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Governor, state attorneys say decision leaves Utah in 'chaos'

Published: Monday, Dec. 23 2013 11:20 a.m. MST

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Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

What's next!? Women getting the right to vote?

Thanks OBAMA

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Nobody said gay marriage leads to polygamous marriages. Re-defining "marriage" to include homosexual couples opens the door for re-defining it to include polygamous couples.

I don't see how you can make the Equal Protection case for Gay marriages... and deny equal protection to polygamous people who want to marry. IF we deny them that... have we not denied them equal protection under the law?

So how long will it be before someone goes to court and gets the same judgement that according to the equal protection clause they must be allowed to legally marry as well?

I think that's what they are getting at.


The precedent has now been made that ANY relationship you can think of MUST (by equal protection) be allowed.

It will be pretty easy to make the case for polygamy after gay marriage has plowed the ground and made the case that ANYbody who wants to marry must by law be allowed to marry and have their marriages considered just as legal, binding, and respected by the law, as any other "marriage".

How can you deny polygamous couples to openly marry now? (remember equal protection).

Provo, UT

The time for this idea has come. There is not much people can do to stop it.

As far as arguments against SSM there are no legs to stand on:

Nature: refuted (various studies)

Reproduction: refuted (sterile hetero couples)

Tradition: not much of a leg

Religion: Refuted. Seen as bigot, don't believe in that God.

Morals: Refuted: New morality, who are you to say right and wrong.

Good game


I am glad that there are laws protecting children against adults, no matter what gender, who would attempt to sexually abuse them.

If you are under 18 and you are sexually assaulted by an adult, no matter what their relationship is to you, just report it to the police and that assailant will be put behind bars and kept away from you for at least the number of years it takes for you to be old enough to be on your own.

Poplar Grove, UT

Um, no. All major polls pointed to a close Obama victory. The only person calling a Romney victory was Karl Rove. Go youtube his fox news appearance and watch him freak out when the election is called for Obama.

Salt Lake, UT

Potsdam, 00

"What people cannot understand, is the will of children, that are trampled under boots of ignorance.
There is Harm done to them, since they cannot choose or decide upon their fate, they must go where the adult-world is telling them to go."

Funny, I feel the same way about those poor kids who are raised in religious households. It is so sad that they have to be ignorant of the actual world and believe in these fantastical myths. But then these are NOT MY CHILDREN and so none of my business.

Poplar Grove, UT

Gods laws are not mans laws. You're allowed to believe whatever you want. And I know that in Utah many laws based purely on LDS theology exist(go look at the liquor laws and tell me they aren't due to LDS theology) But civil rights are non negotiable in court, and when the argument in court is basically. Well we don't like it, and our god doesn't believe we should do it that in itself is a reason to strike down a law. This is America, you can believe whatever you want, but you don't get to pass laws based on your religion. My question is why religious conservatives lost their minds about Sharia Law, yet have no problem with trying to impose their religion on the rest of us. I'm from Utah. If I wanted to be LDS I could find multiple people to bring me in. But if i'm not LDS why should I have to follow your religion?

Pleasanton, CA

So where do we draw the line for right and wrong if not for our personal beliefs. I'm as much using religion as you are using the lack of religion to justify your decisions. The problem here is that people will continue to change the definitions of right and wrong. Right now it's set to a trend of wrong being considered right. Isaiah 5:20 For a long time, homosexuality has been considered wrong and sinful. People that are homosexual have been considered sick. I'm sure years ago nobody would be able to fathom the acceptance of homosexuality. Well, right now child molesters are wrong, sinful and often sick. But what happens when and if they start demanding rights to marry the kids they coerce into relationships? What if that kid believes the adult loves them and that they love the adult? It's all love, right? It's consensual, right? Who are we to deny their love and right to love? Where do we draw the line, and when does that line stop being pushed? It's a slippery slope.. You may laugh, but people probably laughed at the "extreme" thought of homosexuals being allowed to marry.

Holladay, UT

I'm a fifth generation proud Utahn whose ancestors crossed the plains. I support the ruling with all my heart and am pleased our gay brothers and sisters are finally getting afforded equal rights.

It's a great day to be a Utahn and an American!

Tooele, UT

Re: "And here comes the Hatred!"

Well, that's refreshing. A liberal who's man enough to admit he's a hater. So few will, these days.

I reserve my hate, not for people, but for their actions. The actions of this corrupt "judge" will go down in history, along with those of the self-interested California "judge" that ruled against millions of Californians in a vain attempt to legitimize and force acceptance of his own marriage plans.

