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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 17 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

In 2100 Salt Lake City will have the climate of Las Vegas. Las Vegas will have the climate of Death Valley. Note that both Las Vegas and Death Valley have days where it unusually cold. That doesn't negate the fact that their average temperatures are significantly hotter than are ours.

So in 2100 SLC will still be suitable for human habitation, just like Vegas is now. Places like Vegas and Phoenix will no longer support large human communities. Phoenix will probably become uninhabitable first, but that will be because they run out of water.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

The letter writer, who is attempting to differentiate between "weather and climate" seems to confuse "weather and climate"

"Last July was the hottest summer ever recorded in Salt Lake City." = Weather

"And while we are now shivering with an inversion" = Weather

"we forget that it was colder in the past" = Weather

"The record cold was recorded in 1932 when the temperature plunged to minus 20 degrees" = Weather

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

While we're likely to have all the climate deniers chiming in shorty, there are two key points why Utah needs to worry about climate change.

One, projections are that within this century, we'll have significantly less water coming our way. Given that we're already the second-driest state in the union, this will impact our agricultural industry and our future generations (our own kin, given that many of our children plan to stay in Utah).

Two, projections indicate that even the few degrees of added warmth will impact our snow pack. That is, the snow that we do get will melt faster and slip by, making it harder for our booming population to use it.

Of course, we need to plan ahead -- convert our energy system to be less reliant on steam and water (e.g., more solar, wind) rather than water-intensive fracking and coal- and gas-fired plants. We need to drastically cut lawns and water-intensive plants around our homes. And we need to stop water subsidies.

Water is precious. And there'll be a lot less of it for our kids and grandkids.

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Agreed!
It's not just the warmer Temperatures that effect "Climate Change", but the weather patterns.

Utah has not only been getting hotter with Global Warming,
but it has also been getting drier.

Hence -- Climate Change.

Conservatives just don't get it,
never have, probably never will.

higv
Dietrich, ID

Climate and weather are things we have zero control over. Why let it control us?

higv
Dietrich, ID

I would much rather have warmer weather than colder weather myself. It is much more pleasant. Can't stand cold weather.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Fox news said the world is cooling. We all know they tell 100% of the truth 100% of the time and did exhaustive and objective research to come to that conclusion.

higv
Dietrich, ID

In the 1960's people freaked out over population and Paul Ehrlich said it would be bad do to population. His prophecies failed big time. Much of the global warming crowd there prophecies will as well.

higv
Dietrich, ID

Media is a better reinforcer of what people choose to believe than informer. People that lament Fox many regularly watch MSNBC because it agrees with what they believe. Science and media are a lot better re inforcers of what people choose to believe than information informers.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re: Baron Scarpia "One, projections are that within this century, we'll have significantly less water coming our way"...

Al Gore predicted the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice free in five years. Gore made the prediction to a German audience in 2008 (5 years ago).

Two years the Global Warming scientists predicted more Hurricanes than usual... we experienced exactly Zero Hurricanes.

Many climate changes we HAVE experienced they DIDNT predict.

So spouting their various predictions as if fact... doesn't work. They cried wolf too much.

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Re: LDS Tree-Hugger "Utah has not only been getting hotter with Global Warming,
but it has also been getting drier"....

Hate to break this to you Hugger, but Utah has been getting drier for hundreds of thousands of years. Most of Utah used to be under water. Utah once had a tropical climate (when dinosaurs lived here). It's been getting drier in Utah for a LONG time. And no... man was not there to cause our climate to change back in the dinosaur age.

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I acknowledge climate changes (naturally). But I'm not sure you can blame it on humans (since it obviously happened when humans were not around also).

Semi-Strong
Louisville, KY

LDS Tree-Hugger,

First, there are conservatives who get it (I think I do and I consider myself a conservative of the "old school").

Second, eventually we will all get it. The problem is, what options will we then have? As you know, the choices get fewer and more expensive with each passing year.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@higv – “Science and media are a lot better re inforcers of what people choose to believe than information informers.”

This statement tells us everything we need to know about the minds of climate change deniers, as anyone who would confuse science (which explains objective facts after repeated & continuous testing of hypotheses) with media (which on some channels would make Joseph Goebbels proud) is likely incapable of understanding what does and does not constitute knowledge.

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

Roland Kayser: "In 2100 Salt Lake City will have the climate of Las Vegas."

At least the alarmists are getting smarter; unlike Al Gore and others who claimed the Arctic would be ice-free in 2013, the climate modelers who predicted that temperatures would rise over the last decade and a half and the should-be-embarrassed climate scientists who forecasted increased hurricanes and tornadoes. Now, many of them are putting their predictions out far enough that not many of us will be around to say "I told you so".

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@2bits
"Al Gore predicted the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice free in five years. Gore made the prediction to a German audience in 2008 (5 years ago)."

