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Published: Friday, Dec. 27 2013 7:40 p.m. MST

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Mr. Bean
Phoenix, AZ

"Marriage has been determined to be a right by the US Supreme Court (Loving v. Virginia and many other cases). Rights apply to EVERYBODY."

Marriage is a right that applies to everybody?? Does that mean polygamists can marry? Does that mean siblings can marry? If not, then marriage is not a right... but is to be managed by state law. State law, not federal law.

Many cite the 14th Amendment to show that the US Constitution requires equal protection under Federal law, thus gays can marry. But the 14th Amendment clearly shows that equal protection applies to state law. And the repeal of the Federal DOMA law confirms that.

Do we have equal protection regarding marriage? No. There are certain classes of US citizens that can't marry (see above)... including men marrying men, women marrying women, polygamists, pedophiles, juveniles, siblings, and many other combinations. It's the states' responsibility and the citizens within each state to make that call. Not the federal government, and not the courts.

If the federal government or courts can make the call, they have to allow all combinations of marriage.

salt lake city, UT

Utah, this is a losing battle:

The Constitution explicitly states that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.".

The people do not have the power to turn their "wishes" into laws if those wishes would deny any person equal protection or due process (14th Amendment). Take some time and read the court's ruling: there are limits on the people's sovereignty, and these are laid out in the Constitution. The explicit role of the Judiciary is to interpret these limits.

Also: congrats to all the newlyweds and soon-to-be weds!


College Sports Fan says,
Children deserve a father and a mother, and research overwhelmingly supports how this benefits our society.

Please name one child with a father and a mother who will cease to have one because of marriage equality.

Phoenix, AZ

"Paul is the ONLY person in the NT who spoke against homosexual behavior. It is never mentioned anywhere in the Gospels."

Paul was an Apostle, just as the men who wrote the Gospels.

"There are many studies which demonstrate several different harms conveyed by polygamy."

There are also known damages in heterosexual marriages (domestic violence). Are you advocating that heterosexuals not marry?

And still further, the Holy Writ says: "In that day (last) seven women will take hold of one man and say, we will eat our own food and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name." Isaiah 4:1

"There are plenty of examples of nonhuman same-sex couples 'marrying' (pair bonding and raising offspring) out in nature. It is, indeed, natural."

They don't 'marry' for life... They're more promiscuous, engaging with multiple partners. Alot like some unnamed groups conduct their affairs.

"Additionally, same-sex marriages are known from the very dawn of written human history."

That's likely why Sodom and Gomorrah fell... and Rome as well.

Salt Lake City, UT

'Marriage is a right that applies to everybody?? Does that mean polygamists can marry?'

And yet who are the ones fighting for monogamy…

and who are the ones fighting for polygamy?

It will never cease to amaze me that LGBT are the ones fighting for life-long monogamy to one person…

and those against citing 'traditional' marriage fail to acknowledge that marriage in Utah involved more than two people.

Mike in Texas
Cedar City, Utah

How about wse use that money to help fund Medicaid once the 3 year Federal funding drops to 90%?

Salt Lake, UT

@Meckofahess of Salt Lake City, UT"

You comment Bravo, Bravo. Bravo to who? You say that the gay community is intolerant to the view of others when it comes to the traditional family values.

How about you are your comment are being intolerant to people who are simply seeking equal rights.

If you want to live in a theocratic country, then fine. Go find a place where you can do that. America was built on ALL MEN BEING CREATED EQUAL. That means traditional and non-traditional families. That means STRAIGHT and GAY people!

The first person who begins to spout off that our country was founded by Christians, stop cause you are incorrect. You are not a founding father and you were not alive when they were. So you don't have a clue!

So Bravo to you Meckofahess for not knowing how our country or our constitution works to protect all people. Bravo to you for your poor education.

Pertti Felin
Espoo, Finland

Since I do not live in the USA and do not understand your system, a question: Why does a state hire outside lawyers to handle their case. What is wrong with the Attorney General and his office and people handling it. Don't they know how?