Both "judges" know better. Both "judges" know they are not free to overrule the US Supreme Court. They both know their decisions are unsupported, both in law and fact. They know they were made in their own selfish interest, not in the interest of either LGBT activists, or of the real America they swore an oath to protect.

They chose to knowingly violate that oath, the ethics and integrity of their profession, and, worst of all, the Constitution. And, they've probably convinced themselves their perfidy was justified because it obtained for them some kind of victory.

It didn't.

Lindon, UT

ThinksIThink: No way will the LDS Church ever allow a gay to marry a gay or a lesbian to marry a lesbian in any of their temples. It is a fundamental part of the doctrine of the Church that a gay or lesbian relationship is not pleasing or lawful in the eyes of God. Please refer to "The Family A Proclamation To the World", which states that "man and woman" are to be united for the purpose of procreating God's spirit children, to be born into the world. This doctrine is fundamental to the Church and can never change. Men and women can and do change aspects of their lives, even natural affection and sometimes even their gender, but God will not allow His doctrine to be changed. And the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who are the governing quorums of the Church will not change God's doctrine. Wouldn't hold my breath very long that this change will be forthcoming.

City, Ut

Interesting the Utah LDS wedding cake bakers and photographers and florists are finding themselves having to thinking about dealing with this years before they thought they would have to.......

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

I have always felt the importance of participating in the workings of government, that it was my personal duty to vote and be informed and involved. Judge Shelby has now shown me with his ruling on marriage in the state of Utah that the tyranny of the Judiciary supersedes the democratic process and tha the will of the people can be changed by one person. Shame on Judge Shelby.

To those who will call me out and say "but marriage is a Constitutional right for all persons", the answer is NO it is not a Constitutional right. Sinice 1787 it has not been a Constitutional right, and the present Supreme Court has, although having had opportunities, has not declared it to be "Constitutional".

truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

Are any same sex marriage certificates being given out in Utah county?

San Diego
Orem, UT

Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.


Courts cannot invent rights. They seem to think they can, and have been actively trying to do so for the past 50 years, but rights are not inventions of the state. Rights come from natural law, which is intrinsic to human beings and is issued, beyond the power of any government to litigate, from the Creator of all mankind.

The courts may claim that there is a right to marriage, just as they claim there is a right to abortion, just as some now claim there is a right to "free" health care…that does not make it so. The court is run by men and its opinions and rulings change and contradict each other all the time. A hundred years ago the court would lot have ruled as it does today and it will probably not rule the way it does today a hundred years from now. Judges are political appointees, and their rulings tend to represent the political agenda of whoever is in power—not objective legal principles, in which justification for these rulings is nowhere to be found.

tucson, az

Gay marriage is not the enlarging an institution, it is the destruction of an honored institution. The celebrants can expect continual opposition and civil disobedience.

Just one more opinion
Pleasant Grove, UT

After reading the comments sections regarding this particular subject, I personally can't say there is any productive reason to bother with offering an opinion. The lines are drawn and the opinions are so polarized that it's virtually nill that one side is going to convince the other (not saying which one) that their view point is in any way valid, but only to those who are choosing to defend their personal beliefs guarded in faith, may I suggest the following bit of text from a very old book. Mathew Chapter 7 vs 6.

Cedar Hills, UT


My wife has taught for 18 years in Utah Valley and knows no gay teachers but that's not to say a few didn't slip through the cracks. My point is there is a UNIVERSE of difference between the two valley's as far as culture (Salt Lake vs Utah) and I suspect 99% of this gay marriage fall out is going to happen north of the point of the mountain...until the Supreme Court overrules the activist judge and restores Utah's constitution to the people. As with San Francisco, there are beautiful places to live outside the city in neighboring communities ...just don't go near the city itself. Having gone to many JavaOne tech conferences there things can be quite....scary inside the city if you know what I mean.


Also, the nastiness of some of these comments directed towards the Church belies any claim of "tolerance" or belief in "equality" among those making them. And if you think that the Church will EVER allow same-sex sealings, you are a fool—ignorant of the doctrines that are most fundamental to the Church's teachings, which come from God, not the vain whims of men.

There is nothing about this ruling to celebrate. It represents gross abuse of federal power, part of a drawn-out, nationwide attack against the core meaning of the family, shifting it from being about children to about selfish adults instead. As with everything today, to the detriment of society as a whole. Future generations will not even know what the concept of a "mother" and a "father" is, like something out of Huxley's prophetic dystopian novel Brave New World. They will become disposable commodities with little more value than status symbols or fashion accessories, for people who pretend to be parents but are not, in any real sense of the word.

This is the world "progressives" have wrought for themselves and their posterity. They cannot blame anyone else for the consequences thereof.

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