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Published: Friday, Dec. 27 2013 7:40 p.m. MST

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rondonaghe
Mesilla/USA, NM

Those of us looking in from outside Utah recognize this strategy of bringing in outside help to keep LGBT people from gaining equal marriage rights. It was Utah and her Mormons who went outside their state to help fund the campaign for Prop 8 in California. So...sure...Utah sees nothing wrong with bringing outsiders into its own state to help against equality for LGBTs in Utah. Same strategy. Money is no object. After all, it's important to oppress minorities.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I am tired of the Deseret News giving the proponents of redefining marriage a victory by allowing them to use their biased and hate inspiring rhetoric in defining their cause. There is a reason why the shooting most associated with this case is of people at the Family Research Council. The rhetoric of those in favor of redefining marriage is the type of rhetoric that does not recognize that opponants have valid arguments or valid thoughts, and leads to violence and death.

Those of us who support man/woman marriage recognize its continuance is centered on its definition as an institution primarily focused on making as much child rearing as possible done by committed biological parents, and to do this it needs a form that can create children, not cases on the ground, but a form that looks to that. We understand that if you redefine marriages purposes its scope will change. Those who advocate its redefinition seem to blindly call us bigots instead of focusing on what we actually think. It continues to be frustrating.

trekker
Salt Lake, UT

Religiously I do not agree with homosexuality. As an American I do not see how this will be overturned legally therefore I would have to say this is a waste of tax payers money. We all saw prop 8 get overturned in California. There is enough cases of other states and gay marriage that the courts views has been set. The only thing this lawsuit will do is take it to the supreme court, once that happens and they rule in favor of gays. The remaining states that oppose it will be forced to make it legal, thus speeding up the gay agenda.

T. Publius
Kissimmee, FL

Whose "equality"? That's the cost of maintaining the 10th Amendment, required now I guess, against a usurpation of the federal court!

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

This is a wise move. To defend the state constitution on special issues, the state needs people specialized in that specific issue. Reyes is not an expert on marriage and family law, and bringing in outside counsel to help is a wise decision.

isrred
South Jordan, UT

"It's nice to see that you agree that polygamists can marry, that a fifty year old father can marry his 12 year old daughter, that siblings can marry, and many, many other combinations of human relationships can marry."
I love that these straw man and slippery slope arguments keep getting brought up. Newsflash: all of those things listed already fit your own "one man, one woman" definition of marriage. They are closer to what you advocate than they are to same-sex marriage.

Beverly
Eden, UT

Please don't waste my tax dollars on this nonsense. I own my home in Eden, Utah, I'm a life long Republican, I work and live in Weber County, and I don't want my tax dollars wasted on a hurtful, and bigoted lawsuit. Please spend the millions, this lost cause will cost, on Education.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

This forum is a magnet for every GLBT activist in the country it seems. Like a union rally in front of the capital building, they gather here; shout their cause; and try to give the impression that everyone else thinks just like they do and that if you disagree with their cause, then you must be stupid, bigoted, or a Neanderthal.

Meanwhile, the majority of the citizens who disagree with them spend their time with their families, their jobs, and go about their daily lives. I think the number of people who think homosexual behavior is wrong and don't think we should rewrite all the marriage laws to suit their "preferences" is still greater than the GLBT crowd. The majority in this case is just not as vocal as the minority.

Really???
Kearns, UT

This is not a states rights issue but a human rights issue. It would be easier for the state to pass a law that banned marriage for everyone than to protect a law that bans marriage for just same-sex couples. You see, it's all about whether the it's a law enacted for all or just a segment of the population. If the law only applies to a segment of the population, then it will most likely be determined to be unconstitutional.

Go ahead and tell your neighbors, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and cousins that you really don't believe they don't deserve the same rights you already have?

I think the swiftness of the judgments and denials of stays so far should be enough to show everyone how this case is going to end. Let's stop wasting the money now.

Visitor from California
Berkeley, CA

Perhaps a case of poetic justice if Utah wastes more millions in a futile attempt to hold off the inevitable after messing around with the rights of Californians (and participating in efforts that blatantly appealed to prejudice) during the Prop. 8 campaign. Though I hope more and more Utahns will choose to celebrate rather than lament the clear joy on the faces of the newly married couples throughout your beautiful state, as well as the joy on the faces of their children, friends, and loved ones. Equality is a good thing!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'I think once Utah realizes that the Proclamation to The Family in jeopardy, taxpayers will contribute the same amount of money ($20 million) that we did in California to defend the family.'

