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Published: Sunday, Dec. 15 2013 1:05 p.m. MST

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sammyg
Springville, UT

Hard to imagine anyone living out in Park Valley but that's where I tuned into the game early in the second half. What a mess of a game I listened to during the brief few minutes I had.

I made no predictions for this game as to avoid any embarrassments should they happen. It was difficult to listen to the comedy of errors exhibited by the Cougars last night but alas they do occur at the most inopportune moments. Lots of errors, mistakes, forced shots and plain bad luck.

Congrats to the Utes for their game as they brought it last night and good luck to them in their season. Maybe basketball will be their bright spot this year.

I believe Coach k is figuring some things out on how to keep his job.

Cosmo's Cousin
Holladay, UT

The Deseret News is absolutely right. BYU was so used to beating Utah, the Cougars didn't really practice or prepare very hard. With a little more fine tuning before and practice, BYU could beat Utah. The Blue has more talent and experience on the court.

I hate to say it but it's a 100 percent true, the better team lost. BYU beat themselves this time.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

I wouldn't go so far as saying "the Utes are back". This game was validation that Coach K has them on the right track. The win wasn't the surprise, since Utes only lost by 3 in Provo last year. The blowout was the surprise. Total dominance made Cougar fans set aside all the hype and question how good their own team really is. Just like football, it is great to own the scoreboard, but conference play is the true test. Go Utes!

rj
Moss, Norway

The stat that jumps out at me is the difference in assists. Utah-18 BYU-10 When shots aren't falling, start spreading the ball around. Suddenly the floor opens up and players are getting better looks. Ten assists is terrible -- indicative of a group of individuals trying to do much on their own, rather than using each other.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

What an embarrassing loss. If you are going to get creamed at least get creamed by a good team.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

I've expressed my distaste for Carlino on these pages and some fellow Cougar fans have told me I'm wrong about him. Evidence for the prosecution:

Against Utah, 3-15 (20%) from the floor. Forget the percentage; that's 15 shots in 20 minutes! With ZERO assists! That's just hideous if you're a shooting guard, and Carlino's supposed to be playing the point! Rose has to be beyond frustrated.

He takes almost five threes a game and is shooting 28%. That's beyond awful. The guy is done. The handful of stellar games he'll give us in conference play are not worth the stinkbombs he'll put up.

Samwise
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah came to play, BYU came to lay an egg. As much as it hurts to say this as a BYU fan, I gotta give credit where credit is due. Based on that game, Utah is the better team this year. Now as to who will have the better season, that remains to be seen. But if both teams continue to play like they did in that game, Utah will have a good season and BYU will have a poor one. Luckily, that was by far the worst BYU has played all year. As a certified blue-goggled BYU fan, I still believe that BYU will not only have a good season, but will be the better team for the rest of the season. But that belief has nothing to do with that game. It pains me to acknowledge this, but Utah has all the bragging rights in this rivalry as of right now. um... Go Cougars, don't stink that bad the rest of the season please.

golfrUte
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ Cosmos Cousin

BYU had more talent on the floor, really? BYU has three players; Haws, Collingsworth and Mika. Austin can't stay out of foul trouble, Carlino is not a point guard, and the rest of the team, who knows? The Utes have more depth and more athleticism top to bottom. I respect Coach Rose and his program and he acknowledged that the Utes are more athletic than his team. Clearly the Utes have played an ultra soft schedule thus far, but Coach K inherited a train wreck and it's evident he has the program turning in the right direction. A win over BYU does not make a season, but If BYU didn't practice hard and prepare for the Utah game, shame on them. No excuses.

Go Utes!!

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

I appreciate the perspective of some of the BYU fans here, but how anyone can watch that game and say BYU is better is beyond me.

One person said it very well it was five individuals vs a team of 5 working together. Utah held BYU 30 points below their season average for crying out loud!!

BYU will continue to beat teams on their schedule that the should beat, and lose to the good teams on their schedule Their RPI will continue to fall because their conference schedule is a cream puff outside of Zaga and St. Mary's. They will certainly get to 20 wins, but will it be enough for a NCAA birth. They need to hope that Utah, Stanford and Texas do really well in their conferences.