The science in the IPCC report projection around that time was for the Arctic to reach basically ice-free in summer by mid-late century. We're currently still ahead of even the earliest of model projection pace. I don't care what Al Gore says, I care about what the scientists are saying.

"Two years the Global Warming scientists predicted more Hurricanes than usual... we experienced exactly Zero Hurricanes."

Two years ago we did tied for the 3rd most atlantic storms on record. There were 10 hurricanes. Just because they didn't hit the US as hurricanes (you are correct that Sandy was post-tropical at that point) doesn't mean they don't count.

As for this year, I'd recommend Jeff Masters' post "The Unusually Quiet Atlantic Hurricane Season of 2013 Ends" which details what the predictions for this year were based on and why they failed.

Sven
Morgan, UT

Nice try reality deniers, but AGW is a fraud of epic proportions. In order to push this garbage, the left has had to manipulate their data in order to get their desired results. Case in point was the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit, where leaked e-mails and documents proved these "scientists" were cooking the data in order to get the conclusion they desired. And you folks call us "deniers"?

Now we have the leaked reports/data from the IPCC that show several of their models have overstated the rise in the temperatures the earth actually experienced. We haven't warmed in 16 years!

Sorry reality deniers, but facts are not on your side. You told us the polar ice caps would be gone in 2008; they're still here, and have actually grown by 29%. You told us we would have increased and devastating hurricanes; hurricane activity has declined. 2013 had record cold temps across the nation and Antarctica. Sorry, but you've cried wolf one too many times.

Funny you reality deniers never take into account the biggest factor in our earths heating and cooling...the sun!

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

If you went back to see what Al Gore actually said you would see your chest thumping is a bit of an over gloat. Actually watch it, listen, learn. Because he warned us, you continually misquote, misinterpret and misrepresent. Using climate change as some political tennis ball is un-conscionable since not a single one of you know what man's role in the changes we are witnessing. Doing nothing is what will come back to haunt your children, not whether you overreacted to a problem.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Sven
"Climategate" was a bust with no real evidence of any wrongdoing. Not to mention that the other four datasets (NOAA, NASA, RSS, UAH) all show similar warming trends to CRU even though UAH for instance is a satellite dataset led by an AGW skeptic.

In 2008 the projection would be that the Arctic would be sea-ice free by the mid to late 21st century. We're still trending downward (when one uses more than a 2-yr sample size) on pace to be somewhat ahead of the earliest of the predicted range.

The Antarctica cold record was a location with minimal historical record. It could've been colder several times the past century and we just wouldn't know since we didn't have observations.

As for U.S. cold... the US is roughly 2% the landmass of the globe (and Salt Lake hasn't even been within 4 degrees of a record low yet). Look at global temperatures. In the UAH dataset the anomalies (relative to 1980-2010) for each of the 11 months this year so far are: +.496 +0.203 +0.200 +0.114 +0.082 +0.295 +0.173 +0.158 +0.365 +0.290 +0.193.

2013 so far: +.233C above 1980-2010 average.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Sven
"Climategate" was a bust with no real evidence of any wrongdoing. Not to mention that the other four datasets (NOAA, NASA, RSS, UAH) all show similar warming trends to CRU even though UAH for instance is a satellite dataset led by an AGW skeptic.

In 2008 the projection would be that the Arctic would be sea-ice free by the mid to late 21st century. We're still trending downward (when one uses more than a 2-yr sample size) on pace to be somewhat ahead of the earliest of the predicted range.

The Antarctica cold record was a location with minimal historical record. It could've been colder several times the past century and we just wouldn't know since we didn't have observations.

As for U.S. cold... the US is roughly 2% the landmass of the globe (and Salt Lake hasn't even been within 4 degrees of a record low yet). Look at global temperatures. In the UAH dataset the anomalies (relative to 1980-2010) for each of the 11 completed months this year: +.496 +0.203 +0.200 +0.114 +0.082 +0.295 +0.173 +0.158 +0.365 +0.290 +0.193.

2013 so far: +.233C above 1980-2010 average.

Ninjutsu
Sandy, UT

Really, Sven?

"Nice try reality deniers..."

To whom are you speaking with this "you" you use so much in the previous post? I know there are some people who are able to separate the statements made by media pundits, politicians, and radios talk show hosts, and those made by climate scientists. Evidently you cannot. "We" are not saying those things. Scientists are. We would do well to ignore the opinions of non-scientists and dig into the research ourselves--those of us who are capable of doing so.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@higv – “Science and media are a lot better re inforcers of what people choose to believe than information informers.”

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let me understand where you're coming from....

Science - based on facts and data - is not real, but re-enforces a belief.
Media - FauxNews is the only source for the "information informer", everything else is the -- "Liberal Media" bent on reporting only lies.
Religion -- even when God comes right out and says over and over again that we are to act on "Faith" which is a belief in something un-seen -- un-obervable....and is the only source of your data.

I think you have it 180 turned around.

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