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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 17 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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cjb
Bountiful, UT

The fact that the police will respond to anyone's call is charity. The fact that the military protects everyone in the country from foreign invasion is charity. The fact that all children can attend public school is charity. I could go on.

There are benefits and obligations of living in a society, yet we all choose to group together and cooperate, because of all the benefits.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

"On a brighter note, private charity and giving are alive and well".

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Were that really the case, government never would have gotten into the charity 'business' in the first place. Volunteerism and donations would have filled all necessary gaps. But this wasn't the case, therefore government saw fit to step in.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

@ cjb. Police and firemen respond to calls because they are PAID to respond, not because of charity! Teachers teach because that is what they are PAID to do! Come on man!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

I served in the military --
I was PAID $350 a month.

I did not serve just because I was PAID,
I served, because I beleived in a higher cause than just money -- it was for my love of Country.
THAT is called Charity.

Police and Firemene, and School Teachers make less money than the private sector for the SAME reason.

Why do you conservatives always equate and value things based strictly around money?

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Charity is alive and well, which is a great thing.

But if a person with no means needs heart bypass surgery, how is charity expected to pay for that? Even if the money could be collected, it would demolish the charity budget of many families, leaving many other needs to go unfulfilled. Or do we let the person die, and hope charity takes care of their kids?

Charity has had many, many decades to meet the healthcare needs of the less fortunate, and we're still coming up way short. It's not even close. It was the longest audition in history, and it didn't go well.

Conservatives need to put the Ayn Rand books back on the shelf, and realize there are common sense, economic reasons to get health coverage for the less fortunate, not the least of which is to get the ridiculous amounts of cost shifting under control so we can get realistic cost information for healthcare and start bringing those costs under better control.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

@ LDS liberal. char·i·ty noun \ˈcher-ə-tē, ˈcha-rə-\

: the act of giving money, food, or other kinds of help to people who are poor, sick, etc.; also : something (such as money or food) that is given to people who are poor, sick, etc

Studies have shown that conservatives give far more to charity than liberals. Look it up for yourself and learn something about real charity!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"Where is the spirit of giving in such a situation?"

It's in your heart.

It's how you choose to feel and think about it.

Lowonoil
Clearfield, UT

@Thid Barker "Studies have shown that conservatives give far more to charity than liberals. Look it up for yourself and learn something about real charity!"

Studies have also shown tht when you stop including remittances to the religion industry in your definition of "charity" that statistic changes dramatically.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Thid Barker
Victor, ID
@ LDS liberal. char·i·ty noun \ˈcher-ə-tē, ˈcha-rə-\

: the act of giving money, food, or other kinds of help to people who are poor, sick, etc.; also : something (such as money or food) that is given to people who are poor, sick, etc

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You? lecturing me? about char·i·ty noun \ˈcher-ə-tē, ˈcha-rə-\

1. I average 6 hours a week with the BoyScouts.
2. I spend 4 hours a week assisting widows.
3. I volunteer weekly reading at the nearby Elementary Schools.
4. I give 5% of my INCOME to United Way, and local homeless shelters.
5. Once a month I go to Pioneer Park and hand out sandwiches -- [I've was even sited once for not have a food handlers permit].
6. Bi-weekly, I go to the VA hospital and give Priesthood blessings.
7. I donate time reparing automobiles for the homeless.
8. I ALWAYS give to panhandlers.
9. I don't carry a weapon, nor feel a need to.
10. I AM the SecretSanta.
11. My children are liberals just like me.

BTW --
I have not even begun to list my LDS church callings and assignments.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Michele Margolis and Michael Sances note that Brooks' conclusion comes from a dataset that doesn't really ask how conservative people are politically so much as how conservative they are socially. Using a dataset which uses more traditional questions to test political beliefs - the General Social Survey - they found no statistically significant relationship between peoples' political beliefs, or their partisan affiliation, and their charitable giving level. And this held at the state level too. There was no significant relationship between a state's level of giving and the vote share that Bush received in that state in 2004.
However, they did find that there was a strong relationship between political beliefs and what kind of giving people engaged in. Conservative individuals and individuals in red states were more likely to donate to religious organizations, a finding that Margolis and Sances found to be statistically significant: Conversely, blue states were likely to give to secular organizations.

But Margolis and Sances' work should put to rest the idea that liberals and conservatives differ in the level, rather than the form, of their charitable giving."
(Washington Post)

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Not lecturing you and I am sure you are a very charitable person. Merry Christmas!

@ lowonoil. Much of the money I donate to my church goes directly to helping the poor in humanitarian aid.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

Forced charity isn't charity and our federal government was never designed to be the provider of forced charity. It was designed for foreign policy for our nation and protection and trade regulation.

Our state governments are better places to have programs like medicaid or medicare and social security because the people who pay for it have a better say in how its used to help.

Federal power over states in how they provide charity is the problem and that is why medicaid expansion is a bad idea.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

The Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University found that:

"Of the estimated $101.00 billion given by all donors to religious causes, 20.1% ($20.28 billion) is estimated to have gone toward benevolences focused on the poor. Another 3.8% of the total ($3.86 billion) is estimated in benevolences contributed in response to needs in a general population and not focused specifically on the needs of people in lower income groups. The remaining 76.1% ($76.86 billion) went to congregational operations."

Maudine
SLC, UT

@thid barker

And we're does the money come from to pay teachers, fireman and police officers? Oh that's right the same place as Medicaid funding our taxes (forced charity according to this letter). Come on man.
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Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

The de Tocqueville quotation is bogus. And that's just the beginning of what's wrong with this rant. Does Sen. Christensen really believe that a few bucks from his wallet are all that's necessary to provide systematic care to the 10 percent of our population who will NEVER be able to care for themselves? He may feel "warm and fuzzy" about his crummy handout, but those who are physically or mentally disabled in our society need more than that. They need organized, systematic support -- and that won't get it as long as selfish and ignorant Republicans are in charge.

Maudine
SLC, UT

Where not we're

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

True charity is not about getting a "warm fuzzy". It might mean making a real sacrifice, challenging your mindset, or helping someone you don't particularly like.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Thid Barker
Victor, ID
@ LDS liberal. char·i·ty noun \ˈcher-ə-tē, ˈcha-rə-\

: the act of giving money, food, or other kinds of help to people who are poor, sick, etc.; also : something (such as money or food) that is given to people who are poor, sick, etc

Studies have shown that conservatives give far more to charity than liberals. Look it up for yourself and learn something about real charity!

8:15 a.m. Dec. 17, 2013

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One more thing I forgot to mention --
I pay a full Tithe, but did not list it as "Charity" because Tithing is NOT Charity.

Charity is the pure love of Christ.

Paying Tithing only becomes "charitable" because of the laws of the Government and the IRS.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Maudine. if you don't pay your taxes they come and put you in prison! So much for taxes being charity!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Since when did Government Social Programs become "Charity"?

As far as I know, the Government and the laws of the land have never even tried to call Social Programs "charity".

It seems some of you are simply having trouble defining terms.

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