DuckIs that why you have such a deep perspective that you have to
share with all of us? LOL
@pocy"Potential" huh? I bet that is fun to watch. Losers
DuckHow was my response bitter? I wished you a Merry ChristmasI like every Utah fan is bummed we aren't going to a bowl game.
But, I also recognize the progress made by the team. Though the record was the
same, they defended the spread a lot better, and when healthy, the offense was
better. As far as BYU is concerned, I like them to lose all the
time, but a gut punch, not at all. You know as well as I do that if Utah had
played BYU's schedule Utah would be going to a bowl game just like BYU.
The real gut punch is that Utah, as bad as BYU fans think they are, continue to
beat BYU like circus monkeys. The other gut punch, is that until gets to a
power conference BYU will NEVER have the potential that Utah has.
@goredSo since utah won in basketball for the first time in 8 tries,
and only the 2nd time in 13 tries, they now "own" BYU in that sport?
Will that also be the case when BYU next beats utah in football despite it being
the first time in several tries? I'm sure you will try to spin it
differently in that case but that is the standard hypocrisy of a utah
"fan". @pocyI enjoy how bitterly you respond.
You know as well as I do that it is an embarrassment and a gut punch to know BYU
is playing in another bowl game while utah is once again not in one. Yes you can
make all of the whiney SOS excuses and "but we beat BYU" declarations
you want to make but the fact remains utah is a losing team, firmly established
as such by multiple consecutive seasons of losing records, and non bowl team,
once again firmly established as such by multiple consecutive seasons of no
goredUtah owns NOTHING where it really counts, on a national
scaleBYU has won 12 of the last 16, 129-126 overall in basketball;
BYU has 17 AP Top 25 finishes to only 5 for Utah in footballThe Utes
are a has been in basketball and a never been on a national scale in footballNCAA Tournaments during the Rose eraBYU - 7Utah - 3Bowl Games during the Mendenhall/Whittingham eraBYU - 9Utah - 7
We truly appreciate your concern, byu "fans", but to be truthful, we Ute
supporters aren't really that worried about your continual rude remarks
toward our athletic programs. It just further shows how much you guys are
jealous about us and our new conference, and the fact that your school received
no invite to a major conference.And, yes, we still own you in both
football and basketball.
The reality is that it might take two or three decades and many head coaches to
become competitive in the PAC-12. Just look at how long it took Arizona and
Arizona State to become competitive when they left the WAC to join the PAC-10.
You can't blame Kyle Whittingham for this dilemma. Facilities need to
improve as well as the University of Utah's academic reputation needs to
improve to bring about consistent winning seasons. Yes, Utah has defeated BYU
the last four years along with overall recruiting. However, BYU will continue to
win because it doesn't play overall schedules too far above its competitive
level like Utah.
And Duck,You're incorrect, I won't be watching. Welcome
back from Tulsa and Merry Christmas
Three words for the future of Ute football. Mediocrity, mediocrity, mediocrity.
Basketball has a much better chance for future success in the PAC than football.
Reno and DuckLet's face it. BYU fans want to be better than
Utah so badly they can't stand it. But, because BYU can't beat Utah
on the field (or the court now) they have to try other ways of "proving"
it. So they go to the moral superiority, ESPN contract, our stadium holds more,
or we get a bowl game argument. Reality: BYU has peaked in the WCC
and the Fight Hunger Bowl, while Utah, though struggling in its first few years
in the Pac-12 continues to spank BYU, is in the position that all BYU fans want
to be, and have a much higher ceiling than BYU can even fathom. At that reality
rots BYU fans to the core, so they troll Utah articles, and try to get their
jabs in. And that's fine, because it is just an indictment of their own
@pocyAnd yet you'll be watching BYU play in a bowl game and
utah will once again be nowhere to be seen. LOL!
To all BYU haters,I thought the U moved past BYU three years ago? Why is
BYU still the measuring stick you use? You are beating BYU in recruiting but how
are you doing against the rest of your so called rivals? Last I checked you were
near the bottom against the rest of the league! It must make the MUSS and the
rest of UTE nation proud and excited that you just hired the failed ex-coach
from that great football mecca Wyoming to be your next OC!!! No bowls and now
retread WAC coaches!!! Onward and Upward????
JarkBut somehow, that talent beats Tradition, Spirit and Honor head
to head. Like a hammer pounding a nail.Go Utes
@Chris BAnd yet all those NFL recruits you keep spouting bout can't
get to a bowl game LOL
Pac 10.2 already 0-1 in bowl games LOL
If Christensen doesn't work out - Lane Kiffin might be available next year.
The ESPN article also mentions that Utah was the 68th most watched team, behind
San Diego State, Air Force, and SMU. I found it surprising that the move to the
PAC really hasn't materialized into what everyone thought it would. More
exposure? Maybe, hopefully eventually for their sake, but it's certainly
not there yet.
@Chris BSuccess is not defined by one game anymore. For Utah success
is defined by how they do in their division first and in the league second.
Beating BYU is nice, but there isn't much to gain from a victory. Most of
the fans aren't happy with how the Utes have performed. They have not kept
up with the league in recruiting and the results on the field reflect it. Utah
is playing tougher schedules and they are losing a majority of their games,
failing to make bowls and what wins they have had have all gone down to the
wire.Utah needs to recruit better or improve coaching. Which will
Oatmeal,You do realize that Utah has beaten byu in recruiting every
year for the last 4 years right?So if utes needs to worry about
recruititing and Utah is beating byu every year....
