Published: Sunday, Dec. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
We always fail to see the irony in the fact that we complain that the people of
god are being persecuted by people of god. Religion is poison, and it enables
violence that otherwise is unjustifiable.
You should consider the hate that some of these people have towards Americans.
What happens when we open our mouths and condemn them. Will it cause more anger
towards Christians? It could cause them to lash out and persecute them even
more, just to spite us! It is horrible what human beings can do to other
humans!It isn't just an issue for Obama or Democrats. Don't any of the
Republicans have mouths on them? Isn't that why we choose representatives.
Include yourselves in the process. It is important. I feel so much gratitude for
living in a country where we have been able to worship God without fearing for
our lives! It hasn't always been perfect, but we do have a system that
helps us to work through these issues. The gay issue is one. It deals with our
beliefs in God and it is testing us in determining these rights. I am gay. I
believe in God! I believe He would not condemn me for being gay! Do I have a
right and freedom to live according to how I believe? We should think about it!
'He became one of the few Western leaders to speak out loudly against the
systematic persecution of Christians in the Middle East.' And yet today, we find people rallying against gay marriage in Utah because
of what their 'God' tells them. Freedom of religion starts
with yourself. It does NOT move on to anyone else, regardless of
their consent. That, is tyranny.
Do you also decry the persecution of Muslims in Europe and America?Why are you only concerned about he persecution of Christians in regards to
religious freedom? Don't the others count?
Anti-religion and atheism are also religions.
The greatest danger to freedom of religion comes from religious organizations,
otherwise known as Churches. And as business organizations themselves rightly
expect to be promoted just a much as other business originations by their
business oriented governments. I think that in America most people
believe that government should not interfere or support churches either pro or
con. It would be good if Churches felt that way also.
My response to this editorial is that if you want to protect Christians in a
certain country or region then keep the US Military and State Dept as far away
as possible. The last Christian church in Afghanistan was razed under American
watch. So what exactly was the point of the longest war in American history? Say
what you will about Saddam Hussein, Mubarak and Assad but at least they
protected the Christians in their countries. Then the US gets involved and
Christians are either murdered or forced to flee. Our military has been so
neutered by the left wing thought police that they were actually burning bibles
in Afghhanistan. To all the posters who criticize organized religion tell
me what our culture is in America. What is it about us other countries should
aspire to? Abortion clinics? Gay marriage? The cult of global warming?
Over 76% of Americans identify as Christians but we still allow rogue judges to
rip crosses off war memorials and to overturn properly enacted state
constitutional amendments affirming marriage as the union of one man and one
woman. If we have no confidence in our culture its hard to expect anyone else
Those who mock God will insist that cowering in a corner is the only way to
emulate God's teachings. They have no understanding of the words "meek
and lowly". They forget that Christ, the most meek and lowly of all,
braided a whip and chased the money changers from the temple, telling them that
they had made the temple a den of thieves.A "den of thieves"
take that which is holy and sacred and turn it to their advantage. They tell us
that, because we are "Christians", we must accept them on their terms as
they turn the world upside down. They tell us that no matter what God has said,
they will define every sacred thing. Prince Charles is to be
commended. He defends Christianity. President Obama will never defend
Christianity. He cannot. He openly works against the principles of
Christianity that protect and preserve life. He openly works against agency and
accountability by forcing people to look to government. He openly advocates the
redefinition of "marriage" and "family". Prince Charles
understands the importance of God. President Obama has much to learn from
Prince Charles. World leaders need to emulate Prince Charles.
Over the years I have had many students who were refugees from violence in
foreign countries. It is startling how much of this is rooted in religion. I
wish I could say it was only the "bad guys" like Iran and Syria who do
this, but America's allies like Saudi Arabia are just as guilty. How to change thousands of years of bigotry is not a simple question.
Sometimes when leaders denounce other countries publicly they only make matters
The way we promote religious freedom here in the US is to deny others their own
non-majority religious freedom. I don't think religious freedom
means what you think it does.
