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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 18 2013 5:05 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Kurtz is a big time pickup for byu and utah's guy comes with a ton of potential too. It will be interesting to see how recruiting shakes out in the next few years. Utah has beaten byu in recruiting both head to head AND average stars every year for the last four years. In fact according to rivals, utah's worst year of the last four is still better than byu's best year of the last four.

Clearly there is a pattern that recruits prefer PAC 12 Utah to Indy byu.

But neither program has been too impressive lately.

So who knows how the future will go.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

I'm very hopeful that Kurtz will be able to step in for Hoffman on Day 1 and contribute. I expect Hill's passing game to be much improved in 2014. Kurtz, Mathews and Apo will present real match up problems for DBs.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I think all schools are excited about their prospects. Kurtz is a big pickup for byu. It will be interesting to see which school does the best in the next couple years, with Utah state having some good years, yet still being Utah state. And both byu and Utah have struggled to beat very great teams.

The last 4 years Utah has beaten byu Utah state and byu in recruiting both head to head AND average stars. In fact, Utah's worst year of the last 4 is better than byu's or usu's BEST year of the last 4.

The evidence shows that recruits prefer Pac 12 Utah to indy/WAC byu and WAC usu, but who knows if that will change.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Not a good day for the new sc coach when a guy with those tools says no.

BigCougFan
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re: Chris B.

"The evidence shows that recruits prefer Pac 12 Utah to indy/WAC byu and WAC usu, but who knows if that will change."

If Utah can't get out of the bottom tier of the PAC12 it will certainly change. Four and five star recruits don't want to be at a bottom tier school. As BYU gets more and more national exposure and if USU continues to improve Utah will find themselves at the bottom of the recruiting list too.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Congratulations to these guys. That's a big deal to get a quality education and play football.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Chris B

Not many 3-, 4-, and 5-star recruits are going to be impressed with the "advantages" of spending bowl week on the couch with family and friends even if most of their games are televised on the PAC net.

As BigCougFan said, top recruits don't want to be at a bottom tier school even if they've plastered PAC 12 stickers all over campus.

RSLfanalways
West Valley, UT

The State of Utah will never really receive good recruits. Even good recruits from Utah High Schools usually prefere Norte Dame or Alabama any day over Ute's, BYU, USU. Utah is good at training coaches so that they can move somewhere better. But I will still love cheering for my team, even though Utah college teams will always be a 2nd tier team.

ekute
Layton, UT

"As BYU gets more and more national exposure"

Utah will continue to out recruit byu *as byu gets more and more nationally exposed*.

byu is the same program that it was in the MWC. I haven't seen improvement.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

BigCoug,

In 3 yeas byu has beaten exactly 1 end of season ranked team, Utah state in 2012.

If your claim is recruits wont Pick Utah if we're near the bottom of the Pac 12, you think recruits will be flocking to byu with 1 win against a ranked team every 3 years?

That's light years away from playing for a national title like bronco talks about

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

bcf--

"If Utah can't get out of the bottom tier of the PAC12 it will certainly change. Four and five star recruits don't want to be at a bottom tier school. As BYU gets more and more national exposure and if USU continues to improve Utah will find themselves at the bottom of the recruiting list too."

This sentiment exists solely in ut cty..One recruit after another has stated their desire to play against a PAC-12 schedule and welcome its inherent challenge, while they simultaneously state the obvious fact that The U is very, very close to turning the corner and turning these close losses into victories.

These kids are real/legitimate competitors and naturally seek the greatest challenge possible w/its inherent greatest potential reward..They're an entirely different animal, not content w/built-in wins taking them down the easier/softer route to padding records/ensuring bowl-eligibility.

Quite frankly, this Non-competitor's approach to scheduling/subsequent applauding of it by byu is utterly mind-boggling to me/so thoroughly contrary to everything I've ever been taught in life..Surreal, in fact.. What's the point?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

AZUte,

The byu administration and athletic department know that byu would struggle even worse than Utah has with a top schedule in the country. They know they can keep the hope alive in byu fans if they build in 6-7 gimme wins, a couple 50/50 games, and a couple big time programs.

Like you say, countless recruits have talked about how much they want to play a Pac 12 schedule. Its a high risk high reward situation. And I'll gladly take some bad years for a once in a while amazing year.

Byu fans think that two #25 ranked seasons are better than a #5 ranked season and a #50 season.

I disagree, as does most the football world.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

" top recruits don't want to be at a bottom tier school "
There's no reason to pick on the California Golden Bears.

UU will continue to get recruits that want to be in a major conference, have a shot at the NFL, and want to actually play. What's the point of accepting an offer from Oregon or USC, only to be buried on the depth chart behind the 5 stars?

"America's Most-televised Mid-major Football Team" is a catchy slogan for BYU. Hopefully that will catch on with the recruits.

U 90
Corona, CA

CFIT,

Is Apo a match-up problem for any team?

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

SoonerUte

BYU is one of the most televised major college football programs PERIOD - no disclaimer required.

Chris B

"The BYU administration and athletic department know that BYU would struggle even worse than Utah has with a top schedule in the country."

It's laughable that you're forced to make stuff up based on nothing but your own biased opinion just to feel better about yourself. Remind us how many bowl games the Utes have played in since joining the PAC.

Crow
Sandy , UT

@phoenix and bcf I guess 4star recruit the 7th rated OT Jackson Barton feels the same way. He chose Utah over several high profile schools and should be able to make an immediate impact. Utah is ranked 8th in recruiting for the PAC12and if they can land a couple of the kids that they are going after I would not be surprised if their ranking moved into the top five of the PAC12.

Utah'95
FPO, AE

Crow,

I look forward to watching Barton play for the Utes. But keep in mind that both of his parents were scholarship athletes at Utah. That is likely why he chose the Utes over more prestigious programs.

U 90
Corona, CA

@TheSportsAuthority "Remind us how many bowl games the Utes have played in since joining the PAC."

Do you honestly think Utah would have missed one bowl season had they played BYU's schedule? Utah had the #1 SOS in 2013, and sure BYU had the #32 SOS but they lost to every team on their schedule that made it #32. In other words BYU beat many very mediocre and cupcake type teams like Virginia, Middle Tennessee State, Houston, Nevada and Idaho State. Have you seen BYU's 2014 schedule... it only gets worse. Seven cupcakes.

Want proof Utah would do just fine with BYU's schedule? Utah beat the Y 4 years in a row and 9 of 12. According Rivals BYU has also been dominated by Utah in recruiting which doesn't necessarily make one team better than the other but the recruiting war is consistent with the scoreboard. If Utah had BYU's schedule they would be on a 12 game bowl streak.

Truthfully
Eagle Mountain, UT

Utah is on par to sign it's lowest ranked recruiting class in the past 10 years. The class averages between 2.5 and 2.6 stars on both Scout.com and Rivals.com. One more year without a bowl game, not only possible but probable, and they will be looking for another coach. Both signs that the program is in serious jeopardy. It could be 4 or more years until they see a bowl game.

scott
Alpine, UT

Crow

The debilitating effects of bowl-less seasons on Utah's recruiting success won't be manifest overnight, but you're only fooling yourself if you think that the Utes won't begin losing a steady stream of 3+ star recruits if Utah's current bowl-less trend continues.

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