Duckhunter,Nice to know you have a life off the boards as do most of
the rest of us. I agree with your comments about the lack of preparation. I
wasn't aware of that until you mentioned it, but I can't imagine not
taking advantage of every second of practice time allowed.
This was a tough game for the Cougars. They had the talent and ability to beat
Washington butdidn't get the job done. They controlled the run used
the clock but fell flat on their faceon two kickoff returns.BYU fans
deserve a better performance than this. Something is missing thatcould
make BYU magical and heart stopping.
@nevadacoug the only reason you had more total yards than Washington is because
byu started on their side of the field than Washington. Of course you are going
to have more yards.
JarkarusAt least Utah fans don't have to play connect the dots,
your cougs lost to Utah for the fourth straight season. Spin that, and have a
Happy New Year in the process!
Kaufusi is a dirty player in both basketball and football. Sad, but true. As far
as losing to U Dub goes, no shame in that. A program and team on the rise. They
actually came out smelling like a rose in the coaching change.
@bungalowSeem to recall all you Ute fans pronouncing a Rose Bowl
appearance after beating Stanford(completely a fluke btw) at least byu made it
to a bowl game. Where were the Utes bowling again? Oh and ASU one of your top
Pac dawgs got hammered by a 7-5 team with a freshman QB LOL.
@bungalowYou might have had a couple of good points there except
that you committed a lie of ommission, on purpose I might add.The
"5 reasons BYU will beat Wisconsin" article was accompanied by a "5
reasons wisconsin will beat BYU" article. Both articles listed the strengths
of the respective teams and gave the reasons why each team "should" win
the game. So major fail on your part for complete dishonesty. And
yes BYU could have "realistically beaten a team like washington" which
is a good team but not a great one and went into the game with some real issues,
like an interem coach. Bronco's ridiculous decision to not practice and
behave as if it was just another game lead to an unprepared and lethargic team.
Now I am not claiming BYU would have definately beaten washington but
considering they had far more yards, first downs, etc it is easy to see they
could have won that game if maybe they'd just spent a little bit of time
practicing and working on execution in the red zone. That is on Bronco, not on
the talent of the players.
I've said it before and I will never stop saying it, Until Bronco is fired
byu will never ever be a team to fear or be reckoned with. He is not a head
coach and will never take byu to the next level like he's been saying ever
since he got there. One of the worst coaching hires since Crowton. I wasn't
surprised to see Byu lost and to hear they were inept in the "blue"
zone. Next year won't be any different. But I don't care too much
since my Noles still have a shot to hoist the Crystal Ball!
Draper Ute fan could not be more right. Well said buddyGo Utes
@Poyman, throwing winning percentages around as a measure of how BYU would do
against the PAC 12 only tells part of the story. Frankly, nobody really knows
how BYU would do if playing PAC 12 teams every week. You can "bet the
house" but like so many fans who make the "BYU would be so much better
in the PAC 12" it is all conjecture. KW had a winning record
against the PAC 12 before joining the league. Did you include that little stat?
Of course not, everyone on these boards uses the stats that best suits their
argument.BYU has played USC (0), Oregon (1), Stanford (0), and ASU
(0) during the Bronco era. Pound your chests if you must, but you are not making
an apples to apples comparison. If you play a really tough team about ever 2-3
weeks, you should have more success against the PAC 12 because you get weeks of
relative ease and you play the mid to lower-tiered teams PAC 12 teams. Play UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, USC, Arizona State, Oregon, and Washington State
all in consecutive weeks. The only question then would be whether your how much
lower Bronco's 47.4% winning percentage against the PAC 12 would be.
Such an interesting football year. The Ute's dont go bowling, BYU goes but
loses and USU goes and wins against a ranked team. Funny how cyclical football
PAC 12 is over rated. BYU just plain didn't play well.
@CHrollCHumI copied and pasted what a BYU fan said. I went back and
looked and my comment got thrown in the middle. I was making fun of the fan who
said that the officials were the reason for the loss. I think that is hilarious
and typical of BYU fans to blame the game on the refs. BYU can never just man
up and take their loss as they are just not good enough and were out played.
Sorry for the confusion, in no way, shape or form do I think
officials decided that game or any other game.
@azute... You said: "Also The PAC-10 died a few years ago. And
even while facing all 7 PAC-12 schools at random while spanning 3 years, byu is
still has a dismal 2-5 record..."It's actually 2-4 with a
win over OSU in the Las Vegas Bowl (they finished 4th in the pac12 that year)...
Why measure just the last 3 years though??? Why is it that you
don't want to look at Mendenhall's program over its life of 8 years
since that is really what you are critiquing?Had you included the
next 5 years, the balance of Mendenhall's coaching era, the record against
pac10 foes improves to 9-10 (a 47.4% win ratio) while Utah's record is
13-21 (a 33.3% win ratio). That's a 14% difference and even takes into
account one of the ute's glory years...I'm not a wagering
kind of guy, but if I were I would be willing to bet the house that if BYU was
in the big bad pac12 Conference over the past 3 years we would have qualified
for more than one Bowl Game and we would have a higher win% than 33%.
AZUTE:So which is it? If you played UW early and had TW he may have thrown
6 picks like he did at home against UCLA, or if you got them late without TW?
Bottom line is Washington is a good team with better athletes than either BYU or
Utah.Ekute:It's not a PAC12 thing, it's a UW thing.
The huskies own both programs right now, and I think given the utes PAC history
against them that's a hard thing to refute.And I thought the
officiating in the game was good. We had some calls go against us and some go
our way...we lost to a better team, no excuses.
@ jazzer and other BYU fans who are blaming the officiating on PAC-12 refs for
your bowl loss.They were NOT PAC-12 refs, they were Conference USA
refs. All of you blaming the refs are really sounding ridiculous. Enough of the
excuses and admit the better team won. You would sound a lot more respected if
you can give credit where credit is due.
@24flinching...The 10 years in conference was a type-o but it was
corrected in the next post... The fact remains however... BYU has 10 more pac12
wins (excluding Utah) in the Edwards, Crowton, and Mendenhall years than the
utes have and that includes the last 3 years when the utes have been in that
conference... Still a very sad commentary and should render silence from any
utes (like yourself) that want to pile on.
