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Published: Thursday, Dec. 26 2013 1:00 p.m. MST

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Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Good points.

Thanks for laying out the facts.

danr
San Bernardino, CA

Facts aren't important to those who oppose equal rights and fairness.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

I suppose when gay couples have something to offer the state in return for the benefits afforded by the expansion of the definition of marriage, then we can talk fairness. In the meantime, the state stands to lose the ability to require heterosexual couples to care for their children, as the equal protection clause cuts both ways.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

Your point it moot.

Most of the Gay/Lesbian couple I know already have children from previous "marriages".

Think Brady Bunch, but with Mike/Mitch or Carol/Karen instead.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Pops --

"I suppose when gay couples have something to offer the state in return for the benefits afforded by the expansion of the definition of marriage, then we can talk fairness."

Again -- gay couples provide exactly the same benefits to the state as any other infertile couples do.

And many gay couples are already raising children. They produce children in exactly the same ways as any other infertile couples do.

Ranch
Here, UT

@Pops;

I pay taxes in the state of Utah. Taxes, without which, many of YOUR children wouldn't be educated.

How is that for a contribution?

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

@OMM: your point is anecdotal.

@Contrarius: I hope you're not advocating that laws be based on exceptions rather than the rule, because that opens a very large Pandora's box of trouble.

@Ranch: thank you for your contributions. I dare say I have contributed many times what you have for the well-being of my children, in time and in money, which children will pay for your Social Security and Medicare due to them having been raised properly and being sober, law-abiding, and productive members of society.

Gay marriage advocates are demanding the benefits of marriage without any of the obligations of marriage. That is not equal protection, it is not fair, and it is not just.

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

@Pops --

"I hope you're not advocating that laws be based on exceptions...."

I am following the very same principles the SCOTUS justices did in their Prop 8 hearing.

Breyer -- "there are lots of people who get married who can't have children."

Kagan -- "suppose a State said that, Because we think that the focus of marriage really should be on procreation, we are not going to give marriage licenses anymore to any couple where both people are over the age of 55. Would that be constitutional?"

Scalia -- "I suppose we could have a questionnaire at the marriage desk when people come in to get the marriage -- you know, Are you fertile or are you not fertile?" "I suspect this Court would hold that to be an unconstitutional invasion of privacy..."

Ginsburg -- "...we said somebody who is locked up in prison and who is not to get out has a right to marry, has a fundamental right to marry, no possibility of procreation."

You said: "Gay marriage advocates are demanding the benefits of marriage without any of the obligations of marriage. "

Baloney.

You have not showed any way in which gay couples differ from any other infertile couples in fulfilling their obligations.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Reality and facts won't be understood by this letter's audience.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'I suppose when gay couples have something to offer the state in return for the benefits afforded by the expansion of the definition of marriage, then we can talk fairness. '

*'Gay Americans pay more taxes for fewer rights' - By Suze Orman – CNN – 02/25/13

'We all have 83-year-old Edith Windsor to thank for in pushing the issue of same-sex marriage equality on to the national front. Edie and her partner Thea were together for 40 years. How many marriages do you know that have lasted that long? But when Thea died in 2009, Edie was hit with a $363,000 federal estate tax bill because as a same-sex couple they were not eligible for the unlimited marital deduction. Are we really a nation that says it is fair and just to demand Edie pay a $363,000 penalty because she is gay?'

If you believe that LGBT Americans have contributed 'nothing' to our country…

after 14,000 were discharged from military service under 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'…

then I think you have to take a moment to consider what being an American, means.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

I love the high pitched cries of 'lone, activist judge' from conservatives today…

*'Judge's Prop. 8 ruling upheld' - By Lisa Leff - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/14/11

'...ruling that struck down California's same-sex marriage ban…'

*'Judge Ware Denies Motion To Vacate Decision Overturning Prop 8' - By Barry Deutsch - Family Scholars - 06/14/11

*'Gay marriage wins rulings in pair of federal challenges' - By Denise Lavoie - AP - Published by DSNews - 07/08/10

'...ruled in favor of gay couples' rights in two separate challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act, known as DOMA...'

*’Prop 8 declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL by 9th circuit court’ – by Michael De Groote – Deseret News – 02/07/12

"Proposition 8 served no purpose, and had no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California," the Ninth Circuit said in its ruling on appeal in the case of Perry v. Brown.'

sound familiar?

*'Appeals court DENIES stay on same-sex marriage, ruling pending hearing Monday' - By Emilee Eagar, Deseret News – 12/22/13

'SALT LAKE CITY — The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver on….

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Ranch,
I don't think

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

has any idea which team you or many other good, well reasoned and insightful commentors play on.

Reminds me of that episode of All In the Family, when Archie Bunker's discovers his good friend - the football playing boxer WWII Veteran let's him in on the 'secret' of his Bachleorhood.

danr
San Bernardino, CA

@Pops,

My partner and I have 8 grown children between us. All straight, BTW. How is that for anecdotal evidence? Additionally, most of our gay friends have children, as well. Have we "contributed" enough to qualify for marriage? We could call ourselves The Gaydy Bunch.

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