Hahahaha! thanks, I needed a good laugh! Mike Lee is
just hanging low for the time being. He hasn't changed. He and his buddies,
like Cruz, are just laying low and hope that voters will "forget" what
they did a few months ago. Voters won't. Mike Lee
and Ted Cruz shut down the government.The American people have already
shut down the Tea Party.In 4 more years the Tea Party will be gone.
He better do it fast because all of my country club buddies want him to be a one
To deserve victory, conservatives have to do more than pick a fight. We have to
win a debate. And to do that … [w]e need an agenda.” Second, he
urged fellow Republicans to engage in a “Great Debate” and cease
trying to purge more moderate Republicans from its ranks.Succinctly,Have an actual plan. Being the party of no is
tired.Open up the tent. Take a person that gives you 80% of what you
want.And I will quote Jindal. "Stop being the Stupid
party"Lose the over-the-top angry rhetoric and publicly bash the
crazies and the birthers.Be the kind of leaders your average
American wants. I have and I could vote R in the next presidential
election. But not for a crazy.
mcbillay: I'm not a big Lee fan but what I detest even more is willful
blindness. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you
didn't read the article prior to your post. Your claim that his movement is
just "words on paper" doesn't demonstrate open-mindedness on your
part. The article pointed out these specific actions Mike Lee has already
taken:- Presented an anti-poverty agenda that transcends existing
policies- Offered broad reform strokes on several issues including:
- consolidating and trimming federal programs - expanding K-12 education
opportunities to underprivileged students - expanding access to higher
education - reforming the fed's criminal justice and penal system- Helped introduce the Leahy-Lee Patent reform bill (praised by Obama
administration)- Worked with Durbin (D) on sentencing reform
legislation- Worked with Feinstein (D) on indefinite detention
legislation- Worked with Schummer (D) on visa reform legislationIt sounds to me like he has been very busy on doing a lot more than just
putting words on paper. What does he have to do to please you? Switch parties?
@Maverick "In 4 more years the Tea Party will be gone."You
misapprehend what the tea party even is. Because of this, your predictions about
its future will always be wrong -- just as your previous ones have been.You've been told that we're extremists who hate government,
when in fact we are everyday human beings who love our country, and want to
leave it a better place for our children and grandchildren. We read the
Constitution, and we recognize that it provides a structure for the preservation
and advancement of freedom, and we want to live by it. We see government as good
when it stays within its proper bounds. We value individual liberty and
self-reliance. We believe in wise fiscal management. These are the ideas that
drive our cause, and there are many, many people who adhere to them.Take note that these ideas animate not only protest, but also positive action.
Mike Lee is articulating this now, and you see his leadership and influence
growing. You will see the tea party movement continue to grow.
Mike Lee has not "changed" to improve the Tea-Party!Seriously, He has now only miraculously "changed" because he
knows he has failed and is obviously doomed, and will now say or do
anything to get re-elected.
Second, he urged fellow Republicans to engage in a “Great Debate”
and cease trying to purge more moderate Republicans from its ranks.========= Hmmmm, Funny because isn't that HE did to
Senator Bob Bennett?Still sounds like a man desperate to stay in
office.BTW -- If he was never wrong in the first place, If he was this so called "strong leader" and not willing to cave to
political pressure, yahda-yahda...WHY now the New and improved Mike
Lee?The more Moderate Mike Lee?The more compromising Mike Lee?The more RINO Mike Lee?
So now Mike Lee is in favor of a thing called "education." My stars.
Hopefully he changes it into a memory.
Mike Lee learned a lesson from Romney: for a sizable portion of the electorate
who are simply Obama haters, it doesn't matter how much you flip or flop,
they will vote for anything that is not Obama.I'm just a bit
surprised at how much of a propaganda piece this is by Jowers, whom I would
expect to be less of a cheerleader and more of a scholar about it. Did Jowers
accept another donation to the Institute from Mike Lee or his cronies?
But I thought it was all about standing on principle? I guess this captain
isn't willing to go down with the ship.LDS Liberal is spot on,
As I read these DesNews message boards, I am constantly reminded who the real
So Mike Lee is now saying exactly what moderate Conservatives and Independents
have been saying for 3+ years - but somehow, when he says it, it is new and
amazing and earth shattering. Repairing the Republican Party is also
going to require some humility - taking credit for others words and thoughts
will not help.