@jazzerHave you not been paying attention? Have you not noticed how
many people have already debunked the misinformed claim that the game was
ref'ed by a PAC crew? They were from ConferenceUSA. They were not from
the PAC. And I understand that you saw a lot of questionable calls, but
that's because of your royal tinted goggles. The rest of the country saw a
rather well-officiated game. We also saw BYU get away with some stuff. But why
would you blame your team when you can just shift the responsibility?
byu fans, stop being so hard on your coaches. Maybe UW just has bigger, faster,
stronger athletes. It's a PAC 12 thing.
Must be a Ute fan doing the censoring today.To BigJ and jazzer:Your "typical BYU fan," Cosmo's Cousin, is actually one of
several Ute fans who makes outrageous comments posing as BYU fans in attempt to
create a stereotype. Those are the facts.
I think Robert Anae needs at least another 2 years to make this work. Lets get
behind what he is trying to accomplish.
BYU is a super terrific team. I thought Sorensen had a nice game.
@mormon uteWent on a family vacation and then it was Christmas, I
have a life outside of the dnews comment section, but thanks for your concern on
my whereabouts. As for the game itself it was apparent BYU's
coaching, or lack of it, was the main culprit. How Bronco can expect his team to
be sharp and prepared when they didn't even practice for half a month is
beyond me. That might work when they are playing teams like sdsu or utep which
have inferior talent but it is a recipe for exactly what we got when playing a
team like washington. I think Bronco is a good coach but he also does some
incredibly stupid things at times.
Cougsndawgs,Your point is well taken. Neither football program has
much to crow about right now. The Utes just brought in their 5th or 6th OC in
as many years and continues to struggle against the better teams in the Pac 12.
BYU is still failing to get those big wins they need to get the national
recognition they desire. Improvement is needed by both programs.
Somewhere, Middle Tennessee is saying...we lost to these guys? MTSU takes on
Navy in the Armed Forces Bowl on Dec 30.
Cosmo's CousinHolladay, UTBYU could've won this game.
Things just didn't go our way, such as the the PAC-12 refs not calling any
holds on Washington even though they were holding ALL NIGHT LONG!In
my heart I think that BYU is the better team but once the officials and bad
calls set them back by two touchdowns, the boys got so deflated they
couldn't come back. I mean, what was the point? The officials
from the PAC-12 would just find a way to give the game back to the Huskies
anyway.Typical BYU Fan. Are you kidding me? Like you seriously
think that was acceptable to think?In the future, BYU needs to
DEMAND that no refs from the PAC-12 can officiate our games. We know from the
Utah game these officials protect their own. We need to file a complaint with
the PAC-12 and threaten a lawsuit until they agree to bring in officials from
the MWC or SEC
There's so much pressure on BYU to win other than the thrill of winning.
We feel the need to be perfect representatives of a perfect church, via BYU
sports. But when we show our selves as human and weak at times, the pressure
is even more. Our guys give their all for the most part, though it's hard
to explain poor execution and stupid penalties and questionable calls and
preparation sometimes. Other teams often have better athletes and coaches and
a bigger pool to pull from. Our guys have kids and wives and callings and
school to manage. Does that account for a season that got away from us? Can we
really expect more wins and better games with all that? No excuses,eh? I'm
always a hopeful and optimistic fan, can't wait for a new year and hew
prospects. But we've pretty much played at the same level for a lot of
years, though having some unique wins and seasons at times. So we lament and
cry for better coaching and play calling and more superior athletes. Flashes of
greatness need to turn into more consistent ones.
"BYU has 10 more wins against pac12 foes than Utah and Utah has been in the
conference for 10 years... How sad is that?"....what?
poyman/cnd cont'd--byu's has only 2 Ws vs uw recently, the
first miraculously avoiding by 1 pt being uw's sole victim during their
0-12 '09 campaign, after refs bailed them out. The 2nd was uw's 1st
game in Y2 for Sark, merely 1 YR/5 Ws removed from hitting rock bottom.This whole notion that because we lost 2 games during previous 2 years,
both of which tight 'til well into 2nd half, and w/it rotating back to
R.E.S. in '13, were we in fact actually scheduled to meet?No
game in the history of College Football has ever been hypothetically W/L. We
play these games for a reason. Kind of like how we register our annual victory
over byu in an actual game we play, yet like clock-work, byu always wins these 2
hypothetical games they remind us Utes about, the 1st played toward the tail-end
of the off-season as we approach Game 1 and 2nd preceding it at the prior
season's end when they proclaim, "If we were to play again right now,
we'd kill you!" This is due directly to byu, annually, improving like
no other team in America does.
poyman--You stated records involving PAC-10/-12 teams. It's an
entirely different animal when facing these schools at random spanning decades,
than it is facing them in a back-to-back, week-in, week-out grind of a schedule,
an entirely 100% foreign concept to byu. For instance, this year we faced
OSU/byu/UCLA [had identical bye-week we did]/Stanford/At Arizona/At USC/ASU/At
Oregon/At Wazzu. This is something the byu ad carefully avoids at all costs,
mind you.Also The PAC-10 died a few years ago. And even while
facing all 7 PAC-12 schools at random while spanning 3 years, byu is still has a
dismal 2-5 record. They beat 2 at bottom of PAC-12 standings/Were smashed by 3
above .500/Are 0-3 against The U.Regarding uw, before they caught us
during our first 2 years of transition into our new conference, w/our disastrous
QB-scenario, etc., we hadn't played since '79, 6 total meetings up
'til then.We're significantly improved from
'11-'12-'13, yet our conference is overall, as well. Both recent
games were not as the final margins would otherwise indicate. Must I break them
both down again?
