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Published: Monday, Dec. 16 2013 6:10 p.m. MST

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Capsaicin
Salt Lake City, UT

Simple solution: sell the land. Let the private owners do what they will with it. No longer a state/city issue.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Tear it down or sell the land. Christian hegemony has no place continuing to dominate our secular government and public square.

Ranch
Here, UT

Sell the land to a private religious group and let them use their "charitable" donations to fund maintenance.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

And to the Republic. Republic; a group of people working in the same field. This is our country, our field we are working in. We are the group of people. Who are we, We are people who can count on and depend on each other, it's what we do. That's our religion.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

Either the Constitution allows for any religious display on public land or it allows none – what it clearly does not allow is the display of some and the exclusion of others.

When our public monuments are strewn with gaudy icons from every religion around the world, Christians may rue the day they chose to fight these silly and inconsequential battles (since they can display whatever they want on private land… like churches).

But I suspect this fight is less a well thought out long term strategy and more about all the warm & fuzzy feelings generated by being on the “side of Jesus” in our ongoing (and largely make believe) culture war.

JDL
Magna, UT

@ Tyler D

You posted: Either the Constitution allows for any religious display on public land or it allows none – what it clearly does not allow is the display of some and the exclusion of others.

You completely mis-repersent the constitution, particularly the 1st amendment which reads Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

Congress enacted no law that caused the erection of the cross in this article nor has there been any law prohibiting it made by Congress. The 1st amendment actually forbids Congress from enacting any such law. The supreme Judiciary Court would have to find the 1st amendment unconstitutional which they can't do because "it is" the constitution. The lower courts can hear cases and rule but they are inconsequential because the judiciary, which includes the Supreme Court has zero constitutional law making authority. That is not to say that Congress has been remiss in her duty to prohibit the judiciary from usurping the unconstitutional power of legislating from the bench.

Pretty simple really.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

Your narrow and literalistic interpretation may have had some validity in 1787, but with the passage of the 14th Amendment, the precedent set by Marbury (that the SC - and by extension the lower courts - decides what is constitutional), not to mention Article III and IV of the Constitution, I know of no legal scholar today, liberal or conservative, who would agree with it.

Further, I cannot think of anything the Founders said that would lead to your view, but we can find evidence to the contrary – like Madison saying he thought Chaplains in the military were unconstitutional and a violation of the 1st amendment.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Chaplains are even appointed by Congress let alone by the passage of a law.

So yes, I would say it is pretty simple but I fail to connect the dots the way you did.

Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

Ever noticed that no group forces their belifes on another more
then the non believers?

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Phillip M Hotchkiss wrote:

"Ever noticed that no group forces their belifes on another more
then the non believers?"

Nope. Probably because, unlike some people who believe in fantasies and fiction, most of the rest of us only notice things that are real and true.

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