well-educated youths

We are not so insular as you think. Millions and millions of good Christians world-wide believe in traditional marriage as the safest, healthiest standard for youth to follow.

Miss Piggie
Phoenix, AZ

"And what are the harms of same-sex marriage that it should not be accepted?"

The only harm in same-sex marriage is... the eventual demise of all marriages.

If same-sex marriage is allowed all other combinations of marriage must soon follow... such as polygamy polygamy, incestuous relations, siblings, father/daughter, mother/son, etc. These can all be loving relationships not unlike homosexuality. At which time marriage will lose its purpose and meaning.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Sal
" Natural catastrophes, plagues, crop failures can be counted on in an effort to get people to repent."

Weather doesn't work like that. Unless you think tornadoes are some sort of sign of approval since they strike most frequently in the Bible belt.

"God speaks through modern prophets today."

You believe that, but I don't.

"I show kindness towards gays in voting for civil unions."

If you did you'd oppose Amendment 3 since that banned civil unions.

@Mike Richards
"As children, we played in a make-believe world where we became characters who fascinated us."

Some still do. The John Galt fans are probably the worst...

MercyNLovelie
USA, CA

"And what are the harms of same-sex marriage that it should not be accepted?"

Denying the significance of mothers and fathers - the fact that both are needed and contribute in different ways - thus weakening the rights of parents.

Teaching children to devalue gender because the absence of a father or mother is acceptable.

Having society preach that mothers and fathers are interchangeable; and that thinking otherwise is "bigoted."

Violating freedom of religion because the refusal to perform LGBT marriages is considered a "violation of civil/human rights."

Separating marriage from reproduction, thereby extending marriages between siblings and straight friends (with or without an intimate relationship) - because the redefinition is "any two people of consenting age."

Extending marriage by the same logic to any two people regardless of age (since intimacy in marriage is arbitrary).

Extending marriage by the same logic to any two people regardless of the number of partners (since consent is given by all involved).

And finally, destroying the meaning of marriage and the fact that without it, men and women have nothing left to define their symbiotic relationship as sacred instead of just functional.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Attitudes about certain social behaviors, outside the mores of a particular society, can change over time. The progression from rejection, to tolerance, to condoning, to acceptance, to approval and finally embracing most likely will occur.

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Apply what you said to Race, Religion, Age, Gender and see if your opinion still holds true.
I did, and and it does not.

Mike, Sal, Miss Piggie --
If you want to live an a Theocracy run by Biblical Laws -- go live in Iran.

This is America, and will always defend it.

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