Cougsndawgs--"And UW beat OSU by 42 and Arizona by18 and
Colorado by 52, and s/h won AT Stanford, losing by a FG. See I can play that
game too. Utah has not shown the ability to stay within 2 TDs of the Huskies
against WORSE UW teams than this one so pray tell why do you think they'd
do any better this year against the best UW team in nearly a decade? BYUs SOS
was higher than half the PAC12's so please stop with the major conference
bologna."You addressed, in part, my comment. I chose our two
divisional champions in illustrating, as PAC-12's top two/most
consistent/close in time when U/uw played them. The others don't
match-up.While uw had more Ws, they remained inconsist away from
Seattle, hitting Tempe wholly mentally unprepared, not unlike '12 in
tucson. Also, uw got Arizona at home early/OSU late. uw/entire conference,
excepting The U, started/finished w/identical QB. CAL, too?At
regular season's end, top 7 SOS rankings occupied by PAC-12, leaving fewer
than half at 5. These 5 ranked at #s 12/13/14/18/28, all higher than byu
Okay... We have work to do... We need more speed, better OL blocking, better
Special Team play, and more QB effectiveness with the passing game.IMHO those critics are fair game for the BYU faithful... But when ute fans
have the audacity to take shots at the program, or to encourage Coug fans to
boycott games because that will bring positive change in the future??? I have to
throw out the "Baloney flag" and label this group Hypocrites to the
9's...We lost and we should have done better, and yes, alot of
it can be blamed on coaching... But this was one game... This program has lived
in a world of success over the past 30-40 years and we have the capability of
getting back to it...The utes have 2 years of glory... that's
it... We have decades...Over the past 40 years (Lavelle, Crowton,
Mendenhall)... Against the big bad pac12 BYU is 55-48 with Utah, and 29-32
without Utah... We are 4-4 against the Huskies... The utes have never beaten
Washington and only have 19 wins total despite the fact that they have been in
the conference for 3 years.
@azute...Actually during the Edward, Crowton and Mendenhall years we
are 55-48 against the pac12 (if we include Utah)... 29-32 if we don't... In
the Las Vegas Bowl alone during the Mendenhall era the Cougs are 3-2 in the Las
Vegas Bowl alone... Beating Oregon, Arizona and Oregon State and losing to
California and Arizona...Now the utes on the other hand are 19-48
against pac12 teams during that time... BYU has 10 more wins against pac12 foes
than Utah and Utah has been in the conference for 10 years... How sad is
that?It's always good to do a little homework before we start
kicking up dirt my friend...
AZUTE:And UW beat OSU by 42 and Arizona by18 and Colorado by 52, and s/h
won AT Stanford, losing by a FG. See I can play that game too. Utah has not
shown the ability to stay within 2 TDs of the Huskies against WORSE UW teams
than this one so pray tell why do you think they'd do any better this year
against the best UW team in nearly a decade?Ekute:When is
going 5-7 a good thing (Utah) or going 8-5 with no marquee wins (BYU)? I was
calling out BOTH BYU and Utah fans because of the vitriol being displayed here
(I haven't been on ute articles for awhile). BYUs SOS was higher than half
the PAC12's so please stop with the major conference bologna. BYU played
poorly against good competition, and Utah couldn't play well unless they
were at home, losing EVERY PAC12 road game by double digits. But hey, if
you're ok with that, be my guest, but I'm fairly certain most ute fans
aren't ok with going sub .500 and bowless every year.Bottom
line: neither fanbase has anything to crow about, which was my original point.
Nobody knows what would result between Utah/uw in '13 and we'll never
know, particularly if we had a healthy TW!However, following their
loss to Stanford, we beat Stanford....UW got destroyed by ASU shortly before we
dominated ASU for 3+ Qtrs before playing not to lose and allowing them to sneak
back in and leave w/a 1 point victory....These two schools earned a spot in our
conference championship game.Wazzu was beat on a series of complete
flukes in ending their bowl game....However, they went 6-6 against what ended
the regular season as the #1 ranked SOS in the nation....Wazzu was not the same
team as last year....Furthermore, they were significantly more competitive
against uw than byu was and in a very, very hostile husky stadium, a game in
which uw led by merely 3 pts, 20-17, w/just over 2:00 remaining in the 4th
Qtr.Wazzu went down to Auburn and outplayed them and s/h won....They
did something byu has never done--Beat USC and did so in L.A. They beat ua in
tucson 1 wk prior to oregon hitting tucson....When's byu last beat Arizona
Duckhunter,Prepare for next year's bowl game? And where is
that going to be, pray tell? BYU has no bowl affiliations for 2014 and 2015.
Read that in the Deseret News.
Duckhunter,Nice to see you have recovered enough since the rivalry
basketball game to post a comment. :) My only other comment would be that
hopefully BYU fans now have a little better understanding of the type of
competition the Utes face every week in conference play. Washington isn't
even one of the top teams in the Pac 12. Just an observation.
Cougsndawgs,Why don't you tell your friends under the Utah
articles?...And can you ever critic your team and leave Utah out of it?...apples
to oranges...mid-major independent to major conference member. So your teams had
a couple of bad days and you're jumping off the band wagon. funny.
Cougsndawgs Could not agree more with what you said. It is football,
nothing more yet Utah and BYU both have turned an enjoyable game into a
sniveling my pony is better then your pony. It is football and fun
and yes it is nice to see your team win, but there will be days that they will
lose and lose badly. BYU and Utah fan do you expect your team to win every
game all the time or are you always going to be asking for the coach head after
each lost? Replacing coach each season does not work most of the time ask
Utah. Just get over it and move on to next season and enjoy the ups and
downs. Last note to BYU fan, at least with B. as coach we are not having a
repeat of the 2002-2004 years.
Cosmo's CousinHolladay, UTSAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The
Fight Hunger Bowl will make history with two female officials this year.The game between BYU and Washington on Dec. 27 in San Francisco will be called
by a crew from Conference USA that includes Sarah Thomas as line judge and Maia
Chaka as head linesman.Typical byU fan not knowing the facts.
Perhaps Bronco will see the importance of actually practicing and preparing for
next years bowl game? This was a loss that didn't need to happen, at least
not in the manner it did, and it is all on Bronco in my opinion. Of
course BYU's inability to score TD's in the red zone really hurt them,
and some extremely boneheaded mistakes hurt them as well. I thought
Taysom was fantastic, he did everything he could do and I think he is on the
verge of becoming a true star but he needs some more help. Hopefully the oline
improves, that is a real problem, and hopefully Bronco improves, he is becoming
a real problem.
BYU lost because Washington is a better team. And honestly I'm sick and
tired of the rivalry between Utah and BYU fans and all the stupid remarks that
both sides make. BYU fans...we lost because we weren't as good as they
were, period. Utah fans, U would have lost as well, and probably by a larger
margin...your recent history with the Huskies gives little doubt about that (and
the fact you got worked by 12 pts to their little cousin). Neither program is
performing as well as their fans would like, and listening to you all snivel and
fight over what amounts to scraps from the adult table is tiresome and old.
