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Published: Saturday, Dec. 21 2013 6:25 p.m. MST

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CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Good heavens. Why do so many people in Idaho, Arizona, etc. have such a stake in the outcome of a UTAH issue? It isn't a Mormon issue, it is a state issue.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Contrariuserer, “Why do you expect anyone to care what the Christian Post writes? “
So you agree Christianity considers homosexuality a sin? .e.g...

Mother Teresa loved those who had same-sex attractions, but she still called them to purity. In fact, it is precisely because she loved them that she called them to practice chastity.
It is a false form of compassion to lead others to think that they can find fulfillment by living outside the will of God.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

When a people want something that is opposed to the divinely revealed and scientifically illustrated integrity of the family unit and demand it be put to vote, then lose the vote, and force their idea and understanding onto everyone around them, to what degree can their idea of "law" be honored or maintained? This is by far not only a problem in Utah and California.

If everything were reversed; if the sanctity of marriage were enforced without regard to law or process despite the majority clammoring otherwise, would they not see a problem with it then?

Contrariusiest
mid-state, TN

@wrz/Miss Piggie/Mr. Bean/Alfred/Neanderthal --

"Cite an example of harm re polygamy/incest in the Constitution."

Not sure what you mean here. It's very easy to cite examples of harm from polygamy and incest. But polygamy and incest themselves are not specifically mentioned in the constitution, just as murder is not.

"there haven't been any gay marriages in the US until recently. ..."

Massachusetts has had gay marriage for 10 years. Canada has had it for 8. Several Scandinavian countries have had gay marriage and/or registered partnerships for roughly 20 years. There's been plenty of time.

"Sorry, but Canada has but a few if any polygamy marriages. Too few for an informed judgement."

There are millions of polygamous marriages around the world. It's very easy to see their effects.

@logicguy --

"If he denies their petition but sides with the gays with their petition it would make his arguments about equal protection under the law sound hollow. "

No it wouldn't.

Polygamy, incest, etc. all convey a significantly increased risk of harm compared to other forms of marriage.

Gay marriage does not.

It's a very simple distinction.

Look up the harm principle.

Contrariusiest
mid-state, TN

@sharrona --

"So you agree Christianity considers homosexuality a sin?"

Of course not.

Some Christians consider homosexuality to be a sin.

Many Christians do not.

Many Christian denominations are already happy to perform gay wedding ceremonies.

Leave religion to the churches. Let the courts practice law instead.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ wrz

"Are you saying my 85yo grandfather can marry his 9yo granddaughter?"

No. Do you not understand the concept of being a consenting adult? Just like our laws say you have to be a certain age to consume alcohol, or to drive, or enlist in the military, you also have to be of a certain age to enter into a marriage.

It's irrelevant what the electorate in Utah want if the law or amendment they vote to pass is unconstitutional. If the ruling by this judge is unconstitutional than it was also unconstitutional to end slavery, segregation, and inter-racial marriage laws.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

higv:
"All laws are based on morality. Dallin H Oak's said that many times in his sermons and writings. So people without legislation can legislate there lack of morality?"

I'm well aware of these teachings, and he is right that laws are based on morality. What you are missing and he has also explained is that constitutional law is based in the protection of our rights as citizens. When one person puts their rights before another and does harm to the rights of another that is, and will always be illegal. Of course these actions are also considered immoral...murder, stealing, extortion, etc are all immoral, AND illegal because the lack of morality in such cases infringes on the civil and human rights of other citizens. So the obvious question that follows is: how does gay marriage harm or infringe on your rights as a citizen?

A church or religious doctrine should NEVER be allowed to dictate state and federal laws on their idea of Gods will. Why? Because we, as citizens worship different gods with different principles. Do you really want our government to decide "Gods will" and then create laws accordingly?

homebrew
South Jordan, UT

All men are created equal. With certain inaliable rights, among them, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is not your place govenor, or your churches place to deny citizens of these united states their Rights. Hate and bigotry, have prevailed long enough! Your opinions are yours, but keep them in your church. If you dont want to marry a gay person,, then dont. This country was founded on the constitution, NOT the Bible,The book of mormon, or your interpretation of them. You may worship whom or what you may. But Please dont try to regulate other peoples beliefs for them. If you want to do that move to IRAN. You could live your life like a bigot, based upon the teachings of an old book that doesnt mean anything anymore. Wake up. Times, they are a changing. Either change with them, or get the heck out of the way! Religion is a farce! Thats why their are so many of them. Yours is No different.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"It is a false form of compassion to lead others to think that they can find fulfillment by living outside the will of God."

Hate to break it to you, Sharonna, but it is not up to you lead me to think anyway about anything. I don't care at all about what you think about where I should, and how I should, find fulfillment. And I sure don't need your compassion.

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

I've written this over and over but it never publishes. Webster Dictionary puts new words in all the time. Why not "Pairage". Two people lawfully uniting. That way we don't change the definition of something that has existed for how many years and yet with "Pairage" a pair of people uniting, nobody is being denied any rights. Let's use some common sense (both sides)

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't get why I even vote or why they waste money putting issues on the ballot when the majority speaks and then one person says your opinion doesn't matter. Why vote?

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

Judge Shelby made a huge mistake with his political activism, negating valid State law, and making new law from the bench, without State or voter approval. He should be taken to task for it. And hopefully this whole mess that he created will be resolved as 68% of the population in Utah want. Traditional marriage is and always will be the accepted norm throughout all the world. It is best for society and for individuals and it is what we want. We already determined that very clearly.

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