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Published: Saturday, Dec. 21 2013 6:25 p.m. MST

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riverofsun
St.George, Utah

This situation must be quite scary for those who have led a sheltered life.
I am sixty-five year old individual. As a young child, I recall our wonderful neighbors, who consisted of moms, dads and kids; mom and kids: lady couples living together, gentlemen couples living together.
Our neighborhood was a safe place full of people who could be counted on for support and life long friendships.
This wonderful place, however, was not in Utah.
Could this account for the fear many feel?

kvnsmnsn
Springville, UT

New to Utah posted:

=Utah has spoken and they support traditional
=Marriage 66% vs 34.%, One activist judge should
=not over rule this.

The problem with this is that the states of the United States chose unanimously, 100% to 0%, to ratify the US Constitution, and it looks to me like that Constitution gave that one "activist judge" the power to have the last word on what is legal and what is not. Well, not quite the last word; as the article said, the case is being appealed to a higher court. But if you want to keep activist judges from overturning cases voted in by a majority of the population, then that's going to involve revising the US Constitution. That's certainly possible, but I'm not sure you have the patience for that.

J. S.
Houston, TX

@desert

They say, it does not effect anyone.

Now you see, it did.
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The question is not whether "effect", but whether "harm" or "injure" anyone.
the appeal by Prop. 8 supporters was rejected by SCOTUS. why? because they could not articulate "a concrete, particularized injury" caused by gay marriage, that is why they lost in the courtroom.

Amendment 3 lost in court, why? because the state attorneys could not explain how banning gay marriage would promote traditional marriage and how gay marriage would harm traditional marriage. If you can make better arguments, they can really use your help.

Red Corvette
SACRAMENTO, CA

@ Henry Drummond

RE: "Delay is pointless and petty."

AMEN!

TexasCoug
Midland, TX

Let's not confuse constitutional rights with one's interpretation of constitutional rights. Also, let's not compare the Civil rights movement with the Gay rights movement. That is just disgusting to say that both groups faced the same discrimination. I would be embarrassed to use this rationale. Couldn't this be resolved if those who support gay marriage live in a place that the majority of people vote for legal gay marriage? Last time I checked multiple states have already done so. Let those who want gay marriage live in those states. Let those who don't support gay marriage live in other states without gay marriage. Then everyone can be happy. However, Some of the problem seems to be that those who are gay are concerned with how others who don't endorse their lifestyle view them. I guess if the "interpretation" of the constitution mandates that all states within the United States to legalize gay marriage, then perhaps some states should secede and form a country that allows them to interpret the constitution how they want to.

TA1
Alexandria, VA

I also am a member of the LDS Church, having been so for almost a quarter of century, and I support equal treatment of all people and am happy for all those have benefited from this ruling.

I also believe that it is inappropriate to judge those Church members who supported the LGBT community in the quest for equality -

To the posters whose oppose this ruling, presuming to know the will of the Lord with regard to those of us who have supported the quest for LGBT equality is simply wrong.

When we all stand before the judgment bar - and we all will - it will be interesting to see whether - how we treated our brothers and sisters rates, verses how well we are able to cite Church doctrine.

desert
Potsdam, 00

This is becoming a one world society, so it does not really matter what Utahns think.

Does it really ? It does, because if you can stand up for civil rights and civil privacy,
why should Utah not take a stand at what is right ?

People are not afraid of neighbors and new life styles,
they are afraid of who is going to be in charge to educate their children.
If the mainstream is going to do that job, it gonna cost their children.
It will hurt along the line of time and trust a lot.

There used to be a religious party among the Jews, that did dominate all Israel at that time, they were the cause of much later trouble : Jerusalem was wiped away, history did change a lot. The Jews had to go elsewhere. Who are the Hypocrites today ?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Tom Johnson
"On that basis we should repeal the murder, theft, rape, and many other laws since these all interfere with people's free agency."

There's a difference between keeping coffee legal (despite being against the WoW) and making murder legal. Same-sex marriage doesn't harm anybody so it's more like coffee.

@BlackDiamond
"Stop gay marriage before this place is going to be burnt like Sodom of old."

Oh great, now when we get another "warmest year on record" it's going to be attributed to gay people rather than climate change...

@desert
"I do understand that gay and lesb. do have love for each other, but this love is a brotherly and sisterly love"

Brotherly/sisterly love doesn't involve sexual attraction...

Bob K
porland, OR

Tom Johnson
Spanish Fork, UT
'Many who are attracted to the same sex call for gay marriage on the basis that they should just be allowed to do what they want since it doesn't concern the rest of us. Recently, I heard a faithful Mormon say he didn't mind if gays could marry because they should have their free agency. On that basis we should repeal the murder, theft, rape, and many other laws since these all interfere with people's free agency."