Thank goodness I'm a UGA and SEC fan to fall back on because this
kindergarten fight on the Wasatch is getting ridiculous. BYU and Utah both stink
right now, and neither fan base has anything to brag about, and while Bronco and
Whit are in charge we should all get used to that. Here's hoping for some
much needed changes in CFB in the state of Utah.
I know for sure that the officials were from the PAC-12 .... Because that
conference doesn't allow refs from other conferences to call PAC-12
games.That proves the conference wants its teams to have home
cooking all the time. BYU's record against the PAC-12 would be at least
80% if it had fair officials.
A BYU loss always makes for a great day!
@Cougar Blue 1How do you talk down on what's above you? Is
that a special brand of physics known only by BYU's science departments?
Let me make this perfectly clear to you ute posters. Cosmos Cousin is just one
of your own, a Ute troll along the lines of Mildred and Earnest, just trying to
create more misconception of BYU fans.Actually, the officiating was
one of the best I've seen of a BYU game. I can think of only 2 missed
calls-- the no call on the UW player on one of the TDs and the missed call on
Kaufusi's head butt, even though they got him on a much less egregious late
hit.Kudos to the women officials who actually did an excellent job!
I am amazed at how disloyal BYU fans can be! We all need to remember that one
thing is for sure, there is always a winner and a loser! An 8-5 record is
considered a winning record! Time to move on......
@Cosmos Cousin They weren't PAC 12 officials. They were from Conference
USA. You can confirm that in the Daily Universe. Please in the future do some
research and know what you're talking about before posting a "blame the
officials" comment. You reinforce the stereotype of BYU fans and make BYU
fans look bad. No matter how much you shout in all caps it doesn't make
what you say true. BYU was not the better team last night and that
responsibility falls directly at the feet of Bronco Mendenhall.
I'm hearing a lot of voices from the PAC 12 Basement. Oh, just the usual
Ute fans. Smile and wave boys, smile and wave. Maybe your offensive
co-co-co-co-co coordinators will lead you to a bowl game next year.
I knew the Cougars were in trouble when the starting tailback for
Washington's first name was:Bishop.
You know, this game sucked and I would like to flay Bronco and Anae, but it is
comical to see the cheap shot comments from Utes on this board. Hope the couch
is comfortable. You will be there for the foreseeable future.
@Ed GradyNo - BYU doesn't need to practice special teams,No -
BYU doesn't need to practice red-zone offense,No - BYU doesn't
need to practice 2nd-half offense,No - BYU receivers don't need to
practice,No - BYU offensive line doesn't need to practice.No -
BYU talent and All the Practice will not matter and will just make you tired..
Cosmo's Cousin (and others)Referees were NOT PAC-12. They were
Conference USA officials who missed calls on both sides.
I say by BYU not having as many workouts it took away the advantage the Cougs
had with the UW coaching situation. To me it was a bummer that the Y got
outcoached by an interim coach in his first and only game as the head coach with
only five full time assistants, probably spending any free time working on
resumes. I support Coach Mendenhall generally but this was a poor effort on his
behalf, and that of the coaches, which led to a substandard effort by the
players. This game was there for the taking against a quality program and we
didn't come prepared.
I am enjoying reading the BYU fans assessment of the game...season...coaching
staff etc....Please continue...It's half-time at
ND/Rutgers... It's amazing to hear the normal pro BYU talking
heads at ESPN mock the coaching and the play of BYU...taking time to show KVN
wiff on Sankey's TD... as well as the special teams meltdowns... BTW...The officials for the game were Conference USA officials.
BYU fans are strange. How the heck do I read so many post on here about how
great Hill was.1) Hill couldn't hit water if he fell out of a
freak'in boat. He is a terrible passer, over throws everybody. He is a
good runner, but you can't win on just that alone.2)Anae's play
calling is terrible. His play calling is so predictable. Last night, almost
every third down and long, Washington pulled their nose tackle, and Hill ran up
the middle, an got stuffed more than half the time.3) Yes back to it,
Hill over threw at least three plays that if he just drops the ball in it would
have been six. This isn't high school anymore Taysom, you have to complete
passes.4) BYU is flat out a disappointment like they are every year. I
can't think of a team that lets its fans down more than BYU. Win the games
you should lose and then turn around and lose games you should have won.Terrible!
BYU9293:"Tough game to watch. Very frustrating that byu can so
dominate a team on offense, look at the first downs and total yardage, and yet
lose."The article also pointed out how many yards y'all
racked up. Unfortunately, the scoreboard doesn't show the yards or the 1st
downs. It only shows the points you get from converting those yards and 1st
downs in the red zone. Teams that dominate on offense make that conversion.
Teams that don't, they spin their wheels. Twice the effort for half the
I only Yasom could throw that football 50 yds and run down the field and
catch...we would win. Maybe they could work on that during spring ball?Texas and Utah State were a fluke. The cougs are not capable of beating
BYU could've won this game. Things just didn't go our way, such as the
the PAC-12 refs not calling any holds on Washington even though they were
holding ALL NIGHT LONG!In my heart I think that BYU is the better
team but once the officials and bad calls set them back by two touchdowns, the
boys got so deflated they couldn't come back. I mean, what was
the point? The officials from the PAC-12 would just find a way to give the game
back to the Huskies anyway.In the future, BYU needs to DEMAND that
no refs from the PAC-12 can officiate our games. We know from the Utah game
these officials protect their own. We need to file a complaint with the PAC-12
and threaten a lawsuit until they agree to bring in officials from the MWC or
Bowl streak snapped!
Hopefully BYU fans have come to the realization that playing PAC-12 teams is a
lot harder than they thought. Now Y fans can understand what Utah has to deal
with week-to-week in the PAC-12. No more bashing Utah on our performance when we
just saw last night how bad BYU looked against Washington.
Go Fast, Go Hard... go three and out. What a gimmick.
Had a family party last night so I missed the game. So glad I didn't waste
my time watching another half rear-ended effort by the coaching staff.
Bronco's bowl prep is horrible. Does he think really think his players are
thinking after a loss, "Hey we got killed but at least I had another week to
sit on my rear end." He's doing a disservice to his players by not
preparing them properly!
