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Published: Sunday, Dec. 29 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Conservatives have always worked to protect freedoms and demand government fiscal responsibility. At the same time liberals are demonstrating their total incompetence (Obamacare), corruption (pick a scandal) and fiscal ignorance (exploding national debt). Its better to stand up for correct principles of governance, accountability and responsibility than remain silent, even if you must stand alone! Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and a few others, are right and they are true patriots!

one old man
Ogden, UT

I once was able to respect Mr. Will, but lately he has been slipping farther and farther to the extreme right. So far, in fact, that he appears to have lost touch with reality.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

At least some conservatives tried to stop the oft called trainwreck of Obamacare. The rest of the good old boys and the Libs chose to stay the course of same old same old.The good old boys ie McCain, Hatch et al just go along to get along.

TeaPublican
Houston, TX

What! We Republican Conservatives were responsible for the sequestration! These fair and balanced spending cuts affected all programs across the board! We stood up to obamacare and did everything we could to stop people from getting insurance! We were the ones against pre-existing conditions, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, money for road and bridges, pre-school and day care facilities, student loans, minimum wage increases, women rights, and against gays destroying America and our Chruches! We Republicans are the ones that said “NO” to every single thing that guy obama wanted to do since he took office. Why I could go on and on and about all the things we Republicans are doing to stand up for you people in order to take back our America. What more do you want us to do for you? Well, if we TeaPublicans want to take back America in 2014 and 2016, we just better be willing to work a lot harder in converting a lot of you non-believers. It’s all about taking back our America! Palin/Bachmann 2016…it’s going to happen!

care4usa
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It is not Mr. Will who has moved to the right, it is the constant overreach of the left that make it seem that way.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The concept of government fiscal responsibility is like a bible passage; vague enough to apply as needed. Spending two million on out of state lawyers to fight a lost cause is, we've been told, fiscal responsibility.
I think, though, that Will's main message in the article is not that conservatives have wasted money in governance, which they have, but in trying to get their message across. To me, this is because, in the era of tea party, the message itself is flawed. It's angry, divisive and void of good ideas. Any money spent on this message is wasted.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Conservatives have always tried to claim that they worked to protect freedoms and demand government fiscal responsibility. At the same time these conservatives are demonstrating their total incompetence (the government shutdown), corruption (Swallow and Shurtleff and uncontrolled lobbying) and fiscal ignorance (exploding national debt as a result of two unfunded wars, unfunded Medicare Part D, and countless subsidies to huge corporations and tax breaks for the most wealthy among us). It's better to stand up for correct principles of governance, accountability and responsibility than remain silent, even if you must stand alone! That is why we must recognize the terrible harm that is being done by the likes of Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and a few others, as they abuse and confuse the Constitution of our land!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Where were conservatives when Bush sent us to not one but two Unfunded wars? When he created TSA? The Patriot Act? Turned Clinton's surplus into billions of debt? Did nothing to fix healthcare? And handed billions to banks?

I just wish for some consistency, that's all.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Conservatives have always worked to protect freedoms and demand government fiscal responsibility.'

And yet…

George W. Bush doubled the national debt.

And Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt.

HIstory, disproves the claim that Conservatives are about 'fiscal responsibility'.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Conservatives have wasted time and money without effect’ - Title

Allow me to support this claim.

Time and money:
*'Mormon Church agrees to pay small fine for mistake that led to late report of contributions in Prop. 8 campaign' - By Scott Taylor - By DSnews – 06/09/10

Effect:
*’Prop 8 declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL by 9th circuit court’ – by Michael De Groote – Deseret News – 02/07/12

‘"Proposition 8 served no purpose, and had no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California," the Ninth Circuit said in its ruling on appeal in the case of Perry v. Brown.'

Do we see things changing…?

*'Price tag for defending Amendment 3 to reach $2 million' – By Lisa Riley Roche – Deseret News – 12/27/13

I do not.

Kevin J. Kirkham
Salt Lake City, UT

When i read the title of the article, i thought that it was about Amendment 3. The DN headline writers might want to save that title and use it again if/when Amendment 3 has its day in court.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

one old man

How disengenuous can you be? You do a laundry list of corruption blamed on Republicans.

