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Published: Sunday, Dec. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Kids need their Mom. and Why is their a Union for people who gets paid by tax dollars.

Sal
Provo, UT

No solutions were offered in this article. How do you dismantle the teachers' unions?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Don't just foist it off on the teachers. Our societal disdain for knowledge, introspection and intelligence has produced a generation of entitled bratty kids with miniscule attention spans.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"...the (NEA) spent almost $88 million — more than 20 percent of its entire budget — on "contributions, gifts and grants" that largely funded left-wing and non-education-related causes. Fully 95 percent of its political contributions went to Democratic candidates."

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This is a pattern that has been so consistent over the decades that the NEA really should be considered little more than another fund raising arm of the Democrat party. All to the detriment of the students. The very people to whom these "teachers" are supposedly so dedicated.

Like so much else of the socialist agenda of the progressives, this too is a sham....and a shame.

Really???
Kearns, UT

Perhaps there wouldn't be a need for teachers unions if our government wasn't constantly creating busy work for teachers that actually keeps them from being effective teachers. Perhaps we also need to make parents more accountable for their child's education. Perhaps we also need to make children more accountable for their education. Perhaps we should provide incentives for citizens to support and improve their neighborhood schools. Perhaps we should return to including the fine arts and physical education in schools. Perhaps we need to encourage creativity in our schools--that's where our strength has always been.

We always blame teachers and the unions, but there are many problems that are bringing down education.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I love journalists who have never interviewed a teacher in their lives and who haven't set foot inside a classroom since high school feel like they're experts on writing about education.

We should create a law that anyone who desires to write about education should first teach a week in a public school.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

People who falsely blame workers unions for the failure of product are not the kind of people that I can respect.

Education is like a pizza pie being made by several cooks. Business people, who control the purse strings, wants education to turn out workers trained in the work needed by business. Religion want education to properly indoctrinate their dogma and point the student toward membership. Parents would like education to provide a good financial return for their investment. Kids want education to quell their thirst for knowledge, without too much effort.

I think teachers mostly are teachers because they like it. I'm not a teacher, but to me, the thrill of seeing a young person discover their abilities is priceless. I would like for a teacher to be a ful ltime teacher and not have to spend time defending and balancing the wants of the many managers. A teachers union seems a proper and needed aid to the occupation.

Steve Cottrell
Centerville, UT

I spent 40 years as an educator in Utah Schools. The "union" had no effect on what happened in my classroom. The "professional associations," as I prefer to call them were helpful with salary and benefit negotiations, and with lobbying efforts in the state and national legislatures. Blaming unions for mediocre school performance seems to totally miss the mark.

Most of those countries which have better test score performance regularly have students enrolled in after school and summer programs as well as private tutorials and courses. The associated costs are usually provided by the parents but some countries, and some cities within those countries, also provide some support.

Finally, it is worth noting that most countries run schools for 190 to 220 days each year. The simple computation of days in school results in about one more year of schooling in public schools during grades 1-12. If we want our students to compete, we need to fund additional school days.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Ultra Bob, thank you for a wise voice amid a cacophony of nonsense.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

There's two large public employers that have any unions; the post office and schools. Both are being strangled with idiotic rules by republicans in congress while other public employees without unions have no such interference.

It's about union busting to republicans, they have no interest in education.

Orem Parent
Orem, UT

Wow this article isn't even worthy to line my bird's cage. What a bunch of garbage. There is no union in Utah at all. How do we blame the problems in Utah on something that doesn't exist?

I don't really know why you would want to blame society's problems on a union. The problems come from the disintegrating family in our country. Lack of funding in Utah could be given as yet another huge problem.

Blaming the unions is a cop out.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Seriously?
Blaming the Teachers and their Union??

Go to the mall,
and watch all the Mommies paying attention to their I-phones,
and NOT their children.

The LDS General Authorities have already addressed this,
and the Teachers Unions were never once mentioned.


Stooping to an all time low...

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

The unions have nothing to do with the troubles in Utah education. I mean if the "unions" were so powerful teachers in Utah would actually get a raise over 1% in real pay, no decreasing benefits and not have classes with 40 students. Since, this is the case, their "union" representation stinks.

But as said before, the ills of public education are multi-faceted and unions, even in states where they might have a stronger voice in which Utah doesn't belong, is way down the list.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Heh heh, Richard Berman, the well-known "Dr. Evil" of the lobbying industry, who has made his reputation lobbying for big tobacco, against the minimum wage, etc. Now he gets millions from "unnamed sources" for waging a war on unions. Even his own son, a well-known musician, is disgusted by him. Sometimes it does make sense to "consider the source."

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

This article wants to squash the mouse (teachers union) while ignoring the elephant in the room.

Our public schools are failing because they are a monopoly and monopolies always produce inferior products at higher prices – this truism is Econ 101.

We need to follow the lead of countries like France and Sweden (hardly right-wing dystopias) in creating a properly funded voucher system and let schools compete for your kids.

Doing so will catapult us back in the top ten in no time…

cjb
Bountiful, UT

I don't know about teachers unions, but I have come to realize that people who certify as teachers are not getting the education they should. To get a teacher certification, far too many education classes are required. These are pabulum devoid for the most part of educational value. I know this because my son is studying to become a secondary math teacher.

Require a person wanting to teach to get a degree + 1 semester of education.

Ben H
Clearfield, UT

The only way the Unions can be to blame is if they use their power to block any meaningful reforms. The writer needs to present evidence for this. We tend to think that there is going to be a single catch-all fix for our educational woes. That is the one lesson that we should learn from Obamacare. Fixes for many of our problems are complex and one single swing of the bat isn't going to resolve much.

EJM
Herriman, UT

I have a proposal for the DNews staff responsible for the placement of columns or editorials dealing with pretty much every hot topic issue of the day. Have side by side opposing views on a topic. Then let the bloggers have at it.

RedShirtCalTech
Pasedena, CA

To "Hutterite" you can thank your liberal buddies for the disdain for knowledge and understanding. Just look at what happens on the comment boards if somebody starts quoting scientists that disagree with Man-made climate change theories. They are attacked in nearly every way imaginable, and are ultimately told to stop thinking outside the box and to conform. How much intelligence does it take to conform?

squirt
Taylorsville, ut

WOW another DN opinion slamming teachers and their Association. Garbage in and garbage out!

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