And how did that go….?

*’Prop 8 declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL by 9th circuit court’ – by Michael De Groote – Deseret News – 02/07/12

With the advance of SSM in Utah, many of my LDS friends (Yes, I have many) are asking themselves….

'what could all that money have done?'

Well? How many hungry could $20 million have fed?

But no. Let's 'worry about the gay's.'

This shows a fundamental shift. That many are willing to literally sacrifice the poor and needy…

over a political agenda.

Marriage equality presents no harm to society. I have already cited the American Academy of Pediatrics report of the 'harm' of SSM marriage.

Which, FYI, was none. Zero Zilch. Nadda. Goose egg.

So until those against marriage equality can show any actual harm? They will continue to loose in court. Only being able to cite their beliefs…

as reasons to factually oppress, others.

Gandalf
Salt Lake City, UT

A Quaker nails it. Fighting this is a waste of time. Just because it, arguably, reflects some aspect of Utah's morals, history, or traditions doesn't mean we have any good arguments that will stand up against a Constitutional challenge. We should fold up our tents, go home, and be happy that several thousand people have joined the ranks of the married.

Oh, and if you don't know any gay or lesbian folks, find some and get to know them. You'll discover they are normal human beings. If you can't shut out of your mind the things they may do behind closed doors, that's your problem, not theirs.

John T
Scranton, PA

I may not be from Utah, but there's no doubt that this case will have national repercussions to be felt for decades. The growing influence of extremely liberal, agenda-driven activist judges who consistently strike down laws which are clearly the wishes of a great majority of the people, must be halted. Otherwise, we may as well not bother voting in the future.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@JoeCapitalist2
"I think the number of people who think homosexual behavior is wrong and don't think we should rewrite all the marriage laws to suit their "preferences" is still greater than the GLBT crowd. "

In Utah yes, nationally no. Polls show pretty clear 52-45 type margins for same-sex marriage for the latter.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Nan nook of the north: Your claim not only is silly, but does't is utterly lacking in Constitutional law or reason. according to your hero's definition, Anyone could claim a "right" and think it is validated just because they think it. Let's see, I guess we will have re-evaluate polygamy, prostitution, incest, and a host of other ills because I can find someone that supports them and wishes they were rights too. if the states invalidate it, our Constitution says they have the right. if it happens to be wrong, that is the great thing about a diverse, pluralistic society, isn't it? or does your diverse society only work one way?

bandersen
Saint George, UT

pagan: your missing one fairly sizeable study that was written thousands of years ago. It was called the Ten Commandments! your man driven studies will hardly make a dent in His understanding of human nature. I feel most pity for the women who are left without partners because a certain group of males refused to live up to what it means to be son of God. sad, indeed!

Mayfair
City, Ut

@Eye Guy

We ALREADY had a vote--67%--and we know how that went.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

This is the wrong battle. I would spend money on this lawyer to fight the ruling that NSA spying is justified and the fact that we literally have no 4th amendment anymore thanks to the NSA spying, NDAA and the patriot act. If you they really want to damage the supreme court and get people impeached, they should be fighting that instead.

Stephen in Ogden
Ogden, UT

Historically, Utah has been in the middle of the fight on many U S social changing issues. Utah was the first state to grant women a vote. Utah was the state that finalized and caused the ratification of the 18th amendment, outlawing liquor, Utah was the state that finally ratified the 20th amendment bringing back the right to sell liquor. Utah was the state that ratified, and then took back its ratification, ending the Equal Rights Amendment.

This article is not gung ho and we must prevail. No, what I read is a since that, once again, Utah has been thrust into the middle of this national battle. There is a sense of history again. I believe that Utah may be the state that turns this debate into national action. The Utah case could be the case that makes gay marriage legal or illegal in all 50 states.

Mayfair
City, Ut

toshi1066 said: "Because worrying about what people do in their bedrooms is much more important than educating children."

Personally, I'm worried that some people want to educate my children that what goes on in same-sex bedrooms is, and I quote, "normal and natural".

That is ultimately what is at stake here.

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