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BYU men's basketball: UNLV's Jamal Aytes to transfer to BYU

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  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    Ducky,

    According to you, one of the worst programs in NCAA men's Basketball kicked BYU sideways to Sunday. And Yes, Utah fans are getting fooled. Utah currently is much better than any Utah fan could have asked for this year. By the way, ask Dixie fans how well Jamal played ( or did he play )in UNLV's loss to Dixie. Quack! LOL

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 14, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    @crow

    It's hard to put much stock in comments that you have written because many are factually incorrect... You come on to BYU threads ,stir up the Cougar fan base with inaccurate statements and then leave... That's the actions of a Poster who is commonly referred to as a "Troll"...

    Here's a helpful hint for you, do your homework before you represent something as fact... Here are some examples of real facts...

    "In football the utes have defeated the Cougars four years in a row"... (That is a true statement)... Or,

    "In basketball the Cougars have owned the utes pretty much for the past 7+ years beating the Utes 11 out of the past 12 times they have played" (That's a "verifiable fact")... Or

    "In Basketball, according to Rivals, the Cougars have recruited higher rated talent than the utes the past few years"... (Again, a true statement that can be verified...).

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    So let's see, the "fans" of one of the worst programs in NCAA mens basketball, one so bad that they've had to play the worst schedule in all of basketball just to get some wins and try to fool their "fans" (mission accomplished by the way, they all appear to be fooled) that they are good, are using the vast reservoirs of knowledge they've acquired by watching their school play some of the ugliest and most embarrassing basketball ever played, to tell BYU fans that a kid that is 9 games into his freshman year can't possibly be any good.

    LOL!

  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    Christoper B, do you realize what you say sometimes? If BYU is such a pathetic team why have they beaten your team what is it now 8 straight? and the last 10 of 11 something like that? Seems to me that Duke, and many other top programs have guys on their teams this year who transfered from other teams, so Duke is not a big time program now? In many of the transfers this past year, most made an upgrade in teams. You really should quite while your ahead, or maybe while your behind. And I see you on BYU articles more than most avid Cougar fans, so what does that say about you? My read is that it's like the guy who likes the beautiful girl but she doesn't want anything to do with him, so he acts like he hates her, but yet he can't stop thinking or talking about her. Too bad for you that the Cougs will be really good for years to come:).

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    I take this more as a sign that Rice is on his way out at UNLV. This kid wanted to play for Rice or Rose and he won't be able to play for Rice next year.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 14, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    UNLV is a good program. Are they a better program than BYU right now? And have they been a better program over the last decade?

    If you really think they are, you're in denial. UNLV and BYU have both enjoyed about the same kind of success over the last few years; and, right now, BYU is absolutely the better program. UNLV is struggling. There are even some calls starting up in Vegas for Rice to be fired. They are a 3-4 program with 3 home losses right now, all of which were to unranked teams.

    Meanwhile, BYU is 8-3 with all three losses coming against ranked teams; and only one of those was at home. Now, some would say that BYU has played weaker competition. Um, no. BYU's SOS is at 5 right now. UNLV's is at 20. Now, granted, UNLV did play #2 Arizona on the road. However, that's the only ranked team they've played.

    Aytes isn't transferring to weaker program to get playing time. He's transferring to a comparable program that just happens to not have much depth at his position. It's a lateral move with more playing time potential.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 14, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Crow

    How does it feel to be owned by a team that isn't in a "real" conference?

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Good for Jamal and BYU. Now he can compete for playing time and get a respected education.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    He could not compete in a real conference so he is transferring to the wcc maybe he will get playing time at byu

  • Maverick West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    Yeah!!! We're now Championship contenders! BYU is the best that ever was and ever will be!

    Go Cougs!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 14, 2013 1:01 a.m.

    I can't believe what I am reading with some of these posts from so called Coug Fans...

    Rose is one of the 10 best college coaches in America... He's been here as head coach 8 years... 6 tourney appearances and 2 NIT appearances... He has the best winning percentage of any coach in BYU history and among the best in the country and he has done it with a gaggle of 3 stars and RMs.

