Published: Saturday, Dec. 14 2013 12:00 a.m. MST
Art. Haven't you learned anything about liberals? Any means to achieve
their goal of Marxism in America, their last world conquest! Lying is ok,
cheating just fine as long as it forces "social justice" (soft word for
communism) upon America. This Obamacare bait and switch is just the latest, but
it won't be the last! Why won't it be the last? Because millions of
voters are addicted to their "free cheese". China, Russia, Cuba, N Korea
et al did it with their tanks and machine guns of their military but our
liberals are doing with free entitlements. The only problem American liberals
like Obama, Pelosi and Reid have is paying for it all! They are running out of
other people's money, especially our grandchildren's money ($20
trillion national debt by 2016). And as they constantly tell us, its all
GWB's and the GOP's fault when the rest of us demand accountability
and honesty from them!
So how does Obama intend to move us to single payer when his credibility is
Art and friends: Please look at "List of countries by unemployment
rate" at Wikipedia.Here are a few selected countries.Denmark 6.7 percentGermany 5.2 percentGreece
27.6 percentItaly 12.0 percentNorway 3.5
percentSpain 27.2 percentSweden 7.3 percentSwitzerland 3.1 percentUnited Kingdom 7.7 percentUnited
States 7.2 percentSome of those nefarious European Socialist
countries are doing better than us (USA). That is in spite of the
"fact" that Mr. Obama "lies" in bed at night trying to come up
with better ways to destroy this country.
Actually, a single payer system offers greater freedom in that it does not tie
you to any specific job just to get health care, and it removes a huge monkey
off the backs of employers.
I agree. Devious people has been causing chaos for ever. the only way for evil
to triumph, is when good people do nothing. The problem is the frog in the pot
slowly being boiled to death.
What ObamaCare has done is show us the character of those who foisted that
program on America. It shows which politicians would offer bribes to other
politicians (Louisiana, Nebraska, unions). It showed which politicians would
use power and authority to deny others time to fully read the bill (Pelosi and
Reid). It showed which politician refused to implement the law, as written,
choosing instead to postpone the effects of that legislation until after he was
out of office (Obama). It showed which judges ignored authorized enumerated
duties in the Constitution and declared that ObamaCare was a tax and that
Congress had the authority to tax us - totally ignoring the limits that the
people placed on Congress on what Congress can tax us for (headed by Chief
Justice Roberts).The test of life is to have our character revealed.
ObamaCare has done that. It has shown us how many scoundrels have been elected
to public office. It has shown us the depth of their corruption.
Oh my word give it a break. It's the law, it's under way, and your
ideological rants about socialism and communism are just....I'll get
bounced for saying it.
The President is on record for wanting a single payer system. Pelosi and Reid,
the leaders of congress at the time the bill passed, are on record for wanting a
single payer system. The person tapped to be in charge, Sebelius, is on record
for wanting a single payer system. With these four leaders, knowing what they
want, is there any question that this was designed to not work.Remember when Pelosi said that we need to pass it to see what's in it.
That also means that no leader understood it, which is why the President
continually gets a pass for his lies...er "misstatements". The reason it
needed to be passed so quickly, is that if people did actually read it and begin
to understand it, then there would have been no way for the bill to pass. Oh,
but wait, there were some people that did get their hands on some of it, and did
try to warn the public. But, they continually (and continue) to be labeled as
racist or something.Continued...
Continued...One of the biggest reasons, I think, this bill was
designed to not work...There are people who keep saying that this is just "a
step in the right direction". Is it any wonder where these people's
steps are leading us. This was designed to put so much incompetence out that
would make people take even more steps in their direction. Those steps lead to
what the four leaders are on record for desiring. With the end being more and
Communist China is at 6.5% and moving to biggest economy in the world. Using the
private insurance companies to provide healthcare is hardly socialist. the
random throwing around of 1950's labels is absurd.
