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Governor, state attorneys say decision leaves Utah in 'chaos'

Published: Monday, Dec. 23 2013 11:20 a.m. MST

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mornixuur
Layton, UT

"What I think is sad is that twice now, once in California and now in Utah, the citizens have passed a constitutional ammendment and a single judge can overturn it."

Yes, it's heartbreaking when people vote to turn others into second-class citizens and that pesky Constitution gets in the way.

If someone else having the same privileges you do is burning you this bad, you must have a really easy life.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

If there wasn't a solid reason in the first place, it hasn't changed. Let the weddings continue.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

UteExpat:
Thank you. The perfect quote for the situation coming directly from the Articles of Faith.

jeru0455
SALEM, OR

Now the only question is: how long until the LDS church claims that they supported gay marriage all along, were consistent in that support, and that's the reason that Utah was among the first states to approve gay marriage?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@USNGary
"Utah should just make a new law that is constitutional and BAN gay marriages"

You can't, since you already have it and it's been overturned in the court, you have to play with the hand you were dealt which is seeing this one through the appeals process.

If you were to try and start a new one it'd face an immediate lawsuit before it could even go into effect.

@JNA
"Homosexuality is wrong and usually the beginning of the end for a civilization."

There is not a single civilization on Earth that has ever collapsed as a direct result of acceptance of homosexuality.

@Spydee
"What I think is sad is that twice now, once in California and now in Utah, the citizens have passed a constitutional ammendment and a single judge can overturn it."

What's sad is that you think you can violate the US Constitution and not have that law properly struck down by the courts.

micawber
Centerville, UT

@procuradorfiscal. If you have evidence that Judge Shelby is corrupt, please present it. If not, you should tone down the rhetoric.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

Funny how judges are "corrupt" or "ruling from the bench" when they make a decision you disagree with. Sour grapes is all I see.

Wilson says: "People are thinking they are so much more knowledgeable than God . .
It's not my place to judge you, but what you're doing is wrong."

It would be difficult to write a parody of sour, hand-wringing social conservatives funnier than that. If you don't see the humor there, pointing it out would be futile.

USNGary says: "A man cannot have a baby and a woman cannot procreate with another woman."

I can't believe people are still making this argument, as the inability to procreate extends to straight people as well. Do you support a ban on sterile couples from marrying?

Procuradorfiscal says: "This sowing of the wind can never produce the result to which the LGBT clearly aspire -- enforced acceptance of their pet vice by real Americans."

*SNICKER!* I don't think we define "real 'Mericans" the same way, Hoss. And again, you miss the point: it's irrelevant whether you accept someone's vice or not. Doesn't involve you; not your business.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Sure glad I live in south Utah County. With BYU and a VERY conservative population it provides a buffer from Salt Lake Valley which is going to deteriorate significantly with this ruling. Wouldn't want to raise my kids in any public school in Salt Lake Valley going forward. Expect an explosion of gay teachers and other collateral damage.

Ranch
Here, UT

@JNA;

I don't care if the LDS church marries LGBT couples in the temple or not, but I do think it should lose it's tax-exempt status for attempting to violate the civil rights of American Citizens though.

VariedHue says:

"Why wasn't the State forewarned?"

--- You would think that with something this important to their god, he would have given them some heads-up, wouldn't you?

TheRealU
HERRIMAN, UT

@antodav

If you are going to call out a Federal Judge for not knowing the Constitution - you should probably know it yourself first.

Utah's 3rd Ammendment is in clear violation of the SUPREME law of the land - the 14th Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The judge probably made the right decision (based on the law).

But the thing that bugs me a little is... the judicial system seems so one-sided. I know if the decision had gone the other way and an injunction was requested to give them time to appeal... they would have been given some time.

I don't like when judges decide their decision is final and can't be appealed.

I do think we would get the same decision in the end, even if it went to the Supreme Court. But it bugs me that this judge won't even grant an injunction while they appeal. When I know they would (and have) granted injunctions when the other side requested them.