Utah will be tested against the Pac-12, their RPI will rise considerably. I would expect them to be in the middle tier of the Pac-12. It will be interesting to see if they can get to 20 wins. That would likely mean 9 Pac-12 wins (assuming Utah beats Tex St. and St. Kat), including the tournament, which I think is reachable.

But, one thing is for certain, Utah is better than BYU this year.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Cosmos Cousin

"The Blue has more talent and experience on the court.

I hate to say it but it's a 100 percent true, the better team lost. BYU beat themselves this time."

Uh, what did you see that made you think BYU was the better team? Utah had its worst shooting game of the season and it still ran away from the Cougs. The better team was, and it was obvious to anyone who watched.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

The last time I saw byu play was one year ago when they hosted Utah. Other than that, I read the comments on these sports boards. Based on those comments, byu basketball seemed bigger than life itself...a veritable model of baketball's elite. I really thought byu would run away with the game.

What I saw Saturday night left me in shock. It was the same type of byu play I saw a year ago...zero defense and a selfish offense that is determined to let one or two individuals take the shots. More validation that you people are just plain nuts.

I hope that every potential recruit in Utah watched that game Saturday night and asks the question...do I want to learn to run down the floor really, really fast and try to score, or do I want to learn to play basketball?

Nuf' said.

caleb in new york
Glen Cove, NY

wow. A new bracketology from Lunardi just came out today. BYU is projected in as a 10th seed (so they are above the last 8 in) and utah is outside and didn't even make the last 8 out. Still a lot left to be decided over the course of the season.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

BYU played as if they all want to be Jimmer. No extra passes to the open man and little defense. Rose is amgood coach, but the Jimmer hangover has lasted too long. The Utes schooled them with a team showing in a team sport.

daver
Provo, 00

Chronic underachievement points to coaching, both in football AND basketball. Wow, never thought I would say that about a Rose-led team!!!

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Utah exposed BYU's biggest weakness--the preference of individual play over team play. Against stiff competition, or when they are playing from behind, BYU has about 4 players who think they can carry the team, and selfishness rules the day. I have pointed this out after several games. Everybody wants to be Jimmer, especially when the pressure is on.

Jimmer WAS a great player and was the reason for most of BYU's success. And his legacy has probably really helped the recruiting effort. But I also wonder if this legacy has created a monster that Rose has been unable to control. No longer are the days when Rose just has to say, "Give the ball to 'so-and-so' and let him win the game for us," even though it is obvious that's what he WANTS to do. Since the Jimmer days, there remains the culture that individual play trumps team play, and if you score enough points you don't have to play defense. This is a "cancer" that the coaches will have to work very hard to remove.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Well I called that game!

Utah is the best team in the state, and frankly, it didn't even look close!

Where is my byu friend tators who told me byu would win?

The silence is deafening!

Go UTES

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

I'm just so happy that we wiped the floor with byU.

They barely deserve to be on the same floor as we do after what happened Saturday.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

I'm getting worried this horrible non conference schedule beating up on teams like Evergreen and byU we aren't preparing for #1 Arizona(twice), and top 25 teams Oregon and rival Colorado twice each as well.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

idablu

"Utah exposed BYU's biggest weakness--the preference of individual play over team play. Against stiff competition, or when they are playing from behind, BYU has about 4 players who think they can carry the team, and selfishness rules the day. I have pointed this out after several games. Everybody wants to be Jimmer, especially when the pressure is on.

Jimmer WAS a great player and was the reason for most of BYU's success."

Jimmer was a great shooter, not a great player. Fredette didn't learn to play defense or how to be a team player (passing) under Rose and now he's riding the pine in the NBA. Rose handled Fredette in exactly the same manner he is dealing with his team now...no defense and no playing as a team.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Is it any wonder the BYU fans believe they have never been beaten... they have only lost, ever? When they're feed that line from the media. It's not what the other team did or didn't do...no, it always what the Y team did. Did they show up? Did they did a hole from which they did not recover, etc..

In basketball it's five against five on the court, yet it's only what the five Y's guys did! Even in a game as lopsided as this one it was only what the Y did... not what the Utah coaches, fans, and players did.... it was the fact the y's guys dug a hole which they could not get out of.

Of course that also explained the 9 of 12 last football games.

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