Trying desperately to spin the big failure. Remember the slogan "shut it
I wonder how flexible a thinker Lee can be. The crowing issue of our age is the
decline of the capitalist dominated market. Can we save the market and dump the
capitalists? That is what's necessary. I'm sure neither Lee or
Jowers thinks in those terms. Whether they like it or not, this matter is going
to be front and center. I hope Lee can contribute.
Sen. Lee was just trying to save the country, but really its to far gone now.
However there is still hope that Obama's failures will the catalyst for
America to finally rise up and save our nation.
@ IMLDS 2Since dictator-haters exist in your mind, then haters of our
Constitutional Republic exist as well and should be exposed as those who are
willing to give up our representative government with it's guarantee of
individual rights to a dictator.Mike Lee represents the people of
Utah well.That is why he was elected and why he will be re-elected.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who
approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright
force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."--
Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788I cannot undertake to lay my
finger on that article of the Constitution which grant[s] a right to Congress of
expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.-- James
Madison, 1794"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will
make violent revolution inevitable."-- John F. KennedyThe
American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the
people with their own money.-- Alexis de TocquevilleIf a
thousand men were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would ... [be] the
definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible.-- Henry David
ThoreauThe only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised
over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm
to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient
warrant.-- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty", 1859
I love Mike Lee as a leader in the Senate. Mike is exactly the right kind of
leadership we need.
I had always thought of Kirk Jowers as a reasonably reliable source of
information. Now I'm not so sure.But what I am sure of is that
Mike Lee will say and do anything his handlers tell him he needs to do in order
to fool enough people into voting for him again.That is downright
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold
this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of citizens and one of the noblest
characteristics of the late Revolution. The freemen of America did not wait till
usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise and entangled the question in
precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the
consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much ... to
forget it-- James Madison...every Man has a Property in his own
Person. This no Body has any Right to but himself. The Labour of his Body, and
the Work of his Hands, we may say, are properly his. .... The great and chief
end therefore, of Mens uniting into Commonwealths, and putting themselves under
Government, is the Preservation of their Property.-- John Locke, "A Treatise
Concerning Civil Government"The people cannot delegate to
government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do
themselves.-- John Locke, "A Treatise Concerning Civil Government"
Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good.-- Mohandas
Gandhi"Are we to understand," asked the judge, "that you
hold your own interests above the interests of the public?" "I hold
that such a question can never arise except in a society of cannibals." --
Ayn RandEvery election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen
goods.-- H.L. MenckenUnder democracy one party always
devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to
rule--and both commonly succeed, and are right... The United States has never
developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really
intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of
frauds"--- H. L. MenckenThe Constitution is not neutral. It was
designed to take the government off the backs of the people.-- Justice William
O. DouglasHe that would make his own liberty secure must guard even
his enemy from oppression: for if he violates this duty, he establishes a
precedent that will reach unto himself.-- Thomas Paine
"Since there is no such entity as 'the public,' since the public
is merely a number of individuals, the idea that 'the public interest'
supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning: that the
interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the interests and
rights of others."-- Ayn RandA wise and frugal government, which
shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise
free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not
take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good
government, and all that is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.--
Thomas Jefferson, in his 1801 inaugural address"Experience
should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the
government's purposes are beneficient...The greatest dangers to liberty
lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without
understanding."-- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit
of justice is no virtue."-- Barry Goldwater (actually written by Karl Hess)
Great, just what we need, another Orrin Hatch representing Utah. RINO!
Real Maverick: You are so wrong! I walk the halls of education, an institution
that represents, if anything, what is wrong with the federal government's
involvement in trying to solve our nation's problems. Although the
Educational elite, the administrators, Superintendents, state officials,
Principals, are, for the most part, for the status quo and continuation of
failed policies, teachers, many, afraid to speak out, are much more conservative
than you think. They are part of the silent majority that you will never here
or see, but I do. They are sizable voice,one that is growing,not diminishing.
We care about children, about the future, about God, the Constitution, and
Education (not school), and we vote! Mike Lee is a new generation of leaders
that have a potent following, one driven by results, rather than failed
policies, some which are ever present in Education. Mike Lee, if he remains true
to principles, is recapturing that energy by focusing on God, family, and
culture, all of which are directly opposed to government programs that foster
just the opposite and which for the most part are represented by both the
Democrat and Republican parties! That, my friend, is the future.
