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Governor, state attorneys say decision leaves Utah in 'chaos'

Published: Monday, Dec. 23 2013 11:20 a.m. MST

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Ron Hilton
Holladay, UT

I fully expect that at least one of the already-licensed same sex couples intends to file suit against the LDS church for not being allowed to marry in a Temple. It's only a matter of when, not if. I sympathize with same-sex partners who would like to have some of the legal conjugal rights traditionally associated with marriage, but this is not the way to achieve that. Same-sex "marriage" has only one purpose - to attack the traditional family and the religious freedom of those who cherish it. I guess public is going to have to have that fact shoved right into their face before they understand.


Is not polyandry same-sex marriage? In polyandry, you've got multiple men and women married/sealed to each other. For that matter, isn't polygamy also a form of same-sex marriage? Aren't the sisters in a polygamous marriage members of one big family (rather than a bunch of separate families)?

mid-state, TN

@patriot --

"First of all this activist judges ruling is NOT constitutional and will be overturned..."

Ummmm.....was it you or procuradorfiscal who so confidently claimed a just a few weeks ago that Hawaii would never legalize same sex marriage? It was some user with a "p" name, in any case.

And I know you're the one who so confidently claimed that I must watch MSNBC -- when in reality I don't even have cable.

And just a day or two ago you were busy claiming that all those polls proving more than 50% nationwide support for gay marriage must have been conducted in San Fran.

Your predictive powers aren't looking very reliable right now.

In reality, this ruling will stand. It's the only possible ruling under the US Constitution -- and Utah's attorneys have utterly failed to provide any evidence in support of their claims.

@bandersen --

"Your answer is comical! "

I'm always happy to spread a little sunshine.

But comical or not, my answers are correct.

Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

We are encouraged to promote the message of the Family Proclamation to the leaders of our nation. Does it not say that in the Proclamation? If one can't stand up to their own believes sit down and watch. I will stand with my beliefs and the Church I fess to believe in. We have two meanings here of marriage . One of God's and one of Mans. Witch one will you follow?

Buffalo, NY

... This is civil marriage people, no church or faith is being forced to perform "Marriage Equality" ceremonies. That's left up to each religious organization. This is simply "Separation of Church and State" as Jefferson supported. This is about financial/legal rights as well as being on the right side of history. We've had "Marriage Equality" here in NYS for many months and it's celebrated and welcomed here!

mid-state, TN

@procuradorfiscal --

"Saying don't make it so."

Of course not. But all the courts to which this issue have been brought, in states all across the country, have come to the same conclusion -- including the Supreme Court. And, oddly enough, I trust them to know more about both the law and the Constitution than you do.

btw -- didja see the short article about the judgment in Ohio today? You can add that court to the tally as well.

"In his lengthy decision, the Cincinnati-based judge says that "once you get married lawfully in one state, another state cannot summarily take your marriage away.""

Absolutely correct. States won't be allowed to continue ignoring the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution for very much longer.

"Many, many convincing arguments were skillfully made."

They weren't convincing enough to actually convince any of the judges.

"Millions of real Americans agree"


Now anyone who disagrees with you is not a "real" American??

American Fork, UT

I hope as many couples as want to can get married before this gets tied up in appeals. It's been great to see these people so happy.

Riverton, UT

Everyone is so concerned about being on the winning side or the losing side. If you think about how it happened, we all lost. The constitution is a documnent 'of the people, by the people and for the people.' The fact that one person can invalidate the vote of millions of people is scary. You may feel that you have justice in this case, but it really says that we no longer have a democracy or a republic, but rather an oligarchy. A few self-proclaimed wise men and women are telling us that we are too stupid to govern ourselves. That isn't what the constitution was set up for. Everyone should be afraid of the implications.

Salt Lake City, UT

procuradorfiscal: "...[T]he fact that a handful of corrupt, partisan 'judges' hold desperately, resolutely to their prejudices and preconceived notions, is evidence more of their transparent self-interest and perfidy, than of the legitimacy or skill of the arguments made on behalf of real America."

My irony meter not only pegged its needle but leapt in the air and crashed to the floor in pieces with that one, as did my "No True Scotsman" fallacy meter. The statement is beyond calibration. The ones clinging "resolutely to their prejudices and preconceived notions" with illegitimate arguments in this case are not the judges. As to the "real" America? It's bigger in heart and broader in vision than you can imagine.

