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Governor, state attorneys say decision leaves Utah in 'chaos'

Published: Monday, Dec. 23 2013 11:20 a.m. MST

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Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Hee-haw, just have to laugh at the self deception out there. LEGAL does not = MORAL!

Tumbleweed
Centerville, UT

Why hasn't the news media checked to see if Judge Shelby is gay? Doesn't the media believe that's an important fact for the public to know?

Wikipedia says:

"Shelby lives in Salt Lake City with his life partner and their two adopted sons."

If "life partner" means gay partner that would be important to know inasmuch as the Deseret News has already questioned the skimpy precedent this Judge used to make his decision. If his decision could have been influenced by his bias as a gay person, wouldn't that be an important fact for Utah's citizens to know inasmuch as they already decided by a 2/3 vote that gay marriage should not be permitted in their state?

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Welcome Utah, to the real world.
Real issues.
Real people.
Real love and real lives.

Wilson
Pleasanton, CA

I'm assuming that the same people that are supporting gay marriage will also support polygamy so long as it's in the name of "love." Polygamists aren't bothering anybody. Same with a man that says he loves an underage minor. Are you okay if they get married, so long as they "love" each other? I wonder how much more of a decline we'll see as the American people try to blur the lines of right and wrong. Just goes to show how much more people are confused when left to their own understanding. People are thinking they are so much more knowledgeable than God. 1 Timothy 3 and Romans 1:27 This isn't the first time these sorts of things have happened among the human race, either. See what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. And yet, people are so quick to forget God and instead support the adversary. Gay marriage is NOT of God and every victory for gay marriage is a victory for the adversary. I'm sure people will continue to mock the position I and many others have of homosexuality. It's not my place to judge "you", but what you're doing is wrong.

USNGary
San Diego, CA

Utah should just make a new law that is constitutional and BAN gay marriages.... God said to go into the world and procreate. doing the acts of procreation is not procreation. a man cannot have a baby and a woman can not procreate with another woman.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The 'will of the people' has spoken."

It has. Time and time again. Real people, from coast to coast, have always stood up for traditional marriage, against anything that cheapens or opposes it.

Like LGBT "marriage."

And, time and time again, doctrinaire, self-interested, leftist, lower-court judges have illegally overruled the US Supreme Court, corruptly legislating from the bench, in a coordinated effort to substitute a discredited, unreasoned, unsupportable constitutional construction for that of the Nation's founders and preservers.

Their tactic is corruption. Cheating. Pure and simple.

If LGBT activists were genuinely convinced that their views were supported by a majority of the Nation's real people, they wouldn't be pushing so hard for corrupt, illegal, judicial "solutions."

Like Judge Shelby's.

They would, instead, be crafting valid, supportable legislation -- that many of us might well embrace, assuming proper protection for people of conscience.

This sowing of the wind can never produce the result to which the LGBT clearly aspire -- enforced acceptance of their pet vice by real Americans.

They should, however, worry about reaping a whirlwind of new opposition by their corrupt tactic.

Big Bubba
Herriman, UT

@ Wilf 55,

My last comment was too heavy-handed. What is more important to me than all this marriage debate is being able to sit next to you in church as good friends despite our personal differences of opinion. God Bless.

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Big Bubba said; "... the Church would likely earn more respect from people around the world if it stopped opposing gay marriage. But as we learned in Sunday school, embracing the teachings of the living prophet is not always fashionable, especially in an increasingly secular world."

I agree as far as it concerns our own members who should embrace the prophet's teachings and, indeed, "choose whom they will serve." But taking away the freedom of outsiders is not our duty and does not earn respect.

VariedHue
Logan, UT

If polls were to be believed then Romney would be president. But the election was held and Obama is still president. Utah voted but apparently opinion polls seem to carry more weight than actual elections. Until you can look at the polling questions, how they were written and in what order, polls aren't worth a thing.

zionbob
Salt Lake, UT

12th Article of Faith.