Dear Mike Lee:What you do screams so loudly...I
can't hear what you are saying...
It's difficult to change the tea party, just ask Tea Partiers what they now
think of Marco Rubio's presidential prospects after he got involved in
immigration bill efforts.
RE: JDL "Since there is no such entity as 'the public,' since
the public is merely a number of individuals, the idea that 'the public
interest' supersedes private interests and rights can have but one meaning:
that the interests and rights of some individuals take precedence over the
interests and rights of others."-- Ayn RandBut the problem is
that we have declared corporations to be individuals. They aren't of
course. But because we have declared them to be such, they are to quote Orwell
"more equal than others." The interests of corporations "take
precedence over the interests and rights of others."
@JDL – “Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation
with good.-- Mohandas Gandhi”You were doing fine (in your
dubious exercise of context-less quoting to make some non-sequitur points) until
you brought Ayn Rand into it – an ethical & mental midget among moral
& intellectual giants.
Alas, Senator Lee might simply be reacting now to his failures when he was a
leader in shutting down the government and got knocked down for his poorly
thought out strategys. If he could somehow stimulate the genes his father passed
on to him there might be some hope for him. While I do not believe Senator Lee
has yet earned the respect of his skeptics with this "new rhetoric", I
believe has has the potential to do so. Sometimes a person has to learn from
the "error of his ways" and if he does learn, he can accomplish
important things with his new perspectives. As one of those skeptics, I truly
hope that Senator Lee has learned and that he truly has the interest of
America's less fortunate now in his heart. I would like nothing more than
to see him succeed if he has really had a change of heart!
There is nothing but corruption on both sides of the aisle. There is only one
solution: revolution. Not a revolution of tanks and spears, a revolution of
ideas. The parties have proven they cannot be trusted. The people have proven
that they want more "subsidies" from the government. We have become part
of the problem. We, like they, are corrupt. We want debt. We want welfare. We
want it all and we want someone else to pay for it. We "deserve" a home.
We "deserve" a living wage. And someone else will have to work to make
sure we get it. We have abandoned all sense of self-respect and now find fault
with those who are trying to reverse our course. Thank you, Mike Lee, for
standing up. Thank you. It's time to dismantle the albatross created by our
own lusts and return to principles that will re-enthrone the rule of law, not
the rule of kings (or parties).
As Mr. Lee has never voted for an increase of education til now I feel bad for
the teachers who are supposed to be now feeling sorry for him as he now carries
their concerns to the federal level....REALLY?Come on Mr. Lee fool
us once but don't think you can get us again.
Dear Mike Lee, I was one of those affect by the Shutdown you and
Sen. Cruz were so proud of. 16 days is a long time worrying about paying bills.
And although we were eventually paid for it, I feel guilty for the private
business's that weren't. Some had to close because of it.We voted for you to help our country. Not STOP it! In the end, it cost us
Billions. The anger is deep. Betrayal is closer to it. It is a feeling that
will not be gone by next election. You only have a short time to convince UTAH,
you are worth a second chance and have learned from your past. I plan to vote
for someone next time who understands how to move things along. Not STOP them.
Right now, you’re not it.
Re: texinnc " It's time to dismantle the albatross created by our own
lusts and return to principles that will re-enthrone the rule of law, not the
rule of kings (or parties)" or I might add corporations. The corporation
form is killing the market.
So just copying and pasting is an opinion now?Well that pretty much sums
up the tea party.Big on slogans and bumper stickers, but weak on details and solutions, the vagaries that Lee alludes to are just
that.The tea party may believe they are smarter, more patriotic, or
better Americans, they are not. The tea party would crucify Reagan for his tax
increases, amnesty and compromising.