Freeland, WA

Didn't the people of Utah learn anything from the Presidential election?? Mitt Romney tried to buy his way into the White House and he lost. Do they really think that money will get them what they want? I think it's sad. That money could go to better use. Like education, helping the environment, things like that. Gay marriage is here to stay and it's in Utah and it's going to stay in Utah and soon every state in our great country where we have the right to marry who we love.

Sacramento, CA

Question--is Utah a democratic republic, like the rest of the country, or a theocracy? Just wondering....

Mom of Six
Northern Utah, UT

When did a social experiment suddenly become a right? Should we give everyone rights that tie up the courts long enough? Should we give anyone and everyone rights as long as two consenting adults are involved? There are limits on what should be allowed by law to be legal. Personally, I am for traditional marriage, but I also see the need for civil unions within the gay community. This would be legally fair to allow for wills, hospital visits etc. However, many in this community will not stop until they see so called "equality". Many in this community would also like to force gay marriage as a so called right making it "equal" to traditional marriage. Although they may get their way on paper, you can not call an apple an orange and have it be so.

Mom of Six
Northern Utah, UT

Pagan likes to cite studies done in favor of gay parents, but there are also studies out there that say just the opposite. Studies tend to be just as skewed as politics at times depending on who conducts the study.

Sacramento, CA

For what it's worth, those were human beings in that picture getting married, not statutes or laws, or bills, or ideas, or even doctrines. They were flesh-and-blood people. As this subject is being discussed, why not begin with the fact of the humanity of those about whom the discussion is focused being the foundation of the discussion? If we do that, I am sure there will be more in common with the GLBT community and the straight community than many think--if given the chance to see one another as people instead of political or religious items in an ideological marketplace. I challenge you who are brave enough...look at that photograph, open your heart instead of your prejudices, try to see the human feelings there. And to the LDS--remember, God gave agency, do you have the right to decide who gets to keep it?

Charlotte, NC

The only conclusion, after reading most of the comments, is that Religion is a brain-eater.
Cheers Utah!!!!

Temple City, CA

I think Utah's defense of traditional marriage has a distinct advantage over California's. In Utah, the governor and attorney general are both supportive of the defense of Amendment 3. In California, both refused to defend Prop 8.

There is no reasonable excuse to avoid defending Amendment 3. $2M is a negligible amount for such a momentous principle. There is no reason to believe that the Supreme Court will automatically rule against states' rights or traditional marriage (California lost on a procedural issue, not the real issue).

The money could easily be raised--even without tapping into the tax base--and, contrary to what some have written, whether or not Utah ultimately wins, defending traditional marriage will put them on the RIGHT side of history.

If Utah needs financial help to defend true marriage, I would be proud to give it.

Medical Lake, Washington

Over the years there have been lots of 'lost causes' and impossible battle fronts - including our war for independence. Current trends would urge us all to just roll over and play dead, as long as we get to continue to have cable TV, i-pads and cell phones. Sometimes it is worth standing up and fighting for a principal, in this case, time proven family values.

And yes, we'll get those who stand up and quote how research indicates that there is no substantial difference for kids being raised in traditional homes vs same-sex parent homes. I will cling on to such research just as soon as it has been demonstrated conclusively over thousands of years and with a larger sampling.

get her done
Bountiful, UT

My 14 year old daughter told me at 14 years old, she was gay. I have 14 kids and she is the only one. Mom, returned missionary attempted to kill herself. Our lives have changed and we had to relearn how to raise children. She hopes to get married in Utah, her home when the time is right. Hate is easy, love is hard. The gospel requires hard things. Do I learn to hate this beautiful daughter, or kindly learn and accept. She has said to when in the past, "Dad there is no place for me in the mormon church" What could I say??

Salt Lake City, UT

Utah is under the delusion that if you throw enough money at it, it will work out in your favor. I'm sure the Old South felt it was a fair use of their tax money to defend slavery as right, and moral too. What a waste of time and money!

Liberty For All
Cedar, UT

The helpless little children who have no say in this debate should matter. Marriage is more than adult selfish desires. Don't the children have a right to a mom and a dad? The lord is very clear on this, Utah will spend whatever it takes, and $2million is only the initial part of an open contract to fund the legal kitty.

Vince here
San Diego, CA

Keep Calm and Marry On, Utah!

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