Ducky, According to you, one of the worst programs in NCAA
men's Basketball kicked BYU sideways to Sunday. And Yes, Utah fans are
getting fooled. Utah currently is much better than any Utah fan could have asked
for this year. By the way, ask Dixie fans how well Jamal played ( or did he play
)in UNLV's loss to Dixie. Quack! LOL
@crowIt's hard to put much stock in comments that you have
written because many are factually incorrect... You come on to BYU threads ,stir
up the Cougar fan base with inaccurate statements and then leave... That's
the actions of a Poster who is commonly referred to as a "Troll"... Here's a helpful hint for you, do your homework before you
represent something as fact... Here are some examples of real facts... "In football the utes have defeated the Cougars four years in a
row"... (That is a true statement)... Or,"In basketball the
Cougars have owned the utes pretty much for the past 7+ years beating the Utes
11 out of the past 12 times they have played" (That's a "verifiable
fact")... Or"In Basketball, according to Rivals, the Cougars
have recruited higher rated talent than the utes the past few years"...
(Again, a true statement that can be verified...).
So let's see, the "fans" of one of the worst programs in NCAA mens
basketball, one so bad that they've had to play the worst schedule in all
of basketball just to get some wins and try to fool their "fans"
(mission accomplished by the way, they all appear to be fooled) that they are
good, are using the vast reservoirs of knowledge they've acquired by
watching their school play some of the ugliest and most embarrassing basketball
ever played, to tell BYU fans that a kid that is 9 games into his freshman year
can't possibly be any good.LOL!
Christoper B, do you realize what you say sometimes? If BYU is such a pathetic
team why have they beaten your team what is it now 8 straight? and the last 10
of 11 something like that? Seems to me that Duke, and many other top programs
have guys on their teams this year who transfered from other teams, so Duke is
not a big time program now? In many of the transfers this past year, most made
an upgrade in teams. You really should quite while your ahead, or maybe while
your behind. And I see you on BYU articles more than most avid Cougar fans, so
what does that say about you? My read is that it's like the guy who likes
the beautiful girl but she doesn't want anything to do with him, so he acts
like he hates her, but yet he can't stop thinking or talking about her. Too
bad for you that the Cougs will be really good for years to come:).
I take this more as a sign that Rice is on his way out at UNLV. This kid wanted
to play for Rice or Rose and he won't be able to play for Rice next year.
UNLV is a good program. Are they a better program than BYU right now? And have
they been a better program over the last decade?If you really think
they are, you're in denial. UNLV and BYU have both enjoyed about the same
kind of success over the last few years; and, right now, BYU is absolutely the
better program. UNLV is struggling. There are even some calls starting up in
Vegas for Rice to be fired. They are a 3-4 program with 3 home losses right
now, all of which were to unranked teams.Meanwhile, BYU is 8-3 with
all three losses coming against ranked teams; and only one of those was at home.
Now, some would say that BYU has played weaker competition. Um, no.
BYU's SOS is at 5 right now. UNLV's is at 20. Now, granted, UNLV did
play #2 Arizona on the road. However, that's the only ranked team
they've played.Aytes isn't transferring to weaker program
to get playing time. He's transferring to a comparable program that just
happens to not have much depth at his position. It's a lateral move with
more playing time potential.
CrowHow does it feel to be owned by a team that isn't in a
Good for Jamal and BYU. Now he can compete for playing time and get a respected
He could not compete in a real conference so he is transferring to the wcc maybe
he will get playing time at byu
Yeah!!! We're now Championship contenders! BYU is the best that ever was
and ever will be!Go Cougs!
I can't believe what I am reading with some of these posts from so called
Coug Fans...Rose is one of the 10 best college coaches in America...