I am grateful for the work of Mike Lee. Unlike Senator Hatch, Senator Lee is
actually trying to do the things that he said he would do when he campaigned for
the office.The government shutdown was a sham, planned weeks in
advance by the Obama Administration and blame is being put on Senators Lee and
Cruz. Government departments were notified weeks in advance of the pending
shutdown and told to prepare. Memorials that were open access and did not cost
the government to keep open, such as mount Rushmore and the WW2 veterans
memorial, where intentionally closed, at government expense to inflict the most
inconvenience on US citizens. If Senator Lee is scapegoated with blame for the
shutdown and it costs him re-election, this is probably something that the Obama
administration would be pleased.I hope that the people of Utah are
not so easily hoodwinked. We need more people like Senator Lee in Congress.
MarxistJDL - But the problem is that we have declared corporations to be
individuals. They aren't of course. But because we have declared them to be
such, they are to quote Orwell "more equal than others." The interests
of corporations "take precedence over the interests and rights of
others."You seem to be pretty one dimensional in your obsession
with corporations. If you took even a minute to read into Ayn Rands book, you
would know that statement was a slam against corporations, unions, and even
collectivist societies. To think that those who espouse our Constitutional
Republic are sympathetic to corporations or any other collectivist organization
over that of the individual and his/her rights, even yours, you're way
wrong. The diffference between Communist socialism and fascist
socialism is only State Dictator Control VS State Corporate Control. It's
still socialist control to the exclusion of the individual. .
@joe5South Jordan, UT The article pointed out these specific
actions Mike Lee has already taken:- Presented an anti-poverty agenda that
transcends existing policies- Offered broad reform strokes on several
issues including:- consolidating and trimming federal programs-
expanding K-12 education opportunities to underprivileged students-
expanding access to higher education- reforming the fed's criminal
justice and penal system- Helped introduce the Leahy-Lee Patent reform
bill (praised by Obama administration)- Worked with Durbin (D) on
sentencing reform legislation- Worked with Feinstein (D) on indefinite
detention legislation- Worked with Schummer (D) on visa reform
legislationIt sounds to me like he has been very busy on doing a lot
more than just putting words on paper. What does he have to do to please you?
Switch parties?6:41 a.m. Dec. 17, 2013[Seriously?,
Because this sounds to me like Mike Lee is just spending MORE money, and
EXPANDING the Government.]========= Obama10SYRACUSE, UTGreat, just what we need, another Orrin Hatch representing
Utah. RINO!10:52 a.m. Dec. 17, 2013[Seriously? You are
calling Mike Lee a RINO? Now I KNOW the uber-far-right-freight-train has
left the tracks and gone off the cliff!]
Open Minded: Be specific. Which of those activities expand government and by how
much? It's nothing more than cheap theatrics to make a claim without an
argument to support it.Are you just assuming that because of the
word "expanding" in two of the ten items listed? Or do you have some
additional insight to provide us?
@ Tyler DRE: JDL, You sated, "You were doing fine (in your
dubious exercise of context-less quoting to make some non-sequitur points) until
you brought Ayn Rand into it – an ethical & mental midget among moral
& intellectual giants."There are times when less is more and
to add commentary only diminishes the point. JDL made no judgement as to the
morality or intellect of those he quoted but rather let their comments stand
alone, but since you opened the door, may I ask what qualification you employ to
make the distinction between an ethical & mental midget and a moral &
intellectual giant other than your own prejudice and narrow to non-existant
So King Lee, who may or may not have been acting on BO's behalf,
orchestrated the government shutdown fiasco with King Cruz in an attempt to take
over the world. (I'm not clear on that, I thought King Lee was acting in
concert with King Cruz to force the shut down but some of the blogs argue the
shutdown was orchestrated by BO, so I'm not sure whose idea it was, it all
gets so confusing, I can't imagine why King Lee and King Cruz would work
for BO) King Lee failed miserably, embarrassed his party, may have cost his
party the 2014 election and succeeded in making BO look presidential. Now
instead of apologizing and slinking off, King Lee is back with a new plan to
take over the world. I think this show has already been made and King Lee may
be violating one or more copyrights owned by Steven Spielberg. The show was
called Pinky and the Brain.
Last comment (because of the DNews unexplainable limitation on posts) and then I
can leave this sill discussion.One of the Few: Exactly how did Obama
look presidential during the shutdown. He whined about it. He got caught closing
things that cost more to close than keep open. He got into his finger-pointing
mode. He did absolutely nothing to resolve the problem but went to airwaves to
score political points. Never did he demonstrated any real caring for what
people were going through. In every way, he looked petty and petulant. So is
that what you expect from your president?
