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Published: Monday, Dec. 23 2013 6:35 p.m. MST

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A Scientist
Provo, UT

Forget for a minute about whether or not same sex couples will ever be sealed in the Temple. The real challenge for the Church is the question of whether or not Bishops, who perform civil marriages all the time, will be required by law to perform same sex weddings, or will be prohibited by the Church leaders from performing such weddings (or risk being "defrocked")!

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Welcome to painfully puritanical Utah...where equal rights apply to only about70% of the populace.
Laws do not come from religion. So gripe all you want.

LeslieDF
Alameda, CA

The judge ruled. Some people do not like his decision. Presented with his qualifications and background, the Congress and people of Utah find nothing disagreeable.

To keep asking "On what established precedent did he base this most recent decision?" means you have not read his opinion. It's readily available on the web, short and to the point. It's quite clear how and why his decision was made.

To then say we should not have a legal system that relies on precedent is way off topic and, yet another excuse for "I do not agree with the judge's decision."

There are judges all across our country deciding cases and giving their opinions each day. Some alone, others in panels. And there are ways for each decision to be reviewed, confirmed, modified, or overturned.

When you then still disagree, are impatient, or want him removed, go the heart of these cases: What is the harm you have suffered? There have to be rational arguments for objections to a court decision.

There are none in the criticisms here. "I do not like his decision" has no useful purpose for law, or government or progress in our society.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Why vote? Voting is a waste of time thanks to this so called, "Judge".

Jason Williams
Los Angeles, CA

Judge Shelby will go down in history as a courageous defender of equal rights. His decision will have a ripple effect in helping spread marriage equality across the entirety of the United States.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

It is amazing how people in Utah forget their own history. Polygamy was a big part of this culture and even after the Manifesto,the Church continued to practice clandestine marriages well until the early 1900's. (My Great grandfather married multiple wives in 1911). It is just funny that was OK? As for majority rule, I'm glad that isn't what the framers of the constitution wanted. If that was the case so many laws would be passed against minority groups, such as Blacks, Native Americans, and yes even Mormons. Popular vote when it violates civil laws and rights must be overturned. These are the same arguments that we saw with the Civil rights movement, and women's rights. Early Mormons including my family were persecuted by so called majority votes.

higv
Dietrich, ID

@red corvette Pontias Pilate was a true profile of courage too I guess.

higv
Dietrich, ID

I think the majority of the people in the US did not favor slavery or segregation and the US ended those things quicker than some other countries do.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

By time this get s to the Supreme Court Hillary will be appointing justices.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@Third Barker

I guess voting trumps civil rights. I'm sure that what the founders intended.

FT
salt lake city, UT

I have read on this site that many posters believe our U.S. constitution was created with the help of God. If you beleive that to be true, one probably belives that God truly works in mysterious ways that we may not always understand. In time you will discover what many of us already know. Our society and America became stronger last week.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Many of you whine about judges over-ruling popular votes...

Well,
I remember a time not too long ago when GW Bush was selected, and not elected -- per judges and the Constitution.

Which brings me to my next point,
Just WHO is it that is trampling the Constitution?

You really can't have it both ways...hypocrites.

one old man
Ogden, UT

higv -- the United States was the LAST country in the world to officially outlaw slavery. You need to go back and have a talk with your high school history teacher.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

It is nice to see some Republicans and Democrats see a little light here. States' Rights is not just a phrase; it's a living, breathing reality. This is not a federal role, nor a government role,nor a civil right! It is not hatred, bigotry, or America living up to its Constitutional heritage. It is a states' rights and it is about time that a few people began to realize that DOMA should never have been passed and that it is a state issue! The battle lines are just beginning to be formed and this is a great beginning point. The Civil War did not need to be fought to rid the country of the evils of slavery. Slavery would have ended if it had been allowed to die on the vine and 600,000 lives would have been spared! If Gay marriage is a good idea, it will die or live on its own merit, not because the federal government said it was good or bad! Wake up America to your Constitutional heritage and liberty!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

bandersen
Saint George, UT

The Civil War did not need to be fought to rid the country of the evils of slavery.

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You are right - sort of -
It was fought over those who thought "STATES" rights, superceded and trumped Federal level rights and the United States Constitution.

It's why pre-Civil-War Joseph Smith ran for President of the United States on a platform of stronger FEDERAL rights [see pre-Civil-War Pres. Martin Van Buren refering to Missouri State Gov. Lilburn Boggs and the State's "Extermination Order" against Mormons -- "Your cause is just, but I can do nothing for you;"]

History and the Prophet didn't agree with you that a State can supercede the National Constitution.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@banderson

"This is not a federal role, nor a government role,nor a civil right"

The US Supreme Court (who I trust more than you) disagrees with you.

Loving v. Virginia, 1967 "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival...."

You may not like it, and you might think gay people are second-class citizens, but you cannot force your majority will upon the minority in regards to civil rights.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@A Scientist -- Bishops will not be required by law to marry gay couples just as they are not now required to marry strangers who walk in off the street who happen to be heterosexual. Homosexual marriages are not going to be treated differently from heterosexual marriages (i.e. given special treatment).

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Although your understanding of history in regards to JS and states rights is awesome, I do believe your conclusions about the similar conditions today is not. States'rights were considerably weakened after the civil war and became the seed bed for striking down a religious right later (polygamy). Ironies abound! states rights is not a static or dead edifice of our constitution. Those who feel their right to decide has been diminished by the federal government's power will turn to this provision as a way to restrain and limit which by and large has led to laws that will negatively affect family life and religious liberty, something any true blooded patriot will look forward to confronting with the same powers that are being used to limit them. Ps. Joseph smith would have been at minimum non-plussed, if not dumbfounded, by gay marriage. I hardly think he would have thought this as a positive development in human rights, let alone light and truth.

higv
Dietrich, ID

@One old man you are saying slavery does not exist today? In the US slavery was only legal for less than 9 decades. As an institution existed before our country and many people here in colonial times lobbied to end it. Many countries ended it after we did and it still exists in many places.

I wonder if judges overruling the majority could be comparable to apartheid in South Africa where a minority ruled for a long time. Judges overruled the will of the people on this and many other issues.

iPWNblAX
Salt Lake City, UT

What is wrong with gay marriage? Opponents of Equality say gay marriage is not a traditional marriage. Ok, what about interracial marriage? That wasn't traditional either. Try to be consistent.

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