    Why would anyone question the Coach's judgment on this kid... UNLV has a solid resume and they went after him... He is a 6'6" low and high post player (a bit under-sized but certainly capable at that height)... Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman were at about that height and both had hall of fame type NBA careers...

    Shoot, just look at BYU a few years ago... Jeff Chatman (1984-1988) and Keena Young (2004-2007)... Both were two time all conference post players and both were (you guessed it) 6'6" tall... My only regret about the whole thing is that Aytes didn't accept our scholarship offer last year so that this year he would be taking some minutes and foul pressure off of Austin and Mica...

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Dec. 13, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    Jamal is a small power forward with a 3 star ranking (rivals). BYU can use a few more power forwards, but he might have to work very hard to get more playing time at BYU than UNLV. Good luck to him!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 13, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    flatlander

    Refusing to release a player simply means the player has to sit out a year before he can play for his new school. The truth is, there's no such thing as a four-year scholarship. Scholarships are awarded year to year, so a coach hold only hold a player for a year.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Dec. 13, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    Transferring is not that simple. Under NCAA rules a coach can refuse to release a player. Without the release the player cannot get a scholarship at the new school. Sometimes a coach will restrict a player from teams within their own conference. Happened at Wisconsin last year. That said this usually involves starters. If a coach doesn't think a kid will pan out he encourages him to transfer and even helps to open up a roster spot. This kid is no different that Heaps, highly recruited, things didn't pan out his way so he left. Still had a miserable career.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    @phantomblade - just like Carlino from ucla. Sit out the rest of the year and start at mid December. If I read it right, he can practice with the team now, right? Which will help in many ways.

    Welcome aboard Jamal.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    "Additionally, according to sources in Las Vegas, it is suspicious that 48 hours after his seventh game in a 30 plus game season, a player would have all details worked out and assurances in place to transfer to another university?"

    You obviously don't have a clue about transfer rules, do you?

    The ONLY NCAA rule for transferring is that the player, barring a waiver, must sit out a year before he can play. There's absolutely no rule that bars a player from discussing a potential transfer to another school during the season.

    Jamal Aytes was already verbally committed to BYU, before changing his mind at the last minute to sign with UNLV. Aytes and BYU were already very familiar with each other, so all it would have taken for Jamal to transfer would have been a simple call to Coach Rose to see if Rose was still interested and if he still had a spot available for Jamal.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    WEll, it seems that transfers are really the way a lot of players are moving around these days. Every program seems to have a couple of them. I dont know if this is a good pick up or not. Lets just hope so. It doesnt sound good to pick up UNLV's backup players. It basically lets you know how BYU compares to UNLV these days.

    As for the Utah game, I dont know why people think that BYU will easily win this game. Dont you remember last years game with far less talent? With BYU's shooting woes's I actually think Utah could easily win this game.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    Good idea. If he isn't getting playing time at a big time program, transfer.

    I would do the same.

  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    For those of you that are concerned that this is not a good pick up, I think it is a good pick up, UNLV has a lot of front court players, so this kids didn't get a lot of playing time, the Cougars on the other hand is guard heavy, so a power forward is good, remember the biggest concern next season will be the front court players, so adding another strong body that can rebound and play defense and has pretty good offensive skills as well will help BYU. We could have used that body against Iowa ST. this year when Mika went out, we didn't have anyone strong enough down there when he went down, you can't tell me this kid couldn't have helped. I like it, because we need the front court players next year.

  • Hank Jr Draper, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 7:20 p.m.

    The Cougs are just getting better and better.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 13, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    I don't know much about Jamal, but his high school ranking indicates he should be very good. 6'6" is a little small to play PF, but Collinsworth is making an impact at the 4 and he's the same height.

    I remember the years when get one or two 3 star athletes was a good year. Now, the majority of recruits are 3 or 4 stars. And some Utah fans said we would never get anyone when we went to the WCC. The quality of the program is more important than the quality of the conference.

    For those worried about BYU unethically recruiting him from UNLV, you can be assured with Rose and Rice that nothing was underhanded. Rose has too much respect for Rice to even consider doing something like that.