Mike Lee is in favor of education...just as long as he doesn't have to pay
for student loans.
Jowers, the man seeking to take the vote from the people, and give it to the
wealthy elites. Jowers, the man that created a petition that makes it so you
only need to win SL, Utah, and Washington county to get the nomination, and
leaves rural Utah out in the cold thinks he can dissect Mike Lee?? He begins his post with bias, when he calls what Mike Lee says is rhetoric,
rather than Mike Lee's message. Jowers also makes a false statement that
Lee has received a cold shoulder. Mike Lee's townhall meetings are always
full, and he receives much support from the community. This scares Jowers as it
places his CMV petition in jeopardy. Jowers is doing nothing more than
Good for Mike!Just think of all the time he will have to work on that
when he is no longer a Utah politician!
Mike Lee said that he wasn't going to hurt middle-class families. He
promised that he would fight for Utah familiesyet, he has a long
history of protecting the rich while attacking the middle-class and poor. My
business was severely hurt when he shut down the government. I feel like my
senator lied to me so he could push his agenda on me. I want new representation.
How do I know he's not just lying again so people forget what
he did? How do I know he's just not trying to be reelected again?
Sorry, but I don't understand. Everybody who votes KNOWS that
we need to vote out the self serving government that we have had for eons of
time.When somebody comes along who is trying to make changes, people
ridicule him?Mike Lee is trying to make necessary changes. He is
trying to do what he believes in. People, we all need to come together on this
and support Mike Lee. Just because he might not agree with the
"Popular" politician doesn't mean he is bad business.Do
your homework and find out for yourself what he represents. He represents
America the way it should be.
@G-Day-M8 – “may I ask what qualification you employ… other
than your own prejudice and narrow to non-existant tolerance?”I can hardly address all the quotes in 200 words but here’s my take on
Ayn Rand.Rather than making valid or sound arguments (what
philosophers do) she mostly makes bare assertions and appeals to authority
(which in Rand’s case are often appeals to statements made by the
characters in her own novels – hilarious!). She has some interesting
insights, but her ego and impatience for developing arguments ultimately make
her sound like a passionate sophomore.Her writings are filled with
bold & grand statements but she doesn’t have the patience for fine
distinctions, and so ironically she is a champion of rationality while herself
being too lazy to be rational.Finally, she completely misunderstands
Aristotle (her favorite philosopher) – namely, that foundational to his
ethics, social relationships are everything – for Rand, only the
individual matters (and the vast majority – moochers –
don’t).I could go on all day… relative to her own ego,
she is a mental midget and has more in common with cult leaders than
thanks to you MIKE LEE.i along with many more wish you success and
long terms in office trying. keep on trying to reduce the federal budget and the
national nightmare of liberal out of control spending.there are some
legit needs in social programs and there are many that are out of control
nonsense give away programs, some to corporate welfare/agriculture and many to
the so called poor. please keep looking for the incredible waste in most federal
programs.there are some out of control EPA regulations and business
regulations. please focus on these economy killing problems also.thanks again.
"that the government has no money of its own and that when it gives a
dollar, that dollar has been taken from someone else’s pocket."That statement, so often used by the anti-Americans in their war against the
American creed, is an absolute TRUTH. The lie is in the insinuation that it
only applies to government. Money is the life blood of our economy
and has value only when used to exchange for goods or services. The money in
your pocket is not worth anything unless you can spend it. It is likely that the
dollar mentioned has been in thousands of pockets belonging to workers,
businessmen, priests, teenagers, and any one with a product to sell. When we give money, taxes, to government we are buying those things that we
can't buy from private enterprise.
Everyone gets to Washington with some very idealist ideas on what they can do
while there. The problem is that there are few hundred other people there with
their own objets and so called mandates as well. And only so many are willing
to fall on a sword to help you achieve your own goals.It has
happened with every President elected, every congressman and woman, and even
those appointed to positions. And then over time, they realize their world got
a bit more complicated and that Washington, nor the world revolves around
you.Just perhaps Mike has finally learned this lesson. Many of the
goals of the Tea Party are worthy..... but their tactics and self absorbedness
where they think the entire world should bend to their point of view has proven
to be ineffective, and counter productive.Sometimes to get a little
of what you want, you have to let the other person get a little of what they
Face it, Lee and the Tea partiers are the future of this country!Their
deficits are just fine.Excessive spending on the military is just fine.Welfare (corporate) is encouraged!No more middle class, as they continue
to lose their buying power.
