I don't know if Nelson Mandela is the best example to use here. He remained
every bit a Marxist after emerging from prison and was unapologetic for his
terrorist acts even after becoming president of South Africa. And while South
Africa's transition away from apartheid is peaceful, Mandela still allied
himself with various petty dictators of the Third World and under his leadership
the standard of living in South Africa decreased substantially.But
this was a very good message overall.
Sharrona,Argue with Christ. He said "my Father and your
Father". Seems he thought he was our father.As to Paul. It is
odd that he would use the actions of apostates to prove true doctrine. No?
Sharrona,I have no doubt you know your scriptures and many quotes
from LDS prophets. However, a battle of quotes resolves little as Joseph Smith
realized. "...the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the
same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in
settling the question by an appeal to the Bible." (Joseph
Smith—History:12)Ultimately it is the spirit who teaches truth
- using scriptures, words of living prophets, and other means according to the
individual needs of God's beloved children. I am grateful that
God loved us enough to send His son to die for us and for me personally and who
marked the path back to His presence.
Thanks for the uplift, Dr. Peterson.I've often wondered if Kim
Jong Un understands, or is capable of understanding, that his is the unique
opportunity of becoming a truly great man in the eyes of Koreans and the world
by assuming the role of benefactor to and liberator of his people, if he were to
follow in the footsteps of Mandela rather than in the footsteps of his father.
But that's a bit off topic.Some of the feelings I've had
as I join the geriatric set have been surprising and unsettling, having to do
with life being over and nothing of significance having been accomplished.
I'm grateful for the example of LDS Church leaders who continue to serve
and to be vital, energetic, and cheerful to the end. I'm especially
grateful for the Savior, who can make us whole by virtue of having descended
below all things, and who is willing to keep giving each of us another chance in
spite of our weakness and foolishness.
@Jeanie, Accurate interpretation: (The Bereans )examined the Scriptures
every day to see if what Paul(an Apostle) said was true. .(Acts 17:11). Do you?
”They tell us that the BoM states that Jesus was begotten of
the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The BoM teaches No Such Thing!
Neither does the Bible!”( Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of
Salvation. (Jesus)… who shall be overshadowed and conceive by
the power of the Holy Ghost(Spirit) and bring forth a son yea, even the Son of
God. ( Alma 7:10).The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the
power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which
shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.(Luke 1:35) RE:
TwinLights, (John20:17),: "In Jesus case the Heavenly One is his natural
Father; but in our case he is our God. But insofar as this true and natural Son
became as we are, so he speaks of the Father as his God, a language fitting to
his self-emptying." Cyril of Alexandria.Paul uses the 3rd
person, :what shall “they” do which are baptized”, If Paul
did perform this ritual he would want to include himself.
Jeanie,Thanks. I didn't understand it either.Sharrona,Not sure why we are talking about adoption via Christ
(which the LDS believe). But we are still God's children "I am
ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."Reference Baptism for the Dead, the following is from Christianity Today:"The most plausible interpretation is that some in Corinth were
getting baptized vicariously for the dead." It goes on to say that using
this as an example does not equate to endorsement, but I think generally an
apostle would be careful not to imply endorsement of a spurious practice - so it
likely was accepted practice.
Sharrona, I'm not sure why Twin Lights needed this response.
Your last quote from 2 Peter applies to anyone claiming to
understand the scriptures, even you. This is why current God-given authority is
needed. LDS people believe that authority is found in the president of the LDS
church and the 12 apostles of the LDS church. That you don't believe that
is fine, but quoting scripture or quoting anyone else to prove others have a
distorted understanding of Christian concepts is not helpful unless you can
establish in the minds of your readers that you hold the God-given authority to
know the accurate interpretation.
RE: Twin Lights, Having predestinated us unto the *adoption of children by Jesus
Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will (Eph 1:5).For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you
received ”the Spirit of *adoption” by whom we cry out, “Abba,
Father(Romans 8:15)The Greek term (huioqesia,5206)= *adoption as a
son with full rights of inheritance of children. Paul, only in a transferred
sense of a ”transcendent filial relationship” between God and
humans.”. 1.that relationship which God was pleased to establish
between himself and the Israelites in preference to all other nations.2.
the true disciples in Christ, who by receiving the Spirit of God into their
souls become sons of God.RE: IDblue&white, The entire fifteenth
chapter of 1 Cor deals with the resurrection. False teachers had infiltrated the
church at Corinth, the Cataphrygians (Montanists), had developed the practice
of baptizing actual corpses based on a misunderstanding of this verse.(Pauls) letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which
ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their
own destruction.(2 Peter 3:16)
Michangander:Why the negative comment to a positive toned message?
Did you get a lump of coal under your tree?
Michaganer: The Corinthians (and the Apostle Paul) would argue otherwise
(1 Cor. 15), but even so, I respect your right to a differing opinion and
appreciate our freedom to express ourselves and worship how and what we may as
American citizens. Enjoy the coming new year and best to you and all.
Thanks so much for a great article on this Christmas Day. I needed to hear
Thanks for another excellent article of truth and faith!