Yea for Socialism, it’s the part of civilized society the makes modern
living possible. If it is choice you want, go live by yourself
outside civilized society. You can do any thing you want and have all the
freedom to boot. Just don’t expect to do or have any of the things
provided by the social agreement of socialized society.
Mike, please direct me to the part of the ObamaCare where I might read that
information for myself. Is the test of life available for our use
with local and state Politians as well?
Socialism doesn't set up a private insurance marketplace... and this sure
wasn't socialism when the Heritage Foundation was proposing it, or when the
Republican alternative to Hillarycare was the individual mandate (she had the
employer mandate), or when Romney instituted it. But no, only when Obama does it
is it socialism.
Please name the insurance companies that have gone out of business. How many
people do you, personally, know who have actually lost their insurance? Please
name a doctor who is being forced to participate and define your use of the word
forced.All of this is appears to be an urban myth. I have yet to
see an identity of a single person who is losing everything because of the
Affordable Care Act.
I am amazed by the over-the-top hyperbole of the ACA's conservative
critics. The individual mandate and state-run exchanges of PRIVATE
insurance providers was a Republican idea. It's exactly what Massachusetts
adopted, and has run successfully, for years.I get it - there's no
limit to how much you guys just hate-hate-hate that Obama. No objective evidence
can change your opinion. But here's a dose of reality that you
really need to deal with: The ACA is here to stay. There's not a
snowball's chance in Death Valley that it will be repealed or defunded. People are signing up for health insurance in increasing numbers. People
who previously couldn't afford, or buy at any price, insurance are now
getting insured. Healthcare inflation is now going _down_. Junk policies are
being replaced by real insurance plans. The ACA is working. If you
continue to rant about "socialism" while the rest of the country moves
on to other issues, you're only guaranteeing that there won't be
another Republican in the White House for at least another generation.
ACA works well for my family. Grown kids now have affordable insurance of their
own they couldn't get before, and it was far easier to get it. My own
coverage is unchanged. Things look good from here.
It's law. Yes. It's a law that was grossly misrepresented and whose
end results has proven to be much more expensive and quite different than what
we were led to believe.There are other ways to help those without insurance.How
can its harmful effect on the economy and therefore the poor be so blatantly
ignored? Polls show most people do not like Obamacare, and do not trust Pres.
Obama anymore. Even with its mandates and its bureaucratic red tape, fascism has
now been passively accepted by a large segment of the population,
Insurance companies were dropping and denying people coverage pre ACA--where was
the Republican outrage then? How much of the current change in policies
is due directly to ACA and how much is due to routine insurance companies trying
to push people into more profitable plans? I understood
Obama's statement about keeping your plan meant people who were covered by
employers and/or who didn't have junk/plans. "In his book
The Audacity of Hope , published in October 2006 when he was a U.S. senator,
Obama described single-payer as the hope of the left, while those on the right
wanted a market-based approach. "It's time we broke this impasse by
acknowledging a few simple truths," Obama wrote, suggesting a system much
like the one he supports today.At his town halls as president, he
routinely answers questions about single-payer by saying he would favor it if he
were starting a system "from scratch." But he consistently adds
that's not the goal of the current reform."(Politifact)
"It has been through deceit and trickery that the new health care law
(Obamacare) was implemented."That's what politicians do...
they promise stuff to get elected then they do their own thing.
pragmatistferlife said:"Oh my word give it a break. It's
the law, it's under way, and your ideological rants about socialism and
communism are just....I'll get bounced for saying it."Hmmm,
if this law is "under way" as you say, how come Obama has delayed the
"employer mandate" provision in Obamacare until just after the 2014
mid-terms? Let me help you: the amount of people who will lose their insurance
through their employer in order to comply with Obamacare is going to be
staggering. Obama and the Dems know if they were to let the employer mandate
get "under way" as you suggest, they would take unimaginable loses in
the mid-term elections.It's amazing that Obama can lie to your
face, and you willingly support his destruction of our healthcare system. And
we thought the individual mandate was bad? Just wait until 2014. Funny you
Leftists never address the delay in the employer mandate.
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