He's been here as head coach 8 years... 6 tourney appearances and 2 NIT
appearances... He has the best winning percentage of any coach in BYU history
and among the best in the country and he has done it with a gaggle of 3 stars
and RMs.Why would anyone question the Coach's judgment on this
kid... UNLV has a solid resume and they went after him... He is a 6'6"
low and high post player (a bit under-sized but certainly capable at that
height)... Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman were at about that height and both
had hall of fame type NBA careers...Shoot, just look at BYU a few
years ago... Jeff Chatman (1984-1988) and Keena Young (2004-2007)... Both were
two time all conference post players and both were (you guessed it)
6'6" tall... My only regret about the whole thing is that Aytes
didn't accept our scholarship offer last year so that this year he would be
taking some minutes and foul pressure off of Austin and Mica...
Jamal is a small power forward with a 3 star ranking (rivals). BYU can use a few
more power forwards, but he might have to work very hard to get more playing
time at BYU than UNLV. Good luck to him!
flatlanderRefusing to release a player simply means the player has
to sit out a year before he can play for his new school. The truth is,
there's no such thing as a four-year scholarship. Scholarships are awarded
year to year, so a coach hold only hold a player for a year.
Transferring is not that simple. Under NCAA rules a coach can refuse to release
a player. Without the release the player cannot get a scholarship at the new
school. Sometimes a coach will restrict a player from teams within their own
conference. Happened at Wisconsin last year. That said this usually involves
starters. If a coach doesn't think a kid will pan out he encourages him to
transfer and even helps to open up a roster spot. This kid is no different that
Heaps, highly recruited, things didn't pan out his way so he left. Still
had a miserable career.
@phantomblade - just like Carlino from ucla. Sit out the rest of the year and
start at mid December. If I read it right, he can practice with the team now,
right? Which will help in many ways.Welcome aboard Jamal.
"Additionally, according to sources in Las Vegas, it is suspicious that 48
hours after his seventh game in a 30 plus game season, a player would have all
details worked out and assurances in place to transfer to another
university?"You obviously don't have a clue about transfer
rules, do you?The ONLY NCAA rule for transferring is that the
player, barring a waiver, must sit out a year before he can play. There's
absolutely no rule that bars a player from discussing a potential transfer to
another school during the season.Jamal Aytes was already verbally
committed to BYU, before changing his mind at the last minute to sign with UNLV.
Aytes and BYU were already very familiar with each other, so all it would have
taken for Jamal to transfer would have been a simple call to Coach Rose to see
if Rose was still interested and if he still had a spot available for Jamal.
WEll, it seems that transfers are really the way a lot of players are moving
around these days. Every program seems to have a couple of them. I dont know if
this is a good pick up or not. Lets just hope so. It doesnt sound good to pick
up UNLV's backup players. It basically lets you know how BYU compares to
UNLV these days. As for the Utah game, I dont know why people think
that BYU will easily win this game. Dont you remember last years game with far
less talent? With BYU's shooting woes's I actually think Utah could
easily win this game.
Good idea. If he isn't getting playing time at a big time program,
transfer. I would do the same.
For those of you that are concerned that this is not a good pick up, I think it
is a good pick up, UNLV has a lot of front court players, so this kids
didn't get a lot of playing time, the Cougars on the other hand is guard
heavy, so a power forward is good, remember the biggest concern next season will
be the front court players, so adding another strong body that can rebound and
play defense and has pretty good offensive skills as well will help BYU. We
could have used that body against Iowa ST. this year when Mika went out, we
didn't have anyone strong enough down there when he went down, you
can't tell me this kid couldn't have helped. I like it, because we
need the front court players next year.
The Cougs are just getting better and better.
I don't know much about Jamal, but his high school ranking indicates he
should be very good. 6'6" is a little small to play PF, but
Collinsworth is making an impact at the 4 and he's the same height. I remember the years when get one or two 3 star athletes was a good
year. Now, the majority of recruits are 3 or 4 stars. And some Utah fans said
we would never get anyone when we went to the WCC. The quality of the program
is more important than the quality of the conference.For those
worried about BYU unethically recruiting him from UNLV, you can be assured with
Rose and Rice that nothing was underhanded. Rose has too much respect for Rice
to even consider doing something like that.Welcome aboard Jamal. I
look forward to watching you play next year.