Bronco will find a silver lining somewhere in last night's pathetic
performance (e.g., BYU's cheerleaders were more modestly dressed than
Washington's), but the truth is, the BYU football team was flat,
undisciplined and utterly unprepared for a quality team like Washington and
badly embarrassed its uncommonly loyal fans, continuing in its long-standing
tradition of choking in just about any game that matters. The most amazing
thing?--the team just takes it all in stride (a reflection of the head
coach)--ah, shucks, we'll get'em next year. If all BYU can ever
manage to do is put on a nice fireside the night before the game, why not just
shut the program down and spend all that money on academic scholarships for
deserving students? Bronco deserves a swift kick in the pants, Robert Anae has
to go today, and with half the money BYU is spending on him, hire a special
teams coach, recruit a new punter and some offensive linemen and find some
defensive backs, who can play fewer than 20 yards off the receiver.
Although Hill is a good QB, running that is, he is a terrible passing QB, and
Coach Annai is not a great offensive coordinator. The plays were boring and
ineffective. If anything, BYU needs to find speedy kick returners and running
backs. The offensive line was slow to protect their QB. Honestly, it was a
painful game to watch. Mendenhall needs to give up handling the defense. BYU
does NOT possess a potent offense. Period. They lost to a mediocre, average Pac
12 team which speaks volumes as to where the BYU program is and isn't.
Lousy game. I gave up after the interception, but knew that even after halftime
the winner was already determined.
BYU just lost to the 6th place team in the PAC 12, who didn't even have
their coach, by 2 touchdowns. This loss will effect BYU next year too since
their schedule is so weak and they don't play in a conference. No matter
how many wins they get next year, they will be discounted because the last time
they played a middle of the pack PAC 12 team, they lost by 2 touchdowns.BYU's record in 2013 against BCS conference teams of 1-5 won't
I support BYU. I don't support Bronco. BYU must decide if it's going
to continue down this path of rosy records over nobodies but no ability to
compete with national powers. It's time to take a new path back to when BYU
was competitive & respected.BYU is regressing, not progressing.
It has an offense that it doesn't have the athletes to run. So what does
Bronco do? Runs plays faster. GFGH has shown to be nothing but a defense
killer when the offense doesn't make first downs and extend drives. It has
shown inept at recruiting. Heaps? Apo? Have another press conference. Lavell
would have never allowed that.Bronco is Professor Harold Hill. He
talks winning seasons, national championships, BCS games, how many plays the
team is running all the while asking us as fans to ignore the team's true
makeup. Four straight losses to Utah. Six bowl practices? Notre Dame?
Wisconsin? Virginia? Utah? Losses. Beating a Texas team that fired its DC and
HC? Please.Firing Bronco is a must if BYU football is to return
where it once was. When it beat Florida & Pitt, not MTSU, ISU and NMSU.
As an independent, BYU will always schedule enough winnable games to get to a
bowl. Whether or not they deserve to be there is another question. I
Further proof that Robert Anae is a one trick pony. Move him to offensive line
coach and get a real offensive coordinator!BYU has a stable of good
running backs yet the QB gets the majority of carries? Very poor offensive
I'm pleased with the caliber of young men that make up this BYU football
team. I wish them the very best in all they choose to become in life. You
cannot find a finer bunch of young men anywhere. As for the game, I
could not be more disappointed in the offensive game plan. What in the world is
the coaching staff thinking? I saw 3 passes to tight ends that were great.
There were a couple of trick plays that were complete failures in execution. I
saw one crossing pattern. I saw no dumps across the middle to the backs. I saw
one screen pass, and no flare outs or button hooks. I saw way too many QB runs
and zero creativity. I don't know what this coaching staff is trying to
do. If you fail to plan you plan to fail. BYU's plan to fail worked
perfectly in this game.
If the team with a hurry-up offense can't score consistently in the red
zone, it is a mere gimmick.
poyman,This is not about BYU or Utah's inability to beat
Washington. This is about BYU fans poking fun at Utah's inability to win
in the PAC 12 with a 33% winning percentage while over the same time period BYU
has a 28% winning percentage against PAC 12 teams.Instead of calling
it the PAC 10.2 you guys should call it the PAC 10.2.1
8 yard punts are a sign of not enough practice. Double reverse pass in the red
zone? That could have gotten Hoffman decapitated and lost BYU a QB for 6-8
months. The interim Huskies coach made some boneheaded decisions in the first
quarter instead of taking points, but UW had a good enough running game and a
good tight end to capitalize on opportunities and score touchdowns. BYUs
offensive scheme relies way too much on Hill to make plays. He throws a great
ball when a receiver is wide open 5-10 yards on quick routes, but when there is
tight coverage or he has to throw down the field, his percentage drops way off.
All of Bronco Mendenhall's quotes sound like empty platitudes.
Almost as if he practiced them by himself at home and thought they sounded good,
so he used them regardless of a win or loss. He rarely seems truly disappointed
or surprised when BYU doesn't win. For the BYU fans piling on
Utah and saying they would compete better in the PAC 12, maybe there won't
be so much chest thumping now. The speed and skill players in the PAC 12 are
pretty darn good.
Hill did not hit wide open receivers. Yes the kickoff coverage was terrible but
your qb has to be able to hit wide open receivers.
Ed GradyNo) - BYU doesn't need to practice special teams,No -
BYU doesn't need to practice red-zone offense,No - BYU doesn't
need to practice 2nd-half offense,No - BYU receivers don't need to
practice,No - BYU offensive line doesn't need to practice.No - BYU real college level quality talent and All the Practices will not
matter and will just make you tired..
at boyman,"As for ute fans that want to pile on??? You have
nothing to crow about... The cougs have at least beaten the Huskies
before."While this may be true, this is also the truth, Byu 0,
Utah 4, and it seems you can't handle the truth. LOL
BYU and Utah fans have to accept that neither school can attract the type of
talent that will allow them to consistently compete on a big league level. The
big question is, which is better, being a big fish in a little pond or taking in
the big bucks while you lose regularly? The truly talented kids don't want
to come to Utah schools and the available pool of kids is limited for BYU.Enjoy the occasional win against the big program and be prepared for the
frequent let down too. Both teams are now small fish in a big pond.
My thoughts1 when a quarterback runs 29 times receivers start getting
lazy.2. Passing is mostly timing and repititions so when you don't
practice it is not going to happen in the game.3. Good thing next years
schedule is easier than this year4. Kick off returns are not counted in
total yardage so it is not correct to say the Y out gained W by 150 yards.
