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Flying Spaghetti Monster dubbed 'most ridiculous affront' to holiday displays

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  • BurnEdOut Racine, WI
    Jan. 7, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    "Although...the government should recognize it has its own form of speech that gets compromised..."

    Um...where did you read ANYWHERE that the GOVERNMENT is allowed freedom of speech? Because the government does NOT have that right. The majority of amendments, particularly the first ten, are limitations on the rights of government and expansions of the rights of individuals. The separation of church and state precisely means that particular religions cannot be endorsed or enforced by an official governing body over others.

    “The postal service can issue a stamp honoring Martin Luther King Jr. without also honoring the Ku Klux Klan." That has nothing to do with religion.

    "Congress can celebrate Veterans Day without also celebrating Pacifists Day." That has nothing to do with religion.

    "And Wisconsin can recognize Christmas and Hanukkah without also recognizing the Flying Spaghetti Monster,” according to the Becket Fund."
    No they can't. Because that's endorsing which religious beliefs are "appropriate" and which ones are not.

    The government is not 'compromising' its freedom of speech because that compromise was made when the bill of rights was formed. The terms of that compromise? Get your shrine off of state property.

  • Ursa585 Aurora, CO
    Jan. 7, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    If religion would get out of public forums, it wouldn't be appropriate for secular people to leave mockeries of religion in public forums. As it is, it's hilarious to me that there are people who were offended by this, as though we, the people who take the separation of church and state were somehow invading their turf. Religion has no place in a state capitol, and so long as it does, mockeries of religion have a place in state capitols.

  • brokenclay Tempe, AZ
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    I'd further point out that many versions of the dysteleological objection represent a sort of "naturalism-of-the-gaps" fallacy-- i.e., "we can't figure out a reason why the Designer would have allowed this, therefore, naturalism." If you want some good satire, here's a winner.

  • brokenclay Tempe, AZ
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Dysteleology is in no way an insoluble problem for the Christian. In any event, the issue here is theological (theodicy) and not scientific (dysfunctional design does not rule out a designer).

    See William Lane Craig's article, "Nature's Flaws and Cruelties."

    The FSM as a parody misses the point it claims to address. Those who embrace the satire here have not put forth a rigorous natural theology to establish their claim (instead misrepresenting faith as fideism-- "I believe it's true, therefore it is." Natural theology establishes a number of attributes of the Designer-- including that he is immaterial. This attribute alone rules out the FSM, as well as almost all other deities concocted by humanity in history. Only a handful of candidates remain (i.e., deism, Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and perhaps others like Sikhism).

    The FSM represents either gross ignorance of or an undeserved disrespect for a philosophical and scientific discipline that is more potent now than it has ever been at any other time in history.

    See Craig's, "God and the Flying Spaghetti Monster."

    Tyler D, many of your comments are even-handed, even if we don't ultimately see eye-to-eye. Thanks for that.

  • Contrariuserer mid-state, TN
    Dec. 27, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    @A Scientist --

    "Contrariuser preaches unto you an a-pastate doctrine. He brings darkness and deception, and must be destroyed. By decree of the FSM, followers of the one and only true and living FSM will hunt him down and inflict harm on him and his posterity unto the last generation!

    His is a false pasta, a false sauce, having the form of noodliness, but denying the true authority that came down from the Olive Garden of Eatin'.

    There will be a food fight!"

    Ahem. The true FSM does not "decree". He "suggests". Thus spake Our Prophet Henderson.

    Besides, I come bearing dark chocolate-filled cannelloni and deceptively light ricotta-stuffed tortellini. Surely we can reach a pasta-ral accommodation? A meeting of the noodles?

    Although I'm always up for a food fight. Tomatoes from the yardarms! Onions from the foredeck!

  • Contrariuserer mid-state, TN
    Dec. 27, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    @A Scientist --

    "Contrariuser preaches unto you an a-pastate doctrine. He brings darkness and deception, and must be destroyed. By decree of the FSM, followers of the one and only true and living FSM will hunt him down and inflict harm on him and his posterity unto the last generation!

    His is a false pasta, a false sauce, having the form of noodliness, but denying the true authority that came down from the Olive Garden of Eatin'.

    There will be a food fight!"

    Ahem. The true FSM does not "decree". He "suggests". Thus spake Our Prophet Henderson.

    Besides, I come bearing dark chocolate-filled cannelloni and deceptively light ricotta-stuffed tortellini. Surely we can reach a pasta-ral accommodation? A meeting of the noodles?

    Although I'm always up for a food fight. Tomatoes from the yardarms! Onions from the foredeck!

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    You should at least go read the Random Number of Suggestions, or the alternately stated "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts". They are pretty great.

    And the Loose Canon includes books with titles like:

    The Book of Midgets
    The Book of Fusilli
    The Book of Fearsome Pirate Pete
    The Book of ProvHerbs
    The Song of Semolina
    The Pastalms
    The Book of Jeff

    And many others.

    If you appreciate Monty Python, they should give you a laugh.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Dec. 27, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Contrariuser

    Haha. I am getting a kick out of your spaghetti monster parody... This is actually quite funny

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Dec. 26, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    To all readers,

    Contrariuser preaches unto you an a-pastate doctrine. He brings darkness and deception, and must be destroyed. By decree of the FSM, followers of the one and only true and living FSM will hunt him down and inflict harm on him and his posterity unto the last generation!

    His is a false pasta, a false sauce, having the form of noodliness, but denying the true authority that came down from the Olive Garden of Eatin'.

    There will be a food fight!

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Dec. 26, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    @Brahmabull --

    "If I eat spaghetti more then twice a week does that make me a religious zealot or an anti- flying spaghetti monster?"

    As our Prophet Henderson has revealed, "the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma".