... Nonsense! Such acts damage other parties.

"If homosexual behavior is a sin, which the Bible says it is in 18 different passages and the Church Handbook of Instructions says it is, our responsibility as Church members and citizens is to seek to enact laws that prohibit sin and to preserve laws that enable righteousness."

...It may be correct that those rules exist for mormons, but the USA is a free country, you cannot expect to enact them for all Americans.

...Most Americans now understand that Gay people are born that way and have a right to live as they please.

...US citizens who pay taxes but are Gay should not have the same rights as others??

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

@TexasCoug --

"let's not compare the Civil rights movement with the Gay rights movement. "

Martin Luther King III supports a boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi because of their anti-gay 'propaganda' law. He has said, referring to his father, that "I think that as he worked to advocate for civil and human rights, he was talking for everyone, not just for people of color."

One of the chief architects of MLK Jr's March on Washington was an openly gay man, Bayard Rustin.

Rev. Bernice King. MLK's daughter, said in 2012 that civil rights included those who are "heterosexual or homosexual, or gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender."

Coretta Scott King said in 1998: "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice," she said. "But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people".

Miss Piggie
Phoenix, AZ

TA1
"I also believe that it is inappropriate to judge those Church members who supported the LGBT community in the quest for equality"

Sorry to say, but the LGBT community will find themselves mostly alone. They will likely be shunned/ostracized by the straight community... especially when the straight community conjures procedures for LGBT marriage consummations.

"To the posters whose oppose this ruling, presuming to know the will of the Lord with regard to those of us who have supported the quest for LGBT equality is simply wrong."

I think the predominant Utah Church (LDS) has already printed the will of the Lord (Proclamation to the Family).

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"let's not compare the Civil rights movement with the Gay rights movement."
"Couldn't this be resolved if those who support gay marriage live in a place that the majority of people vote for legal gay marriage?"

Oh, the irony.

Ezekiel 16:49

"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

I am surprised that with the repeated mention of George Wallace in these comments that no one has brought up Anita Bryant. For those too young to remember she was a beauty queen and minor celebrity back in 1977. When Miami passed a non discrimination ordinance to protect gay people, she started a successful "christian" campaign to repeal that got national attention. She became the spokesperson for Florida Orange Juice until gays mounted a counter campaign that brought a boycott of Florida juice and got her fired.

Today she like Governor Wallace is largely forgotten and resides deeply in the dustbin of history as she lives out her life in obscurity watching as the Berlin Wall that blocks gay marriage quickly coming down. Governor Herbert has to know the game is up. He is simply keeping his ratings up with those that haven't figured it out yet.

equal protection
Cedar, UT

Herbies stay just denied, didn't meet the requirements, the AG surely should have known better. Are the clowns running state government again?

Bernard GUi
Puyallup, WA

The concept of marriage is now meaningless. There is no longer a rationale to prevent any person or any group of people from entering into whatever they want to call "marriage."

dustman
Gallup, NM

If the Utah law is unconstitutional then re-write the law. But if you like our constitution, and there is no way to write a law banning same-sex marriage, then maybe you should rethink what you're trying to do. Is changing the US Constitution worth a state's ban on same-sex marriage?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@TexasCoug
" Couldn't this be resolved if those who support gay marriage live in a place that the majority of people vote for legal gay marriage?"

That's like trying to resolve the slavery issue in 1850 by telling those who hate slavery or being slaves to just move to New York.

"I guess if the "interpretation" of the constitution mandates that all states within the United States to legalize gay marriage, then perhaps some states should secede and form a country that allows them to interpret the constitution how they want to."

Oh please, nobody's going to secede over gay marriage.

Gram Cracker
Price, UT

It is amazing that so many "forward thinking" gay people WANT to get married, while other "forward thinking" heterosexual people cohabit and don't even bother to marry.

Liberty For All
Cedar, UT

re: "The concept of marriage is now meaningless. There is no longer a rationale to prevent any person or any group of people from entering into whatever they want to call "marriage."

When did these symptoms start to appear? 20 years ago when the first same-sex marriage was performed? Or, in 2004 in Mass? What about California? Are the worse at a certain time of the month or in the mornings, afternoons or evenings? If someone else's marriage makes you feel this way, clearly your not in control of your own relationship. Time to schedule an appoint with a counselor?

donn
layton, UT

RE: Contrariuserer "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream.

The Christian Post that in studying King’s speeches, he could not conceive the civil rights leader heading a gay rights movement.

“King was a man sent by God to do His will and there is no way that you can have that type of relationship with God and accept wrong as right," Peterson told CP. "In the scriptures it says that homosexuality is an abomination against God.”

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