    Welcome aboard Jamal. I look forward to watching you play next year.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Dec. 13, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    WOW 7 in a row if the utes lose tomorrow it will be 5 years since Utah has won. How many seniors, juniors, sophomores, freshman, and how many ex players have never tasted victory against BYU. Is there any ex coaches?

  • Vegas POV Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 13, 2013 6:13 p.m.

    To the honorable alumna and fans of Brigham Young University. I believe that I must disagree with your assessment of this transfer student. According to the statistics provided by this fine newspaper, the young man, outside of the Santa Barbara game, averaged 0.4 points per game in 9 minutes of playing time and ultimately his coach chose not to play him in 3 games. He would become a role player, should his work ethic be demonstrated positively. I fail to see how this player going to make a marked difference at BYU.

    Additionally, according to sources in Las Vegas, it is suspicious that 48 hours after his seventh game in a 30 plus game season, a player would have all details worked out and assurances in place to transfer to another university? I hope and trust that my Alma Mater would prove itself above such suspicions of not condoning or allowing recruiting or transfer discussions with a player who is contractually committed to another school.

    Is this sour grapes from Vegas POV? No. I just expect more from one of my Alma Maters than I do from the 18 year old player on UNLV's team. And for clarification, UNLV is not my other Alma Mater.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    If playing time was the issue...

    Where is a 6'6" guy going to find playing time?

    The COUGARS are loaded with guys, at that size, sporting great resumes.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    This is great news!

    Dave Rice is an excellent coach, and UNLV's tradition attracts a lot of talent. Jamal just wasn't getting enough playing time (9.3 mpg), and everybody knew it was a waste for him to be picking up slivers.

    Rice talks to Rose, and a win-win-win for both teams and Jamal is arranged.

    Love to see this!

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 13, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    Glad to see some great players coming BUT players are only players if they can not play as a Team. BYU's challenge is not the players but playing as a team. If they can always play as a team then watch out. They have the horse power to do some great things.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Dec. 13, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    This is wonderful news. Can he shoot free throws? If he can, that's great news. If he cannot, we have enough of those guys already. We need what it takes to win the big ones. Go Cougars!

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 13, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    Welcome aboard.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Dec. 13, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    Re: Funny...
    Lets not give BYU fans a bad name by bashing. I would love to see BYU win every time they play Utah but a rivalry is much better when it goes back and forth a bit. Egging the Utah fans on isn't cool and gives us a bad name. I have LOTS of friends who are SUPER people and Utah fans. This is not life and death. It's a game. So let's chill a bit and keep it respectful!

    That said, this is exciting to see BYU getting great recruits. The future is bright indeed. Now we need to cash in and start beating ranked opponents. We are 0-3 this year so far. Beating up on the easy teams is fun but not good if we don't learn and then start winning the big ones. I'm hopeful we are getting battle tough for the upcoming WCC games and hopefully the NCAAs.

    Go BYU. And good luck to Utah too. I hope it's a great game with BYU winning!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 13, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    I don't know if the Cougs will be a regular in the round of 16 with the recruits that they are picking up, but they sure will have the talent to play with the Elites... The talent of the players together with probably one of the top 10 coaches in College Basketball it is hard to see how the Cougars will not be a factor in future NCAA Tourneys... If ever we are to break into the Final Four it would seem most likely to happen sometime within the next 5 years.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    This is great news for coug fans and terrible news for utah fans. 7 in a row?? i wonder how it feels to loose that many games to your rival... I thought 4 was bad but 7 soon to be 8. That can't be possible because utah is a pac 12 team? they are obviously better than byu and any other team in the wcc... yet byu has a chance to beat more pac 12 teams this year than utah does!
    Go Cougs

  • SoCalTrueBlue2 San Diego, CA
    Dec. 13, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    The future gets even brighter for BYU basketball. The most difficult challenge facing coaches in coming years will be distributing playing time among the talented players.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Dec. 13, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    That is a great signing for BYU.
    For those keeping stats are stars. In 2013 and 2014 BYU will have signed 4-4 star recruits and 5-3 star recruits. Best recruiting I can remember. Good luck Cougs.