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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 17 2013 11:55 p.m. MST

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jazzfanincali
Corona, CA

Honestly I'd rather see Gobert get 30+ minutes a night in the D-League than 15 minutes or less in with the Jazz. The kid is raw and needs time on the court to develop, I think the D-League will be good for his development and confidence.

Iowa Jazz Fan 2
Cedar Rapids, IA

Sending Gobert to the D-League is an example of the Jazz getting in their own way??? How about it being an example of their seeing enough potential in him and caring enough about his development that they want him to play major minutes every night and get major tutoring instead of sitting on the end of the bench 90% of the time?

DresdenBalla
Germany, 00

@Iowa Jazz Fan 2

I am thinking you must actually be Tyrone Corbin or some other in the Jazz organization. If the D-League was the best place for Gobert to develop then why is he only being sent there now? What are the chances this D-League team will have the same team dynamic and strategies as the Jazz? I think if the Jazz are planning to send Corbin away then maybe this D-League move is a good move since then all players will have to learn a new style anyway. But I think more likely this is a bad move and shows the Jazz organization is not all on the same page.

IndeMak
South Jordan, UT

If we aren't going to be good for three years, I guess I won't attend anymore games until then.

rvalens2
Burley, ID

The Jazz need to win or lose with players who will be here next season and beyond. The current season (and next) should be all about player development first - not winning games.

I realize losing is a tough pill to swallow, but often that is exactly how the patient (in this case the Jazz) will get better. Playing veterans who will not be here next season does nothing for the Jazz; all it does is showcase them for their next team. Is that what the Jazz should be doing? I don't think so.

Nate Gagnon's sports article hit the nail right on the head. I hope Jazz management is listening.

rvalens2
Burley, ID

Sending Gobert to the D-League is a mistake. Rudy has already proven he's okay as backup to Kanter and Favors. Biedrins should not be getting any playing time ahead of Rudy. Sure Gobert is raw, but he's improving fast and will learn a lot more playing 15 minutes a game within the Jazz organization than he will playing 30 for Bakersfield.

Little Andy
Tremonton, UT

Hit the nail on the head. The only reason I could see the older vetzz getting minutes is to showcase them for a trade before the deadline to pick up more pieces.. How about my man Burks against LBJ and crew??

TerryHaimes
Sturgis, MS

If this article is close to the truth, Jazz fans should lynch the front office tonight. If the Jazz are playing for the future then playing the vets is stupid. Jazz should get in the Houston trade sweepstakes and get the Turk, Asian, Parsons and 7 feet 1 inch power forward.

Tyler Ray
Taylorsville, UT

Great point. I've defended Corbin far too long. Given him the benefit of the doubt since he became a head coach. It's really high time he becomes accountable. This year, not through wins and losses but how improvement happens. If by the end of the season Lindsay doesn't see that, I hope he has the guts to send Corbin packing.

scalman
Temecula, CA

I was one of the people last year rooting hard for the kids to play more, and with Burks playing more recently, they are. Kanter has had a bum ankle, but he is on the court more now, too. Saying that no one cares about winning is absolutely wrong. One of the reasons many that pro players are pros is that is their goal EVERY time they step on the court. As for fans, most of us get turned off by a team if they don't compete at least through the first three quarters. The Jazz have competed well in most games, but it has definitely helped to have Marvin Williams in there when he is healthy. Richard Jefferson has had some good games, too. Having at least one veteran on the court is a good idea, especially early and in the middle of the game. Having the core five finish games would please me, though, unless someone if hanging their head out of frustration or has 5 fouls. Gobert to the D-League is a good idea...he had a good game the other night, too. Go, Rudy!

Americanvet
Ivins, UT

This article is spot on and states what many of us have been saying all year. Some people are critical of us that are willing to see the team struggle and lose games this year so that we can be in a position to snag that lottery pick (or 2) in the upcoming draft. This year should be all about team development and building for the future. Who cares if we have the worst record in the league this year if it's what it takes to build for the future. This article should be required reading for Jazz management and Jazz nation in entirety.