Wilson
Pleasanton, CA

Homosexuality by itself is unsustainable. In fact, a woman cannot procreate without a man or use of a man. It is unnatural and wrong. It is self-serving action, camouflaged by "love." The only reason "educated" judges/lawmakers can say there is no "proof" that this will negatively affect others is because they are left to their limited understanding. It's the same reason the Pharisees/Sadducees thought to question Christ on doctrine. They were blinded by limited understanding. They were always wrong. We know from the past that these things are not tolerable to God who loves all people with a perfect love. Using the word love to justify sin will not work out in the end. How about those who love the adversary more than God. Are they for their love or rebellion? Marriage between man and woman, with the gospel, can help people draw nearer to God. Marriage between same sex couples, ignoring the gospel, will help people draw nearer to the adversary. As much as people will try to ignore those that, it will happen. The more a nation follows the adversary more than God, the less blessed we'll be.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Procuradorfiscal:
"It has. Time and time again. Real people, from coast to coast, have always stood up for traditional marriage, against anything that cheapens or opposes it."

How does same sex marriage cheapen or oppose heterosexual marriage? Is what the LGBT community doing hurting your vows or commitments...if it is you may have much bigger problems.

There was also a time when slavery was endorsed the world over and blacks were brought in as trade goods? People eventually have to wake up and realize their hatred and bigotry don't make for a harmonious and functional society. What I believe to be morally right or wrong doesn't change the rights of citizens to choose who they will spend their lives with and make commitments to.

Spydee
Murray, UT

What I think is sad is that twice now, once in California and now in Utah, the citizens have passed a constitutional ammendment and a single judge can overturn it.

We have a U.S. President who bypasses the constitution and the congress to get what he wants.

We have a Senate who wants to bypass procedures and allow new judges to quickly be appointed (before conservatives gain control again).

When the wicked rule, the people mourn (Proverbs 29:2).

UteExpat
New York, NY

"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

JNA
Layton, UT

This is a terrible sad day for our State and our country. Homosexuality is wrong and usually the beginning of the end for a civilization. So many people have their head in the sand regarding the lies from the gay community that no religion will be forced to marry against their doctrine. There was one honest post on here and it said "At the pace things are changing, I think we will see changes in LDS policy that allows gays to marry in the temple." We will NEVER see the changes in the "LDS policy" but we will see activist who now have their foot in the door have the big bad government force religions to comply.

Now I say honest because it slightly touches on what the gay and lesbian community truly want and that is to force the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to marry same sex couples in the temple or lose any tax exempt status. The door is now open for the gay and lesbian activist to make and all out assault on any and all religions. Wake up, because the apathy of heterosexual community is going to destroy us.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

The Constitution has spoken and yet again proven it works for ALL of it's Citizens.

Thank the Good Lord and God Bless the USA!

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

A very Merry Christmas to all Utahns, in particular to Judge Shelby and to all who get married this week.

VariedHue
Logan, UT

Some of you are under the impression that Judge Shelby's has a precedent. May I remind you that the supreme court declined to rule on California's position. In California, its own supreme court declared it unconstitutional in that state. Judge Shelby has basically ruled that all 50 states must allow same-sex marriage. He has most likely put the US Supreme Court in a bind as throughout history, it has shied away from making landmark precedents unless they absolutely had to as in Brown vs Board of Educ. or Roe vs Wade. Why was the case brought to federal court and not go through the state system first? Why did Judge Shelby claim that he would not be able to have a decision until January 7 at the earliest and then issue his decision two and a half weeks early? Is there a hidden agenda? How did 120 people know to get to the court house so quickly? Were the forewarned about the decision? Why wasn't the State forewarned? Just a few things to think about.

mornixuur
Layton, UT

@procuradorfiscal & antodav: Would this be the same "liberal, activist" judge who was recommended on the floor of the Senate by Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee? Because I don't see them showing a lot of goodwill to liberals.

At this point, I guess whatever excuse makes you feel better, not to mention allows you to dodge the real issue, will be the one you run with.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

procuradorfiscal: "What a surprise that a corrupt, doctrinaire, liberal, Obama-appointed 'judge' would again violate his oath of office, deny due process of law, and take pot shots at the rule of law."

Obama-appointed, yes, but with strong local support.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT): "A man of keen intellect, Robert Shelby is a strong choice to serve on the U. S. District Court. Throughout his legal career, he has demonstrated an unwavering commitment to the law. I look forward to the Judiciary Committee evaluating his nomination." (11/30/2011)

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT): "Whenever we have had a judicial vacancy in Utah, no matter who occupies the White House, I look for a candidate to recommend who is widely respected in the legal community and who can be widely supported by the Senate. Bob Shelby certainly meets that test... Mr. Chairman, I strongly support Bob Shelby’s nomination and commend him to my Committee colleagues." (4/26/2012)

Oh, yeah. I forgot. Hatch is a RINO.

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