WOW 7 in a row if the utes lose tomorrow it will be 5 years since Utah has won.
How many seniors, juniors, sophomores, freshman, and how many ex players have
never tasted victory against BYU. Is there any ex coaches?
To the honorable alumna and fans of Brigham Young University. I believe that I
must disagree with your assessment of this transfer student. According to the
statistics provided by this fine newspaper, the young man, outside of the Santa
Barbara game, averaged 0.4 points per game in 9 minutes of playing time and
ultimately his coach chose not to play him in 3 games. He would become a role
player, should his work ethic be demonstrated positively. I fail to see how
this player going to make a marked difference at BYU. Additionally,
according to sources in Las Vegas, it is suspicious that 48 hours after his
seventh game in a 30 plus game season, a player would have all details worked
out and assurances in place to transfer to another university? I hope and trust
that my Alma Mater would prove itself above such suspicions of not condoning or
allowing recruiting or transfer discussions with a player who is contractually
committed to another school.Is this sour grapes from Vegas POV? No.
I just expect more from one of my Alma Maters than I do from the 18 year old
player on UNLV's team. And for clarification, UNLV is not my other Alma
If playing time was the issue...Where is a 6'6" guy going
to find playing time?The COUGARS are loaded with guys, at that size,
sporting great resumes.
This is great news!Dave Rice is an excellent coach, and UNLV's
tradition attracts a lot of talent. Jamal just wasn't getting enough
playing time (9.3 mpg), and everybody knew it was a waste for him to be picking
up slivers.Rice talks to Rose, and a win-win-win for both teams and
Jamal is arranged.Love to see this!
Glad to see some great players coming BUT players are only players if they can
not play as a Team. BYU's challenge is not the players but playing as a
team. If they can always play as a team then watch out. They have the horse
power to do some great things.
This is wonderful news. Can he shoot free throws? If he can, that's great
news. If he cannot, we have enough of those guys already. We need what it
takes to win the big ones. Go Cougars!
Re: Funny...Lets not give BYU fans a bad name by bashing. I would love to
see BYU win every time they play Utah but a rivalry is much better when it goes
back and forth a bit. Egging the Utah fans on isn't cool and gives us a bad
name. I have LOTS of friends who are SUPER people and Utah fans. This is not
life and death. It's a game. So let's chill a bit and keep it
respectful!That said, this is exciting to see BYU getting great
recruits. The future is bright indeed. Now we need to cash in and start beating
ranked opponents. We are 0-3 this year so far. Beating up on the easy teams is
fun but not good if we don't learn and then start winning the big ones.
I'm hopeful we are getting battle tough for the upcoming WCC games and
hopefully the NCAAs. Go BYU. And good luck to Utah too. I hope
it's a great game with BYU winning!
I don't know if the Cougs will be a regular in the round of 16 with the
recruits that they are picking up, but they sure will have the talent to play
with the Elites... The talent of the players together with probably one of the
top 10 coaches in College Basketball it is hard to see how the Cougars will not
be a factor in future NCAA Tourneys... If ever we are to break into the Final
Four it would seem most likely to happen sometime within the next 5 years.
This is great news for coug fans and terrible news for utah fans. 7 in a row??
i wonder how it feels to loose that many games to your rival... I thought 4 was
bad but 7 soon to be 8. That can't be possible because utah is a pac 12
team? they are obviously better than byu and any other team in the wcc... yet
byu has a chance to beat more pac 12 teams this year than utah does!Go
The future gets even brighter for BYU basketball. The most difficult challenge
facing coaches in coming years will be distributing playing time among the
That is a great signing for BYU.For those keeping stats are stars. In 2013
and 2014 BYU will have signed 4-4 star recruits and 5-3 star recruits. Best
recruiting I can remember. Good luck Cougs.