You must have forgot Matheson selling his vote for his brothers judgeship. And of course you
forget Obamas laundry list of blatant lies.Oh thats right you libs call it misspoke.

Pagan

You are a broken record. How many times have you repeated Bush doubled the debt. Lets hear you tell what your hero Obama has done to the debt. Say it once, but you libs can repeat over and over Bush did this, Bush did that. Pal that was then and that aint now. Now is what we are worried about and you and you fellow libs have through your votes brought socialsm/communism down around our ears.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

The last time our federal government had a balanced budget and ran a fiscal surplus was when Newt Gengirch ran a conservative congress and Bill Clinton (when he wasn't busy with Monica) signed the budget into law. Since liberals took over, debt has piled and taxes have increased both in record amounts and in record time! So much for liberals being fiscally responsible!

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

"Now they know that a quicker, surer method is to have progressives wield power for a few years."

Conservatives do indeed find themselves in a better position to convince people to vote Republican when the Democrats are in power. When the Republicans have been in power, they have found it very hard to convince anyone that they know anything about wise governing. All we have to do is remember the Cheney-Bush administration. This administration was so disastrous that all Republican candidates in 2008 felt compelled to run against Cheney-Bush. Obama didn't need to run against anyone. Cheney-Bush had done so much damage that no Republican candidate could escape the vacuum they left behind.

In 2016, it will be enlightening to see if the Republicans actually have any ideas. For the past five years, their only idea has been to fight Obama. When Obama is finally gone, they will have to convince us that they have a clue about what this country needs. So far, I'm seeing no evidence that they're up to the task.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

@ Kent. According to several polls, Obama's record low approval numbers prove that the vast majority of Americas see no evidence that Obama is up to the task and has no clue about what this country needs! All he has done to raise taxes and spend money we don't have, lie about his healthcare mess, embarrass our allies and deny accountability for his failures. And of course blame the GOP!

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Thid Barker – “The last time our federal government had a balanced budget and ran a fiscal surplus was when Newt Gengirch ran a conservative congress and Bill Clinton (when he wasn't busy with Monica) signed the budget into law. Since liberals took over, debt has piled and taxes have increased both in record amounts and in record time!”

You got the 1st half of the history right but botched the 2nd half.

Once Bush was elected (and the conservatives maintained their majorities in both house of congress for the next six years), he/they quickly turned our budget surplus into a huge deficit.

That these same conservatives have thwarted any effort by Obama to reverse this course (of the lowest tax rates in decades) only guarantees the debt keeps growing. Combine that with the worst economic downturn since the 1930’s and our debt continues to skyrocket.

Sorry, tell us again what conservatives are doing to bring down the debt? I’ve seen no sign of it since the days they were compromisers with a Democrat president.

Jack
Aurora, CO

I vowed that the next time I saw someone complain about President Reagan increasing the debt, I would comment. Yes, he did. He increased the deficit to rebuild our National Defense which had been dismantled by Mr Carter to the point that the US was a third rate joke that couldn't even mount a rescue mission to Iran to rescue the hostages taken because Iran knew we couldn't/wouldn't respond. He built up our power so that we could stare down the Soviets and ultimately make them blink. The threat of nuclear destruction which haunted that generation was so palpable as to remove hope. He did what any self-respecting leader of this nation is supposed to do, protect this country and its interests. He forged alliances and brought pride back to our citizens. His policies increased the revenue to the Treasury, not by raising taxes, but by lowering them. So, did he raise the deficit? Yes. Was it worth it, Yes. Our current President has raised it exponentially, and not for anything but handouts/bailouts/crony capitalism. There eren't enough words allowed here to expound further.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Mohokat -- How disengenuous can you be? You do a laundry list of corruption blamed on Democrats.

You must have forgot Swallow buying his votes to become Attorney General and the role Shurtleff played in getting John elected. You forgot the laundry list of blatant lies told by President Cheney and his little buddy as they led us into a disastrous and unfunded war in Iraq. And you forgot the other lies from people like Sarah Palin, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, that governor from Texas (let's see what's his name?) The list of Republican corruption is much longer and far more odious than anything you can show me from the Obama administration.

Oh thats right you conservatives call it misspoke. But who misspoke. Was it Rush or Sean or Glen?

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