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1,500 rally to celebrate unexpected decision that led to gay weddings in Utah

Published: Monday, Dec. 23 2013 6:50 p.m. MST

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canduny
Tucson, AZ

Welcome to the joys of gay marriage! And in about two or so years, we shall also welcome about half of you to the nightmare of gay divorce.

RedneckLefty
St. George, UT

"you'd have to be non-human to not feel good for them."

Yup. That's what this tide is turning on.

It's one thing to think that gay marriage in the abstract is a threat to the family. It's quite another thing to think that the gay couple down the street, who are such great people and such great parents, and who just invited you to their wedding, are a threat to your family.

The Mormon Church preaches Family, Family, Family. So it should come as no surprise when more and more Mormons refuse to turn their backs on their gay sons and brothers, daughters and sisters.

The Mormon Church also taught me to listen to my heart. That's what I told people for two years on my mission: read this book and come to church and pray, and you'll feel its truth. So it should come as no surprise when more and more Mormons listen to their hearts and their hearts tell them that MORE love and commitment in this world can't be a bad thing, nor can the happiness of people who promise that love and commitment through marriage.

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

"After a while the gentiles will gather in Salt Lake City by the thousands, and this will be among the wicked cities of the world.” Heber C. Kimball, May 1868

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Some commenters tend to equate Christians with pro-traditional marriage and non-religious persons with pro-same-sex-marriage. "You are Christian or not", said Christoph in a previous comment, to imply that Christians have only one choice. However, millions of Christians are in favor of SSM, simply because they feel it is the Christian thing to do. "A majority of Catholics in the United States who attend Mass weekly support same-sex marriage, according to a Quinnipiac University survey released October 4, 2013." Moreover, various Christian churches, including American Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Evangelical Lutherans support SSM, which they recognize as the loving, committed relation between two mature and consenting adults. Other churches can, of course, refuse to do so. But in time, the discrimination will become untenable, like with interracial marriage.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@Kalindra:

"The lawyers for the State of Utah presented no evidence that prohibiting same-sex marriage furthers a social goal nor that it prevents a social harm. They were able to present no socially valid reason why same-sex couples should not be allowed to marry."

I haven't seen the transcripts for this. Are they out? In any event, I think that it is fantastic that the attorney defending the position of the state of Utah would not use the argument that expanding the definition of marriage to include a class of couples who whose unions would never be able to procreate would not dilute the definition of the institution. Did their arguments simply consist of quoting the Bible?

I think that your reasoning has the underlying assumption that some people with certain religious viewpoints should be excluded from political participation (i.e. disenfranchised) because the their religious views have poisoned their logic. How far should we extend this reasoning? Should we have a religious test for public office? Everyone can vote, but only for candidates that are religiously correct. You know, like in Iran.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Forget for a minute about whether or not same sex couples will ever be sealed in the Temple. The real challenge for the Church is the question of whether or not Bishops, who perform civil marriages all the time, will be required by law to perform same sex weddings, or will be prohibited by the Church leaders from performing such weddings (or risk being "defrocked")!

wwookie
Payson, UT

So sad to see so many ignorant people that believe happiness comes from the government.
"Now we can be happy", "now I can spend the rest of my life with the one I love", etc, etc
Really? You couldn't do that before? You wait for The government to allow you to be happy?

Good luck finding happiness. If you weren't happy before, you're not going to be any happier now that you have a piece of paper in your hand.

By the way, I have five magic beans to sell you.

Yorkshire
City, Ut

@10CC

Thanks to your enlightening us, NOW I know what it feels like to be non-human!

Ricardo Carvalho
Provo, UT

Congratulations to the 700 happy couples!

evansrichdm
west jordan , UT

Give it time and soon all churches will be told we got to preform gay marriages and allow them in our temple. For those saying this will not happen give it time. Now rather the LDS church will give into this I do not see that happening even with a gun pointed at the church head.

What I do see happening when the gays go after the LDS church to allow gay temple marriages is that the church start paying taxes on the temples.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

Poorly written headline: The headline says 700 marriage licenses. I wasn't sure if that is 700 total licenses (gay and straight, since after all straights need a license too), or 700 gay marriage licenses. I had to read quite deep into the article to find out the answer.

utahboni
Ogden, UT

Woot! What a Christmas present to hundreds of people who probably never thought this would happen in Utah of all places. Joy to you and yours.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

@10CC "Watching the excitement of adults who looked like 5 year old kids this morning, you'd have to be non-human to not feel good for them." What about a bunch of people who had had too much to drink, also thinking they were very very happy - should I feel good for them, knowing their pleasure was temporary and was to be followed by a hangover?

@ Kalindra: women wearing pants or people eating cheesburgers cannot be compared to gay marriage. The former things do not deeply affect family/society; gay marriage definitely does.

@ everyone who compares allowing gay marriage to allowing interracial marriage, and says someday we'll look back and think how backward we once were before gay marriage was allowed: how many of you support abortion as a form of birth control? You will also look back someday and realize how wrong abortion just for birth control was. But when you finally understand God's plan for families you will realize gay marriage was wrong too.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@K from Mchenry, Il

Why does it matter what is "ordinary?" This is not an "ordinary" situation. Why does someone from Illinois even care? HOw does a Utah ruling have any effect on someone from Illinois?

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Polygamy, polyandry and bestiality next! We wouldn't want to discriminate against anyone would we?

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Even in California the ruling against Proposition 8 was stayed. The refusal to stay this ruling is an example of ignoring proper legal proceedings and clearly a recipe for anarchy and disorder.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

The form of marriage needs to link it to child rearing. Thus we need a man/woman form, the only form that can create children.

The religious freedom rights of many individuals are now threatened by many people. This is scary. Will all Utah florists, bakers and photographers now live in fear of being forced to support weddings that they feel are direct violations of God's commandments. It is a sad day for religious freedom.

Contrariusier
mid-state, TN

@The Deuce --

"...polygamy is legal...."

Nope.

Individual rights are always limited by harm.

Polygamy, incest, etc. convey significantly increased risks of harm compared to other forms of marriage.

Gay marriage does not.

It's a simple distinction.

Look up the harm principle.

@Rhonda H. --

"Gays and lesbians cannot be 'married'."

More than 700 licenses right there in Utah say you're wrong.

@pragmatistferlife --

"What happened to the rant of we're not a democracy we're a republic?"

We are both. We are not a PURE democracy -- we are a CONSTITUTIONAL, representative democracy. The essential term here is CONSTITUTIONAL.

@canduny --

"And in about two or so years, we shall also welcome about half of you to the nightmare of gay divorce."

So far, gay marriages appear to have roughly half the divorce rate of straight marriages. Maybe straight couples should take some lessons from the gays on that one.

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The county clerks who are refusing to issue marriage licenses are in contempt of court. I applaud the couple who filed a lawsuit against one of them -- but they should all be fined, fired, or otherwise punished for their refusal to obey the law.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@RedneckLefty,

If your church had more people like you, there would be no need for a missionary program. Unfortunately so many of your brethren have the complete opposite outlook. But you are the type of Mormon that I try to tell myself still exists. Thank you.

Matt9898
Salt lake, UT

@christoph
Are you saying that only gay couples are sinners and no heterosexual (traditional) marriage partners are sinners? If you are truly saying that sinners should not be allowed to marry, then my man, there will be no marriages of any type in the land.

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