Just watched Ender's Game yesterday. A word of advice for Witt---Know thy
enemy. Witt knows BYU so he doesn't lose often to them. He needs to know
the teams in his conference better in order to defeat them.
I think you are on to something Rock.If you've always been a
defensive coach you probably never paid much attention to the offense when you
were coming up through the ranks. Now you are a head coach and all you know
about offense is that its not working. So what do you do? You keep throwing
people under the bus until you finally get someone you trust and who knows how
to explain stuff to you.Maybe now Utah will actually invest in more
depth for the offense even if it comes at the expense of the defense. Problem
solved.This could be the start of beautiful relationship...
A story ran on the ESPN web site yesterday about which conferences were the
winners or losers in the recent conference realignment. The PAC-12 was the
runaway loser according the analysts, citing Utah specifically as not bringing
anything to the conference. They even went so far as saying CO was at least
moving in the right direction. These analysts implied that it was a big mistake
to have invited Utah to the PAC-12. This is a perception held not just by these
ESPN analysts. If they're saying it others are saying it, too, and this wil
impact future recruiting. So far, Utah hasn't done anything to convince
unbiased observers that they aren't in over their heads.In
spite of the "all's well at the UoU" comments of those like Chris
B, and blaming jealous BYU fans of finding fault where there is none,
Whittingham's really up against it now. The only way Utah can overcome the
aforementioned perception is by winning and Whit had better start doing this
What does it tell you about the quality of coaches that they ACCEPT demotions,
rather than find a job somewhere else? Either they are too scared, too
complacent, or not respected enough to find a job elsewhere. Ed Ogeron did a
fine job as the interim head coach at USC and when he wasn't considered for
the head job resigned, because he had pride and confidence in himself and his
Coaching isn't the biggest challenge at the U.Sixty 4 star and
above athletes signed with PAC-12 schools in 2013, only one of those came to
Utah.So far in 2014, forty 4 star and above recruits have signed
with PAC-12 school, again Utah has only one. Nick Saban
couldn't win consistently in the PAC-12 with that large of a disparity in
talent (USC didn't sign a single 3 star athlete in 2013, they were all 4 or
5 star).The truth is no PAC-12 school circles the Utah game on their
schedule and I don't think any team Utah played in conference this year
points to Utah as their best effort of the year.Truth is, as Utah
gets better and wins a couple of game in Conference, teams will view them as a
threat and things will get harder. I'm a fan and want things to
improve, but I'm realistic enough to understand that it will be a long,
hard road. In my mind differentiation has always been the key to improving, so
I'm concerned that hiring an OC who runs the spread just makes Utah another
"me too" school running the flavor of the month offense.
imcrimson"It is more than just a tad obvious that most of the
gloom and doom posts are from bitter Y fans."BYU fans are simply
stating reality; it's crimson-glasses wearing Utah fans who've chosen
to ignore the fact that having 6 OC's in 6 years is a sign of program that
is in deep trouble.
@Chris BLOL so now losing makes you better? How so? LOL ridiculous If
that's the case then Byu will dominate Utah from here on out after losing 4
times in a row right? LOL
I chuckle while reading these posts. It is more than just a tad obvious that
most of the gloom and doom posts are from bitter Y fans. Kyle is a great coach
who will probably pull this out. If he doesn't, we will get Pac 12 caliber
coach who will. The future is bright on the hill folks. Pasadena is not far
away. I am excited.
@scottAlpine, UT"The Utes will have to win all of their
toss ups just to finish 4-8."Ouch! That's a brutal
assessment, bro! I wouldn't bet on that!Good luck Utes! And
Go Cougars and Aggies!
Scott, Put your BYU blue away for just long enough to use reason instead
of emotion.. . Fresno State at home - a toss up? Really? Arizona at home may be a toss up but not a automatic losses. Same with
USC. Washington State and Colorado are not toss ups either. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Utah will win a whole slug of
games next year but your assessment was a tad ridiculous. I just wish we could
schedule the Y again.
4-5, 3-6, 2-7,2014 could easily be 1-8Don't see how
Whit will survive another bottom of the conference, bowl-less season.
Chris B,I have a huge amount of respect for KW. But check out how
the recruiting is going. Poor win-loss and no bowl games have damaged
recruiting to the point that Utah will be in a horrible situation in three
years. You can't win the PAC-12 with only three-star recruits. You know
that, and you jab naive BYU fans who think every year is a potential national
championship. Recruits don't care about SOS. The kids look at rankings and
bowl games. I personally don't believe that KW will see another rivalry
game with BYU. His time is limited.If I was KW, I'd keep my
options open. He may once again coach an elite winning team in a big
conference. But I doubt it will be at Utah.
thomasjefferson: You REALLY nailed it!
Whit is the man for the jobWe were literally 3 plays away from being
8-5. True Utah fans aren't panicking, we had the hardest schedule in the
nation!I wonder what the average wins is for teams with the hardest
schedule in the county.Two years ago we couldn't have beaten Stanford
and taken ranked osu, ranked asu, and ranked ucla down to the final play. We will get some of those bounces next year and be fineI
welcome a brutal schedule. In a couple more years we will be glad we got better
by playing with the best. Next year, even without a couple gimme
wins against local WAC programs I still see a good season. Go
utes!Onward and upward