@Hutterite - "Religion is poison"I disagree. You would cite
the Inquisition, radical Islamic terrorists, and the Holocaust as your examples.
Both radical examples of relatively small groups of people when you consider all
of the violence and evil in the world. Consider all of the people in our prison
system. How many committed their crimes based on religion? Now, I submit to you
all of the goodwill, charity, service, etc. that is performed in the month
between Thanksgiving and Christmas Day alone. Whether you are Christian, Muslim,
Jewish, or Atheist, one cannot deny that the idea of Christmas brings good to
millions of people. To call it poison is to take a narrow view of religion. You
may not agree with a religion or any religion, but to speak in such ridiculous
absolutes makes you sound simply bitter and ignorant. All the same, Merry
I find that many more people want "freedom for THEIR religion" than
there are that actually want "freedom of religion"
RanchHand,My "sermons" are the same "sermons" that
you preached when you were a missionary. Has God changed? Has His message
changed? Have you changed?The world is looking for answers. Those
answers come from Deity, not from fellow travelers. If the road you travel is
different that the road you preached, maybe it's time to find the correct
road. Christ has not changed. His gospel has not changed. His doctrine has
not changed. His prophets preach the same principle that you preached when you
represented Him. What has changed?Prince Charles knows
that the world cannot continue on the path that people are taking. You once
said the same thing. Why is your message different now?
Nice to see an article about what true persecution looks like - I was getting
tired of the many articles we usually see about how the “trimming around
the edges” (i.e., insuring others are equal) of the once 100% ubiquitous
& dominant religion in this country is somehow persecution.Thank
you DN for some much needed perspective…
The English Monarchy is also head of the Church of England.He has a
political as well as ecclesiastical responsibility say something.BTW
-- I find it oh so ironic and hypocritical that those giving
"sermons" and "commending" Prince Charles, sought to deny
Muslims their "Constitutioanl" Freedom of Religion rights here.and I also remind the preacher that Prince Charles divorced his wife and
openly lived with is mistress for several decades.President Obama
has done neither.
I'm surprised and impressed that Prince Charles would care enough to stand
and remark about the continuing violence faced by Christians in those parts of
the world in which they are not a majority.It also shames me
somewhat, that the president of the United States has not-and certainly will
not-pursue any greater token or effort to this, the one most important enabler
and indicater of success for any nation, especially and including our current
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahThey forget that Christ, the
most meek and lowly of all, braided a whip and chased the money changers from
the temple, telling them that they had made the temple a den of thieves.President Obama has much to learn from Prince Charles. World leaders
need to emulate Prince Charles.11:41 a.m. Dec. 22, 2013========Jesus braided a whip and chased out the Money-Changers,
and Money-Changers are CAPITALISTS.WallStreet is our
Latter-day version of a Den of Thieves.BTW - England is
Socialist.Are you changing your mid now?Is that what you want Obama
to learn from the Prince.Is that what you want him to emulate?Your double-talk hypocrasy confuses me.
In a region where Muslims kill other Muslims(Shiite vs Shia), what can you
expect? Can it be changed? One wonders. I do not believe Europeans are killing
Muslims. Cultural differences can be very difficult to reconcile, but effort
must be made to do so.
@airnaut"Jesus braided a whip and chased out the Money-Changers, and Money-Changers are CAPITALISTS.WallStreet is our Latter-day
version of a Den of Thieves."---------Jesus chased out the
money-changers because they were desecrating the holy temple. It had nothing to
do with capitalism, and everything to do with being sacrilegious at the temple.
When a Muslim Mosque is accidentally damaged in a battle... our government
apologizes profusely (and it was an accident). But when dozens of Christian
churches are INTENTIONALLY destroyed... nobody expects an apology.I
don't understand why this dichotomy is acceptable to so many people.
Attacking churches should be off limits regardless of what side you are on.
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