I suspect many of you are too young to remember when AZ and ASU were kings of
the WAC. Then, in 1978, they both moved to the PAC 8, which became the PAC 10.
It has now been 35 years since that move. How many PAC 10 championships have
those schools won in football? One?They both were already great
baseball schools before the move. AZ has become an elite basketball program,
but probably due more to a great coach (Lute Olsen) than the conference.I would bet that Utah will follow that same path. Nothing better than
also rans in football. Sixth place in the PAC 12 is about where they will be in
a good year. Their basketball program might climb into the the top 5 on
occasion.So they get to have some big name programs come into Utah
occasionally. That's not much of a prize if you get beat most years and
sit home during bowl season. The single best advantage is the money. But as
far as prestige? No. I grew up and live outside of Utah. BYU is well known
and respected in many circles. Utah? Not so much.So trade places?
Jake, D4inSLC, goforit and other Utah fans would love to see BYU "shut it
down". As well you should.Even though Utah has recently been
eking out single score wins against the Y in football and even once a decade in
basketball, most Ute fans are getting tired of sitting home for the holidays and
(whether they admit it or not) watching and envying the Y's ongoing bowl
record... something like 7 or 8 years in a row and going for their 5th straight
bowl win tonight. Only a Ute fan with their head in the sand wouldn't envy
those numbers. Heck, I'd bet there are a lot of Ute fans now
even envying the Aggies... especially after their impressive bowl victory
against a 12-win nationally ranked team last night. I guarantee that USU players
and fans are currently much more happy than the Ute players and fans are... even
Chris B... though he'd rather die than admit it. @ JD:Yes, the Utes often play teams like Washington. But they seldom compete
against them. That's the big difference. BYU is looking forward to actually
winning against them... while the Utes sit home watching... again!
Cougars looking for validation, momentum vs. WashingtonYou heard it
live of course BYU has to beat a member of the PAC-12 to validate their
existance. They have not beaten anyone in the PAC-12 this year in football and
Standford was a fluke in basketball. @Duckhunter BYU may had a tough
schedule but Utah had the #1 toughest schedule in the Country. byu fans
don’t want to trade because they know that they cannot compete week after
week with the big boys. After all you lost to Utah, Wisconsin, Virginia, Notre
Dame. All in BCS conferences and beat a very poor B12 Texas team who fired their
DC and head coach respectively.Utah is close to competing but had a set
back at their QB, WR, TE due to injuries and with lack of depth they struggled
at those key position which hampered the offense. When Utah gets their offense
going which is going to happen under Christensen watch out for the mighty Utes.
Go Huskies pound the cooters
I'm with Jake - just shut it down.
RE: dww722\"If you say you wouldn't want to see USC,
Stanford, UCLA, Arizona St etal. in Provo on a regular basis you're either
lying or you've completely lost your marbles."The
"etal" is the problem. Do I want to see ASU, AZ, WSU, Oregon St., and
CU in Provo on a regular basis? No, I'd much rather see the equivalent
(Houston, Georgia Tech, Boise State). I love playing the top PAC12 competition
and am glad we got contracts with USC and Stanford for November games... but I
also love playing a national schedule, especially since I don't live in
PAC12 country. Would I rather be in the Big12 than Independent? Absolutely.
Pac12? No thanks.
The Utes are like on welfare, they get the big games by default of being in a
Conference, while the Cougars are taking the risk, working to earn these big
game opportunities and win or lose, they deserve credit for that spirit that
built up this great country. Independence means battling every day, taking
nothing for granted....in this bowl game, we need the stars to shine; K. Van
Noy, are you up to playing great again? Show us.
Let's see.....would I want to trade......No, I wouldn't
want to continually miss bowl games and be the 5th of 6 teams in the southern
division just so I could buy stuff with the PAC 12 logo on it. I'd not
want to be invited mainly because I was a secular school and the conference has
zero tolerance for "any church school", the conference was told to pound
sand by the Big 12 teams, and along with Colorado (such a powerhouse partner for
sure) being invited they needed one more team so they could have a play-off.
That's basically what Utah got, has and is. In three years they
haven't won 10 conference games yet and have missed going to a bowl two
years running (and counting). They do have PAC 12 banners
everywhere, managed a fluke win over Stanford (this year's bright spot),
and managed to defeat their new rival (Colorado) again. And they're
managed to hire 4 OC's in 4 years, something no one else in the country can
seem to do. So I guess they're really happy with such accomplishments. No thanks on the trade.
I'm looking forward to the doomsday whining from BYU fans after losing to
UW.I'm looking forward to the gloating of the Utah fans over a
BYU defeat by a team Utah has NEVER beaten.I'm looking forward
to seeing how long Sark lasts at USC. His UW record would get him fired at
USC.Boys and Girls, Utah has joined a conference in which it will
never be really competitive. They will never match USC, Stanford, Oregon, ASU,
and Washington's funding. UW owns half of downtown Seattle. Utah owns what?