    Therefore, eat as thou wilt.

    The only dietary restriction of the Church of the FSM is enumerated in Suggestion #6 -- "6. Thou ought not consume "cheese" from a green cardboard can, nor ought thou allow such cans into thy homes ".

    "Is the Flying spaghetti monster gluten free?"

    All depastinations are welcomed, from amaranth to quinoa to whole wheat.

    The Loose Canon, aka "A Really Important Collection of Words" -- which includes the Random Number of Suggestions -- is available for free download. Just Google "Loose Canon".

    Ramen.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Dec. 26, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    If I eat spaghetti more then twice a week does that make me a religious zealot or an anti- flying spaghetti monster?

    If I eat linguine do I have to repent?

    Is the Flying spaghetti monster gluten free?

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    Dec. 25, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    had a wonderful service last night at the local pasta factory down here in st. george. very inspiring!!

  • Stay the Course Salt Lake City, utah
    Dec. 25, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    now scientist I dont agree with you in anyway shape or form
    but I did get a kick out of your comments

  • Contrariusest mid-state, TN
    Dec. 25, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Merry Christmas!

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Dec. 25, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Contrariusest,

    On that we agree.

  • Contrariusest mid-state, TN
    Dec. 25, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    @Twin Lights --

    "Are you seriously arguing that the FSM is in any way religiously important to you or to anyone?"

    Nah.

    The only serious point I'm trying to make here is that people shouldn't take themselves too seriously. Humor is not the enemy of the Good. I wouldn't want to believe in a God who didn't love to laugh.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Dec. 25, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Contrariusest,

    Are you seriously arguing that the FSM is in any way religiously important to you or to anyone? It is a satire of religion, nothing more.

  • Contrariusest mid-state, TN
    Dec. 25, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    @Semi-Strong --

    "Mormons not specifically but Christians in general when you put such a display next to a creche as if it had religious meaning to anyone."

    Who are you to declare what does or does not have religious meaning to someone? Why can't religion be humorous?

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 25, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Contrariusest,

    Mormons not specifically but Christians in general when you put such a display next to a creche as if it had religious meaning to anyone.

  • Contrariusest mid-state, TN
    Dec. 24, 2013 11:52 p.m.

    @Semi-Strong --

    "But when others make fun (typically in a much more pointed way) it becomes something quite different."

    And how exactly does the FSM damage the Mormon -- or even Christian -- communities in any way?

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 24, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    Contrarius,

    ALL communities (faith and otherwise) make fun of themselves. But when others make fun (typically in a much more pointed way) it becomes something quite different.

    Surely we all recognize that?

    Next time someone takes a pointed shot at the homosexual community, I am sure you will be fine with it.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 24, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Faith isn't complete without a dusting of shredded parmesan cheese.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 24, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    So is eating spaghetti an equivalent to communion for the CoFSM or is it sacrilege? (Perhaps sacrilicious).

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 24, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    Contrarius,

    So humor mocking the homosexual community is a good thing?

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Dec. 24, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    I understand why traditionally religious folks get offended when they encounter the profound truths of Pastafarianism: they like commands and control, but the FSM is only smart enough for random.

    When the FSM placed the first humans in the Olive Garden of Eatin' they were not given "commandments" to obey. But as the FSM is wont to do, they were given the "8 I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts", which I try to follow faithfully when it suits me.

    I know that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, and that the FSM was boiled for my sins in that very hot teapot.

    As a faithful Pastafarian Pirate, I celebrate Pasta-over each spring, and Ramen-dan in July or June (or whenever I get the urge to bark at the moon). In remembrance that he boiled for my sins, I fast every Friday then carb load while chanting "carbo diem". I believe in the teachings and miracles of Elder Pastitsios, and I place a symbolic meatball under my pillow in his honor.

    Come worship with us.

  • Contrariuserer mid-state, TN
    Dec. 24, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    @Semi-Strong --

    "How easy it is to mock."

    And fun, too.

    " Humor is experienced across all ages and cultures. In positive psychology, humor is studied in a variety of functions, particularly as a coping mechanism and as a character strength in the broaden-and-build theory. An empirical definition of humor remains elusive due to its dependence on and variance across cultures. However, humor is correlated with good self-efficacy and resilience."

    Humor is a Good Thing.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Dec. 24, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    @Semi-Strong – “How easy it is to mock.”

    I actually got a good laugh out of both the article and the 1st two comments, but it didn’t feel like mockery – more like satire.

    And while I agree with the project of keeping our civic institutions secular – and taking advantage of open displays is one way to achieve this – I am not in favor of mocking people’s faith just for the fun of it (countering bad reasoning or too much political power is an entirely different matter).

    Now if someone were to place a FSM next to a nativity scene on private/church property, that would not only be mocking but incredibly tacky and the act of, well… a jerk.

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 24, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    How easy it is to mock.

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Dec. 24, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    All hail the Great Spaghetti Monster and His Noodly Appendage!

    And pass the spaghetti sauce!

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Dec. 24, 2013 3:50 a.m.

    I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the FSM created the universe through his unintelligent design. Look around at the world and you see proof of "incompetent design".

    For example, ectopic pregnancies from the bad design of a cavity between the ovary and the fallopian tube in the female reproductive system.

    Dumb.

    Almost all animals and plants synthesize their own vitamin C, but humans cannot because the gene for this enzyme is defective.

    Not smart.

    FSM designed the femur and pelvis in whales, "wisdom teeth" in humans, and gave moths instinct to fly into a flame.

    And where there is unintelligent design, there must be an unintelligent designer: the FSM!

    As a Pirate myself, I always strive to stir the waters of belief in the hopes of converting just a few more Pirates to His Noodly Goodness.

    RAmen and RAmen.