Mike Lee is for education, always has been.He is just not for
FEDERAL education or a federal education system. No one should be.
To those of you out there who hate Mike Lee, I have one simple thing to tell
you: Mike Lee is one of the few people in the Senate who understands and follows
the constitution. People like Orrin hatch on the other hand, put politics ahead
of the constitution. I am not saying that Orrin Hatch is a bad guy, I am simply
saying that his priorities are a little mixed up. Mike Lee is hated because he
is willing to stand on principle rather than politics. To you haters the one
thing I will say is: you so not understand how this country is supposed to
function or the intent of the constitution.
The only thing Lee will change is the picture of himself that he presents to the
public, provided of course that's what it takes to get more money and
votes. He is a disaster who, unfortunately, has found a place to happen. Utah
and the United States are not well served as a result.
As a Republican Lee has made me embarrassed. I look forward to someone that
really cares about our country.
JazzsmackHolladay, UTMike Lee is for education, always has been.He is just not for FEDERAL education or a federal education system.No one should be.6:19 p.m. Dec. 17, 2013========= How do you assure a Doctor from Alabama doing YOUR open
heart is as equally educated as one from Michigan?How do you assure
a Pilot from Idaho is as educated as one from New Jersey.How do you
assure a nuclear physisist from Utah can work with those from New Mexico?Your comment lacks what is needed for America.
‘Mike Lee will change the tea party’======== I suppose he can, once he is done with changing himself.round and round he goes, where stops, nobody knows...
Real Maverick: Mike Lee didn't lie to you. He did exactly what he said he
would do, which meant to stop the spending, limited government, etc. If your
business happened to be in line with that change, swallow and face the music.
Anything else would be to maintain the status quo and ignore the problems, which
is what the Democrats and Republicans want! Mike Lee is the best Senator the
State of Utah has ever had. My advice to him would be to get out after two terms
or he will be just all the rest!
Lee's "change" of anything is a minor change in tone. It is not
"bold" it's just desperate.
"The government shutdown was a sham, planned weeks in advance by the Obama
Administration and blame is being put on Senators Lee and Cruz."You do realize that Lee's change of heart is evidence that no one (who
doesn't listen to AM radio) believes this, including Lee and Cruz. The next
shutdown is already being discussed by Republicans. No doubt Sean and Rush will
soon begin calling it the "Second Obama Partial Shutdown." Serving advance notice that he would/will not negotiate paying bills Congress
has racked up did/does not make Obama responsible when Congress defaults.
Just a note here to all you Lee haters... Mike was one of the few in the Senate
who voted NO on the current budget because it CUTS military pensions - this
means it cuts the living pensions to those wounded warriors who get their legs
blown off by an IED in the middle east and have to retire because they
CAN'T WALK!!! Orin Hatch voted in favor of the wounded warrior pension cut.
With all the gross waste in our government you are telling me we just had to cut
our wounded vets pensions?? People in Utah need to WISE UP and understand what
Mike is fighting for and what Hatch allows to slide by....
Not a Lee hater, but when you take a drastic action to shut down the government
you should accept consequence of failure. It would be the right thing to do for
him to resign effective january 1, 2014.
patriotCedar Hills, UT- this means it cuts the living pensions
to those wounded warriors who get their legs blown off by an IED in the middle
east and have to retire because they CAN'T WALK!!! =========
patriot, You realize the had not GW Bush and th
Republicans in congress not dragged us into the Middle East, 1. We would
not have lost $3 Trillion2. We would not NEED to increase military
spending3. No American veterans would have had their legs blown off and
NEED to retire, and would STILL be walking.
School's have their degrees and certificationsMedicine had
their boards, licensers and certifications.NO federal government
required or needed.Believe it or not the medical world can take care
of themselves, as can any other profession.Ib a truly free society,
there will always be risk and personal responsibility, responsibility to
ascertain whether your doctor is licensed and board certified. Why
you believe you need the federal government to manage and control your life and
business and everyone else's is beyond me.
Why didn't Lee come out with this tremendous agenda, say one or two years