Sagebrush? So Utah, like Oregon State, Arizona, WSU even UCLA, will spend most
years getting beaten by the big money high prestige teams.BYU will
continue its national exposure, will get better players, and will be seen and
respected nationally. They actually have a better chance of playoff entry than
Utah. All BYU has to do is get ranked in the top 8. They play enough good teams
to make that happen. Just win, baby.So no, as a Husky and BYU fan, I
would not recommend that BYU trades places with Utah. Ask me again in five
Fair question.Would I wish BYU to trade places with Utah in a
heartbeat? Hmmm, no. Would I ponder carefully? Yes, but some things that are
non-negotiable make trading places into the PAC a fantasy and really not worth
pondering.But maybe the Big 12? With concessions? Hmmmm...Trade with Notre Dame? From what little I understand, they have a deal
we might like. If I'm going to be envious, I'll envy Notre Dame.
@jdBYU's schedule was in the top 25% of schedules in the
nation. utah is a loser program, face it because it is a fact. Look forward to
more losing, all of the time, because that is what you are getting and will
ocntinue to get.
PAC12FanRemind who Utah is playing this bowl season to seek
"validation, momentum".Obviously, simply being in the PAC
doesn't mean much if all you're doing is proving that you don't
I would trade places with the Utes in the PAC12 (minus the losing)in a heartbeat
and suspect that Holmoe, Bronco, Rose, the athletes and anyone else with a brain
would do the same. I think BYU is and has always been the better choice for the
PAC, has a far better overall athletic program and would compete at a much
higher level in all sports than the Utes. If you say you wouldn't want to
see USC, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona St etal. in Provo on a regular basis
you're either lying or you've completely lost your marbles.
@PAC-12 fanNo, this true BYU fan has no desire to change places with
Utah. That's because independence and the ESPN contract allow me to see a
lot more BYU games than I would get to see if they were stuck in another lame
conference TV contract.However, I love the PAC-12 and root for its
teams all the time because I'm sick of the East coast bias present in every
poll. The PAC-12 is probably the toughest football conference in the nation
despite what everyone says about the SEC. The reason the SEC has so many recent
national championships is because of the bias that puts them in those games
against usually inferior teams from the Northeast.As far as
basketball the Pac-12 is showing vast improvement over the past few years when
really they were probably weaker than the WCC.
JakeJakeAny "fan" who doesn't think that
Texas is truly one of the big boys obviously doesn't know anything about
major college football. The Longhorns are 30th in both the AP and Coaches polls
this week and finished the regular season in a tie for 2nd in the Big 12.-------PAC12FanThere's nothing special
about being a perennial big boy conference bottom dweller. Don't kid
yourself. Utah fans would give their eye teeth to be playing in a bowl tonight.
Even though Utah Football is down, is there any true cougar fans that
wouldn't change places with Utah right now? Why or why not?
I don't see a problem with Jake2010's comment. BYU fans tend to get
way to hyped over the so called experts predictions every year, and expect too
much, then complain when their expectations aren't met. BYU is
exactly what Jake stated as is Utah, no difference. Utah just loses more because
they play these teams more often. BYU doesn't have good enough lineman to
be elite in football, plain and simple, nor do I think they will ever achieve
that. In basketball they can't play defense well enough to beat very good
teams. They are good enough offensively but not defensively. Again I see the
future as the same, great offensively fair to poor defensively.All
Jake is saying and I have been saying for a long time is enjoy what you have
many people would love what you have just don't expect the top not going to
Rather than shut it down, they should probably find a way to prove me and other
skeptics wrong. I would love nothing more than to be wrong on this... And who
knows... Maybe I am becoming a budding Utah fan... It certainly hasn't been
Oh"I bleed blue", why did you have to drag the Utes into the
conversation? The truth is BYU worked all summer and played all season to become
eligible and earn the opportunity to play against the type of quality opponent
that the Utes get to play almost every week of the season. Congrats on getting
to a pre-arranged bowl, but look at the whole picture, all that work and effort,
to play a team that the Utes, who you are mocking, get to play all the time. I
don't see how that is considered "premiere", your qualifying for
events by playing a lesser brand of opponents. The WCC as a whole is not a
quality conference and this Independent football status seems really pointless.
Win all you can.... but it's not premiere. If your program is so respected
as you spout off supposed great qualities....where is your invitation to the big
Jake, I guess you thought too, as late as just this mid-season, that there would
never be another national champion besides Alabama?
Lets Go Cougars!
Wow Jake, I guess BYU should just shut it down. Just recently BYU had the
college basketball player of the year and a sweet 16 run. Who knows what could
have been if Davies would have played the entire year. I guess consistent
winning seasons and post season bowl games in football doesn't mean much
either. Being identified as having premier facilities,an ESPN contract and
state of the art TV is just a waste of time. I'm sure another university
could take over being identified as a premier NIKE program. BYU is one of ten
to twenty programs nation wide that have that. Good thing your not a Utah fan.
Validation? Momentum? All season long they were validated as a team that
can't beat the big boys any more... The truly big boys... The 'still
ranked's'... The problem has followed the campus to the hardwood...
There will not ever be a championship of national prestige on that campus again.
I wish it was different, but 23 years have proven it pretty solid. I don't
see the landscape changing. I love independence... I love the Cougars... But we
are never going to be crowned kings of the gridiron or hardwoods again....
Whatever element was around when it 'happened' has been permanently
lost. We must simply become content with also ran or couldn't run status...
Cool victories here and there will continue to be enjoyed, but no January or
March madness is on the horizon...