As others have requested of you previously to no avail, please substantiate your claim of Judge Shelby's corruption with evidence.

Bountiful, Utah

I'm sorry that this has happened. The scriptures are adamant and the Church must follow the admonition of the Lord regardless of judges or personal wants of those involved. Why is this ruling being accepted when it is one judge's opinion against what the majority of the state wants. Talk about running rampant upon the belief of others. Why is it that the homosexual community wants us to accept what they do but is unwilling to accept our belief system in turn. We must always accept others as the children of our Father in Heaven but we do not have to accept that which is against our own belief system simply because others want us to. Please respect our beliefs as well.

Eugene, OR


Looks at the pictures that accompany this article.

See all those happy people in line?

That IS "real" America.

I've been posting here for years and have to see an argument against same-sex marriage that doesn't revolve around a paranoid version of "because God said so." If you have one, I'd love to read it.

slc, UT


We would be so likey to be like San Francisco, it is a city of great diversity and a rich cultural life. Diversity is nothing to fear.

West Jordan, UT

The LDS CHurch will never relax its position on Gay Marriage. Some people just don't get it. This is Gods law not the law of man. To procreate you need to have a man and a woman. It's pretty simple. The Bible states in several places that a man and a woman make up a union not two men or two women. Now the Gays and lesbians want to turn those holy words into something that fits their lifestyles. THe LDS people and their leaders love their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. But God will no be mocked. Marriage is between a man and a woman. anything else is an abomination before God!!!

Leesburg, VA

Judge Black in Ohio just sided with SSM being allowed in Death Certificates.

He stated:,
Black wrote that "the fact that a form of discrimination has been 'traditional' is a reason to be more skeptical of its rationality."

"No hypothetical justification can overcome the clear primary purpose and practical effect of the marriage bans ... to disparage and demean the dignity of same-sex couples in the eyes of the state and the wider community," Black wrote."

This is bigger than Utah, this is becoming the emancipation of love in the United States of America.

Boston, MA

Judicial tyranny will not stand the test of time.


...and so...another step closer to the second coming.
The signs of the times are all around us.
Are you ready?

San Diego, CA

Just like in other places, the arrival of gay marriage will not cause a stir in most peoples' lives at all. Get over it. Don't want a gay marriage? Don't have one.

Boise, ID

@bostonjoe, @thomasjefferson ~ I work and pay my taxes...gay people work and pay their taxes. I enjoy the right to marry the woman I chose and obtain the benefits of my marriage through tax breaks, survivor benefits and literally thousands of other federal and state benefits guaranteed me as a married American citizen. Gay people are American citizens the same as you and no one, not you, me nor anyone else can deny an American citizen the same rights you have. That is written in the Constitution. It is plain and simple. If you don't like it you may move to North Korea or Russia. Also...plain and simple.

Sandy, UT

As a Latter day Saint, I'd rather have God's respect than that of the World's.

This is not about "civil rights" or "marriage," it's about the growing war on religion. After same-sex "marriage" is the law of the land in all 50 states (and it will be, in time), the 1st Amendment will slowly, but surly be ripped to shreds, and all religious people, Christian or not, who disagree with homosexual behavior will be persecuted to the extreme by those who claim "tolerance."

What a sad year 2013 has been for America and the World...

Salt Lake City, UT

Congratulations to all those who got married this weekend!

And I look forward to hear about those who will do so in the future.

If you think a stay against gay marriage will end the issue here in Utah, you have ignored the other x17 states in just x9 years. Gutting Prop 8 and DOMA. And now, the marriages here in Utah.

Tell me again how LGBT are 'loosing' this battle. I rather enjoy the irony.

You can cite your God as much as you like. Let me be clear:

I don't care.

As a tax-paying American citizen, I should have access to the 1,100+ rights given to straight couples.

Since, gay couples are more then willing to adopt and give a home to many unwanted children from those straight couples.

The train has left the station after MA allowed gay marriage in 2004. Now, the question is only what LGBT married couples will sue for. Since they are now factually being denied rights and legal protections, under their legally validated marriages.

Those against marriage now face the question of WHEN it will be legal.

Not 'if'.

So please, stop calling LGBT and their marriages a 'curse', insults, etc.


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