Their 150 yards in two returns is why they did not need to have more yards,5. Bronco may think it is a successful season but beating the likes of Nevada
and Idaho state do not make a season successful.6. Good thing the Y. Is
not in a major conference.
at intramural cougar,"Utes can't even beat Boise State from
the WAC/MWC? How terrible is that?" I would say about as
terrible as someone posting about how bad the Utes are after your team puts on a
complete display of ineptitude for all of the world to see. But, hey at least
the cougars got some exposure because the game was on espn. Yay!
Hill has tunnel vision and can't see or doesn't look at secondary
recievers. His decision making on passes is suspect at best. When Hoffman was
getting double and triple teamed, someone else had to be open. He still throws
the ball like he's trying to throw it through a wall. He also needs to
learn when to throw the ball. He waits too long. There is no timing between
recievers and the QB. Bring in Detmer to teach him how.Kafusi
should have been ejected for that helmet hit on the QB on the interception play.
He should have had two penalties on that play. I'd have benched him after
that. The bonehead penalty after the interception cause the loss of yards that
kept the Cougars from scoring.
I couldn't be happier about the outcome, specially after reading the
comments under the Murphy article. Sad boys.
"Cosmo's CousinHolladay, UTThe refs rigged the game by not
calling hold after hold on Washington. I'm so mad right now because the
better team lost thanks to the officials."you must not of
watched the game huh? like the late cheap shot given to Price, bad enough that
the announcers were calling for #90 ejection. amazing. BYU was beat. get used to
it. Karma for sleazy play. go watch NHL if you're in to thugs.
Re: GoRed, et alThe fact that BYU lost doesn't change the fact
that Utah is in over its head in the PAC-12.
BYU is 0 and 2 against unranked PAC teams, with extra time to prepare for both
games. For all the Cougar fans who've claimed the independent schedule is
just as difficult as that of a top AQ conference, I don't believe it.
I made the correct call this year and opted out of season tickets to home games.
The frustration level was significantly lower as a result. My blood pressure
came down, my family is happier. Unfortunately, I called this game for
Washington by 3 TDs... off by one. The BYU coaching staff has no real vision
other than go fast go hard die fast and hard. BYU needs to get back into the MWC
to have something to play for again. Each year the Cougs lose the first game and
there is nothing to play for. 4 straight losses to Utah, doormat of the
PAC12...ouch. The seniors and juniors have figured it out...one loss and you are
out. Recruiting will suffer, is suffering. Wisconsin already has 2 top Utah
recruits secured with LDS coach Gary Anderson pickpocketing Kyle and Bronco. BYU
needs a true drop back passer who looks to pass first and actually can pass 75%
accurately and then run only if absolutely needed. Lots of questions few answers
at the moment. ESPN must be getting frustrated with BYUs lack of offensive
Tough game to watch. Very frustrating that byu can so dominate a team on
offense, look at the first downs and total yardage, and yet lose. Special teams
were just horrible. Defense did not do too badly overall, really. Another key
is that while we are settling for field goals, they got touchdowns. Hill will
be junior next year and I look for great things. All but one o-lineman back
next year so hopefully the oline will be better. Lose some on defense but gain
a lot back in secondary and the schedule is easier next year. Plus, will be the
second year with this offense and hopefully they will improve. Still, it was a
Want to see something funny? New and improved schedule. 2014 BYU
Football Schedule08/28/14 @ UConn09/06/14 @ Texas09/13/14 OPEN DATE09/20/14 Virginia09/27/14
Houston10/03/14 Utah State10/11/14 @ UCF10/18/14 Nevada10/25/14 @ Boise State11/01/14 @
Middle Tennessee State11/08/14 Southern Miss11/15/14
UNLV11/22/14 Savannah State11/29/14 @ CaliforniaLooks like days of old.
Bronco making excuses about Special Teams? How about the fact that Gill is the
only person that came out to play. With all Washington has been through, this
would have been the perfect time to beat a PAC 12 school. Bronco's fault.
Surprising no one here has mentioned the cheap shot Kaufusi took on Price ( and
would of turned over the interception) , when announcers were calling for his
ejection. when have you EVER heard that? Kaufusi is a menace, a cheap player and
should be removed. Are you proud of his play? Karma baby. .... with play like
that BYU got what was coming. Shame on them. hats off to Coach Tui for coaching
a great game, down 4 coaches and still pounded BYU. Hill deserves a better
team, and really fans.
The PAC-12 is the 2nd best Football conference in the country. It is very tough
to win in especially this year. Washington is a very talented team but lost four
games in the league. WA lost close to Stanford and UCLA. WA got worked by Oregon
and Arizona State. BYU had slim chances of winning this game going in and it
played out pretty much as I thought.These posts have been
interesting. It seems most BYU fans are finally coming to realize they do not
have the athletes (with two exceptions this year, KVN & Hoffman) to compete
with the schools from the better leagues. Two athletes are not going to get it
done the way most of you wish. BYU’s 8-5 record is a darn good year for
the talent on the team. Remember, three of those wins were pretty lucky, Texas
(caught them just at the right time), Houston, and Nevada. Yes there were three
close losses to quality opponents, Utah, Wisconsin, & ND, but those games
the opponents controlled the game from start to finish. I’m glad the new
reality is finally sinking in.
Washington was the 2nd or 3rd best team we played this year. We needed to play
a very good game to have a chance, and we played poorly in several
categories.Coaching - I completely disagree with Bronco's
philosophy of using less than half the practices allowed. Practice makes
perfect, and this is the best way to prepare not only for the bowl, but for next
season. Anae's may know Xs and Os but he is not inspirational and his play
calling is stagnant. The only two creative plays were Hoffman's pass and
Sorensen's run on 4th down.QB - I don't understand how you
can be critical of Hill. His passing continues to improve and his running keeps
us in the game.Special Teams and Red Zone - This is where we lost
it. It's hard to overcome the impact Washington's return game had on
the outcome. But when you add in BYUs pathetic punting game and inability to
score in the red zone, it's over. Our kicking game needs an overhaul.
All these post are so negative. Look here is the positive;1. The Cougs
were in the Kraft Hunger Bowl.2. Bronco had a legit excuse for 6
practices, family vacation time.3. Wrupple's Blue Zone is the
greatest creative expression ever.4. Independence is still the best
ever.5. Bronco's is still the most phenomena; head coach walking the
grid iron.6. Fans need to give Anae a break, all you neigh sayers try
calling a better game from your recliners.7. The Cougs have Hill for
another two years!8. The three point stance running on the field is the
best Ive sean since Little League football.9. The Cougs had the number one
toughest schedule in all of college.10. "Quest for Perfection" is
still achievable and available.As always Go Cougs!