ABELIEVER
roy, UT

I'm all in for playing the core five big minutes this years. I hope they start Kanter so that he can develop and to see if he is worth a big contract or not. I do believe that as long as the core five is healthy throughout the season that the Jazz will win 30 to 35 games this year. I think this is an exciting time to watch the core five develop as a team, and in a couple of years from now become like the Portland Trailblazers and later be a veteran team like San Antonio. I think management is going in the right direction and that Corbin needs to give the core five the minutes they will need to develop.

bdjedi28
West Jordan, UT

The only issue I have with this article is the idea that Gobert going to the D-league is a bad idea. I think it is great because there he will get significant minutes that will help him develop. Let him play 35 minutes a night for a season and then bring him back into the fold next season with all that playing time in hand. Other than that I totally agree. John Lucas should never see the floor (even before Burke got back that is a wise decision). The other vets should play limited time just to rest the younger players.

I<3tennis
Sandy, UT

I appreciate your insight! It's so discouraging watch them lose over and over -- so I honestly don't watch anymore! I hope you're right! I think the Jazz need to hire you on as a consultant!!!!

bluered
Salt Lake City, UT

Funny how everyone else in the world sees this except Ty Corbin. Can someone give him this article?

Thinkman
Provo, UT

With the attitude that it is all about 2016-2017, then the Jazz should just take a dive for the rest of this season and next, collect the next 2 drafts #1 picks and wait for winning.

That ain't gonna fly to the fans nor will that fly for the Millers owning an NBA team.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

I can't understand how many Jazz fans believe this. The whole premise is flawed.

1) A culture of winning is important. 3-4 years where winning doesn't matter puts us in Kings territory, not Spurs. I think it is more important to put players in a position to succeed rather than teaching them how to fail. The important thing is to get them EFFECTIVE minutes; quality, not quantity, is the key. "Minutes for the sake of minutes, regardless of the outcome" reflects lazy journalism.

2) The premise that the only way to win championships is through the draft is wrong. It is especially wrong when people believe it happens quickly. The way to win championships is with veterans. I'll stand by for a list of championship teams built completely through the draft.

3) Draft winners are part luck. The year before Boston got the Big 3, they expected the #1 pick and were focused on Oden. They dropped to fourth in the draft and missed out on Durant as well. No guarantees in the draft. And seriously, if they got Oden or Durant, do you really think they would have done the trade and won a championship? No way.

Legalize_the_Constitution
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Lose today in order to win later. This is the goal of the Jazz in 2013-2014. They must lose as many games as possible in order to get the best draft pick possible. Any other objective would be a wasted effort. If the Jazz start playing better now that Burke is back and playing well, then they have failed in this goal. Please lose this season, don't be tempted to win this year, the more they win this year the more we lose in the future.

Steve-o
Ogden, UT

Joe5 --- I agree partly with your comments. You don't want a culture of losing, which the Jazz have already established pretty well since the Stockton and Malone days. Overall things have been bleak since then. BUT... you do have to build through the draft in Utah. This isn't Miami, New York, LA, Chicago. Star players don't choose to play in Utah. We get the Boozers, Okurs, Al Jeffersons, Mo Williams! 2nd and 3rd tier free agent won't win a championship. The Jazz will HAVE to draft a star because we're not getting a guy like that any other way. Our model will be similar to OKC in the small market.
Also, the Lakers drafted Kobe, The Heat drafted Wade, the Celtics drafted Paul Pierce, The Spurs drafted Tim duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili. ALL the teams that won championships over the past 15 years drafted a star. Draft is important. Jazz will never crawl out of Sacramento mode unless they get a star through the draft. This is the year to be bad if there ever was one. We need that Tim Duncan, Durrant type guy to turn the franchise around.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

Steve-o: I agree with you that our situation is different than that of the big market teams. But OKC doesn't have a championship and I think their window is closing, not opening. The Jazz glory days came were built on two players the Jazz drafted but a decade later when they had become stars and knew how to win. Championship teams win with experienced veterans, not hot-shot rookies, regardless how talented they are.

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