ThornBirds
St.George, Utah

The fact that Utah's governor's back round is real estate, rather than the law, may account for his lack of knowledge on the Constitution.
I understand that he is also LDS, so his commitments may be.........
Utah is going to be remembered for other things now.
Perhaps that frequent inquiry most of us experience....
"Hey, are you a Polygamist too?" will not be heard as often?

Visitor from California
Berkeley, CA

From the article: "A team of volunteer clergy and officiators filled the lobby and wandered the halls performing marriages for cheering and weeping strangers." Just a reminder that many religious denominations are perfectly willing to officiate at same-sex marriages. The licenses cover the civil side of marriage, where equality is every citizen's Constitutional right; each church can still decide whether or not to add religious blessings to the mix. Why should any one church get to dictate to the others? One of the key purposes of our Constitution is to preserve minority rights.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Lagomorph --

"I spent several hours at the SL City-County building this morning"

Are congratulations called for? I'm ready to throw the confetti!

@Wilson --

"I'm assuming that the same people that are supporting gay marriage will also support polygamy so long as it's in the name of "love.""

Here we go again.

Individual rights are always limited by harm.

Polygamy, incest, etc. convey significantly increased risks of harm compared to other forms of marriage.

Gay marriage does not.

It's a very simple distinction.

Look up the harm principle.

"See what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. "

Sodom and Gomorrah was about arrogance -- not homosexuality.

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me." (Ezekiel 16:49-50)

TruthIsKing
Syracuse, UT

I am now embarrassed to be a Utahn.

True marriage = one man and one woman.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

JNA says: "Wake up, because the apathy of heterosexual community is going to destroy us."

Huh. And here I thought I was in a community of Americans, including gay, straight, black, white, brown, yellow, left-handed, right-handed, bald, hairy, fat and thin people. I've never once thought of myself as part of "the heterosexual community." Are there annual dues and meetings involved?

Patriot says: "With BYU and a VERY conservative population it provides a buffer from Salt Lake Valley which is going to deteriorate significantly with this ruling. Wouldn't want to raise my kids in any public school in Salt Lake Valley going forward."

More hilarity. You do know that kids don't catch gayness like a virus, right? The funny thing is, more and more children of conservative parents are wondering why their parents are so obsessed with gays' bedroom activities. In 20 years, when Salt Lake Valley has not "deteriorated" in any identifiable, measurable way, will you retract?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@Tumbleweed 12:14 p.m. Dec. 23, 2013

Centerville, UT

Why hasn't the news media checked to see if Judge Shelby is gay? Doesn't the media believe that's an important fact for the public to know?

Wikipedia says:

"Shelby lives in Salt Lake City with his life partner and their two adopted sons."

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That so-called Wikipedia quote is not accurate. I just looked at the page for Robert J. Shelby, a judge in Utah, and it said:

"Shelby lives in Salt Lake City with his WIFE ANGELA and their two adopted sons."

Please -- do better research before you post something like that. Make sure that what you say is true.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Any one had any contact or discussions with Orrin Hatch, Mike Lee and George Bush today?
Love to have been a fly on the wall when the three of them heard what is going on in Utah the past few days.
Those three fellows were the initiators of Judge Shelby's Judicial position.
Can't pin this one on President Obama, sorry folks.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

I don't know about you but since all these militant gays posted all their media-backed propaganda and statistics my opinion has been totally changed.

Not!

One activist judge deciding and then re-deciding to uphold his own liberal interpretation doesn't change much in terms of right and wrong....even if it is legalized. Legal does not equal "right" regardless of how bad they want it to be the case. I'm sure they will keep trying to prove it is though.

They never seem to stop ramming their militant opinions down everyones throat. Its free speech when they express their opinion and it is hate speech when anyone else expresses theirs. Funny how that works.

desert
Potsdam, 00

What people cannot understand, is the will of children, that are trampled under boots of ignorance.
There is Harm done to them, since they cannot choose or decide upon their fate, they must go where the adult-world is telling them to go. Adults are fallen people as we do understand, that the natural man is an enemy to God.

"For the anatural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father."

Since children are in the hands of men by law, they are in the hands of God by spirit.
That means no matter where the rulings will go, God will change the course of history to protect his children. Nodoby can do anything about that, not even the church.
God reigns in heaven.

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