Delusions of Grandeur has BYU convincing themselves they are a top program. They
are OK but mid level at best.
The final score is precisely the reason why I hate boneheaded predictions by
some arrogant fans. It was a difficult game to watch. Costly mistakes by the
special team, uninspired play and poor execution on both sides of the ball
spelled our doom. Once again, we'll have to wait till next year! And with
Van Noy and Hoffman gone, I'm wondering if we'll be any better!Go Cougars!
First of all: Mildred, You are a hoot!As for the practices, that is
one of the most coveted benefits of being in a bowl game. Teams love those extra
practices. This is what is hurting Utah the most from not being in bowl games.
It puts them a step behind going into the next season. Why a coach would
deliberately skip those practices is really puzzling and must have other coaches
scratching their heads.
Love the Bowl atmosphere... Glad we got to play UDub... Unfortunately, their
players were faster and more skilled than ours and their Offensive planning and
execution was better...We had the same problems that we always
have... . Can't finish in the Red Zone. . Our
Receivers can't get separation off the line and when they do, we either
can't get the ball to them or they drop it. (Except Hoffman).
. Our OL couldn't keep a gaggle of Grandmothers out of the pocket. . Our DBs can't keep up with Opposing Receivers. . Our
Special Teams are horrible... Can't kick the ball deep because we
can't cover??? Please... our PK was decent tonight (for a change) but our
Punter had a horrible game. . And we need a stronger OC... The
Offense is boring, predictable and totally ineffective. . I love
reading about all of the moral accomplishments of our Coaching Staff but this
"Business as Usual" stuff has got to stop... I would really like to see
"winning" moved up the priority list.As for ute fans that
want to pile on??? You have nothing to crow about... The Cougs have at least
beaten the Huskies before.
No - BYU doesn't need to practice special teams,No - BYU doesn't
need to practice red-zone offense,No - BYU doesn't need to practice
2nd-half offense,No - BYU receivers don't need to practice,No -
BYU offensive line doesn't need to practice.Practice will just make
BYU football has accepts field goals instead of touchdowns, just like the BBall
team accepts missed free throws instead of made ones. Both end up costing us
The refs rigged the game by not calling hold after hold on Washington. I'm
so mad right now because the better team lost thanks to the officials.
byu averaged 4.87 y/play & uw averaged 5.67 y/play.The reality
is, byu would've gone winless playing against The U's PAC-12 schedule,
particularly w/the back-to-back aspect of it. The U was ultra-competitive in
virtually every loss, but byu would've gotten absolutely brutally
curb-stomped.byu is now 2-5 in random games played against PAC-12
teams, only beating 2 teams at the bottom of the standings and smashed by the
only 3 teams finishing w/a winning record. They're 0-3 against The U.
The season is over with 8-5 record. Bronco said the season is a success
regardless of whether BYU wins or loses the bowl game. Doesn't feel like a
successful season to me. Better preparation, more practices and better passing
strategy, instead of Business As Usual coaching attitudes, might have helped
make a difference.
3 takeaways from tonight's game:1-Speed kills2-UW's
second stringers are better than byu's first stringers 3-byu was
literally and figuratively out of its league It's laughable
that byu and its fans think they would be competitive in an AQ conference. Good
luck with the pasty schedule next year.
It's interesting reading all of the rude comments by byu fans toward
Utah's program in the comment section on the article on Utah's Jake
Murphy going pro. I would think that, based on your team's poor
performance in tonight's game against an average 5-4 (in PAC 12 conference
play) Washington team, as well as your team continually coming up short against
all decent teams (such as Notre Dame, Utah, and Wisconsin), that you guys might
be forced to show a little humility.Wishful thinking.
For gosh sakes, the PAC-12 is good from top to bottom. BYU can't beat ANY
I keep listening to Bronco. It's all the same garbage. BYU will never be
in a BCS game as long as he is the head coach. Bronco has to go! Let me say it
again. Bronco has to go! BYU is a middle of the pack team. They will never be
a better team as long as Bronco is there. 8-5 record forever!
To win this game BYU needed to play relatively error free, smart football. I
have come to the realization that this team just doesn't have enough talent
(both on the field and on the sideline) to accomplish that.
I love how the Utes are 0-8 against Washington but now feel like they can rub it
in. Guess what BYU has thumped UW 4 times and you have not. Utes can't
even beat Boise State from the WAC/MWC? How terrible is that?
To those critical of Hill running the ball:Uhh, it was Hill's rushing
that kept BYU even remotely in the game. But it is true there were wide open
receivers who were missed and several dropped passes in critical situations. But
Hill and Hoffman played their hearts out for the win. But it just wasn't
good enough. This game was a reflection of their woes of the whole year:
inability to put 2 halves together, dropped passes, inability to cash in on good
opportunities, poor Red Zone efficiency, slow and terrible o-line play, and
questionable play calling. Then add on that exceptionally poor special teams
play and you have a loss.I thought the team looked tired and out of
energy and unprepared. Taking only 6 practices for a bowl game?Bottom
line: this is not an overachieving team. Many players on this team can make
great plays on occasion, but there are very few that can be relied on to play
consistent good football. I was glad to see Hoffman have his best game of the
We just lost to a middle of the road PAC 12 team with no coach. Defense played
reasonably well but the offense is bad and the special teams are not so special.
Big surprise, BYU plays a good team on the offensive and defensive lines and
loses. Special teams were a joke and defense did not look good tonight. Bottom
line, however...BYU doesn't have the athletes to compete with talented
teams like Washington. Same for Utah, that's why Utah has been blown out
every time they've played the Huskies...can't compete with the
athletes UW gets. Petersen should do very well with what looks like a full
cupboard in Seattle. Congrats UW, you were simply the better team, period.
Healthy Taysom ... Senior Hoffman ... Senior Van Noy ... 8-5 record ... our most
disappointing season in recent memory.
Time for a change. We have talented players just need someone that can coach
BYU's offense is good against the WAC, but against good teams they are
horrible. In 5 losses scored 17 points or less.Their defense is
good. Maybe Bronco can take demotion to D coordinator. Need a head coach who
will use practice and wants to win. Anae needs to go.
What a frustrating game. Holy cow. Ugh. I hope that the team can do better next
year. Of course that is how I have felt at the end of the last 3 seasons. Go
BYU football of old knew how to score in the Red Zone. ('Blue Zone' is
another gimmick they need to drop.) BYU will never move any higher than they
are right now until they find someone who can help them score TDs instead of
BYU needs better recruits to compete against the PAC-12. Washington didn't
even have their head coach and they still made beating BYU look easy. I was
impressed with the BYU teams 3 point stance when running on the field together.
Greg Wrubell calling the "red zone" the "blue zone" is also
creative. Some good take always I suppose.
PavlovaMaybe Apo didn't play well because he was injured...hint hint
8-5 is disappointing. It might not be if this schedule was as good as it was
hyped to be.Right now there is 1 team in the top 25 BCS rankings
that BYU played this season (Wisconsin), if they lose to South Carolina,
they'll be out.Beat Texas, but lost to Utah and Virginia.Disappointing year for BYU, beat Texas, but other than that not much to talk
Our line was horrible, Arellano was horrible, Sorensen was only 3 for 4, and our
kick coverage was horrible. There needs to be a lot of shaping up this off
Taysom and Cody were the only ones who actually played on offense. Van Noy the
only one who could tackle. Craig Bills is a horrible tackler. I will
miss Van Noy and Hoffman. I think losing Falslev will be a bigger blow than
some think. Sorensen was our only good secondary player. Trammell and Johnson
will return so that will help out our defense. I think that Fua will carry our
defense. I will not miss Justin Sorensen, though...
Strange game. Coaching preparation was bad for BYU. Just looked confused at
times. C-Defense looked bad. Not the same toughness that USU showed
last night. (Finishing tackles). C-Special teams (kick-off's,
punting) horrible. Just absolutely horrible. FOffense can move the
ball but we need better protection. We need more than Hoffman catching the
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Taysom Hill can never and
will never be a "great" quarterback - just a so so... And so as long as
he's the quarterback at BYU, BYU will never be a BCS team or football
powerhouse. It will just remain a mediocre program. Unless Bronco finds a
quarterback and move Hill to running back where he can all he wants. And if
it's Anane the one calling all the quarterback keep plays then he needs to
go too - again. Texas was an exception but Anae and Taysom still think it was
the template for the year. Sorry!!
Every game someone on the team commits at least one bone headed play.When the Cougs got an interception, one of the defensive players whose last
name begins with "K" hit a UW player after the play was essentially
over. It costs the team a legitimate shot at a TD.Then, there's
a QB whose last name begins with "H" who missed three open receivers
who, had they caught the ball, probably would have scored.
Most everyone complained about Bronco's cavalier attitude about game
preparation. Looks like the fans know better than the coaches. If you have 15
allowed practices and you take 6 you can expect to be rusty, drop passes, not be
able to cover kickoffs, and generally look too tired to get after their
quarterback.I've been an athlete. I know that I can get out of
shape in 1 week and it takes two to get back in shape. If they took off two
weeks, the got out of shape and rusty. Shame on the coaches.
Hill is amazing. He needs a lot more help though.
It almost seems like Taysom is the only offensive player who really wants to
win. There are way too many dropped passes and holding calls. Next year should
be better, but BYU was not prepared for this game.
We proved tonight that if we were in the PAC 12 we would win it.
BYU football just kind of reminds me of Carlton on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
They dress well. They speak well. But they are hard to take seriously as a big
time football program. They also need to lose the gimmicks like the three-point
stance on the sideline and all the slogans.
These PAC 12 teams are tough!!
BYU gets Pac-12ed.0-2 vs Pac-12 this year (lost to a 5-4 Wash and
2-7 Utah team)
With a terrible punting game, and having gone for it on 4th and 2 earlier from
our own 20, why on earth would we not again go for it on 4th and 2 from midfield
in the 4th quarter and down by 2 scores? Then we get another terrible punt... 8
yards. Without question, it was 1) terrible special teams play, and
2) bad play calling that cost us this game. Another shoulda, coulda, woulda game
It is really difficult to figure out what is going on when trying to follow the
game online...a very frustrating experience indeed! ESPN updates with
"Hoffman passes incomplete to Hoffman" and I just am utterly confused. I
wish the seniors well in their future endeavors! Hoffman and Van Noy will be
great to watch in the NFL!
I guess UW is not worried about losing, even with a 2-score difference as their
freshman QB is in the game trying to throw the ball and finally earned himself a
first down conversion. This could not be more pathetic performance on offense
and special teams. What do we do when we are down 12 points? Run up the middle!
What if that doesn't work? Run up the middle faster so we can...PUNT! And
then our punter is only able to muster 30 yards? What happened to the TE play?
What about trying to be more creative with the play calling? What happened to
proper execution? Hope these guys did well on their final exams because they
certainly did not prepare very well for this game.
Anae has got to go. This is just scatter-brained offensive football.
It is ridiculous for a team to be out gaining the opposition by over 100 yards,
be winning the turn over battle as well, but be losing by 12 points. 4 times
settling for field goals instead of touchdowns, and missing one of those to
boot...typical of BYU all year long.Hill is an amazing athlete, but
when your quarterback has more carries than the rest of the team combined, there
is a huge problem.
Commentator says Washington has no respect for the "speed" of byu.
Funniest thing I have heard all day
Down 2 touchdowns 4th quarter, little momentum, 4th and 3 at 42. Of course, we
punt.Lots of running calls despite being down 2 touchdowns, dropped
passes, poor throws, missed tackled, poor special teams play. BYU is
a head case. It's been the same in many of the big games this year.We do kick some nice field goals in the red zone.And we do
run up a lot of yards on our opponents, and set statistical records - not with
the final scores, though. It's a mental thing.
Why on earth is Hoffman throwing the ball on a critical 3rd quarter drive?!
Hello! Wake up coaches!
Apo, and the tight ends, no where to be found. Tackling, is also AWOL. This
could get real ugly, real fast.
What a game. Hill does it all. And that may be BYUs weakness.
BYU is obviously the better team. If we don't beat ourselves we'll
Too bad Washington has scored 2 TDs because Sorensen can't kick it out of
the endzone on kickoffs.