Posting after the ute win--all I have to say is, Chris B? You owned this thread.
BYU fans should be giving you the "we're not worthy" salute. The
ute fans were even giving it the "just like football" chant. You win
buddy. You are a great fan and I would feel lucky to be in slc tonight hoisting
a tall one to a great win and to your prognosticating talent. Congrats Utes. In
football and basketball, your play said all that needs to be said. And a big
shout out to the lady Utes too!
I think we may have reached a new/low level....BYU fans pre-whining
about officiating...I will bet the zebras make less errors than the
teams. This is amazing...pre-paranoia...before the game Ida predicts the loss
is be causes by bad calls.
“Chris BSalt Lake City, UTMind games, you must be joint
right?If byu wins by 17 I won't post on byu articles for a
year!Utah 77 ByU 69”90% of Cougar Nation is
now rooting for a victory by BYU of 17 points or more. Hopefully it won’t
be one of those situations where BYU has the ball with a 14 point lead and 20
seconds left and they just run out the clock. Come on Cougars we are all
pulling for that last second 3-point shot. This could be a monumental
victory. A year of silence…sweet.GOOOOOOOOOOO
utah will try to slow it down and ugly it up because they have no chance if they
try to run with BYU. We'll see if it works.
A few classy comments from the Y fans are nice to see. This should
be a fun game: two up-tempo teams with no intention of trying to slow things
Utah will score 92 points? Sure and if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump
their bottoms when they hop.
TRUTHSalt Lake City, UTUtes vrs Cougs...... Remembering the 47
pts Jimmer layed on the Utes on their home floor........in other words known as
the DAYS of 47'.!!!!--------------Or the days when
Jimmer lit up a high school team.This isn't that team.Utah 92BYU 85Go RUNNIN UTES!
This game is a bit of a tough call. Utah appears to be improved but by how much
it is hard to gauge because of who they have been playing. BYU also appears to
be improved but they have been inconsistent against good teams down the stretch.
If both Haws and Carlino are hitting their shots, BYU shold win going away. If
they are forcing bad shots, the grinch may be showing up early this year.
Either way, we should know how good our respective teams are by the end of the
Who better than BYU to empathise with seniors who never beat their rival?
I predict the team that scores the most will win the game.
The amount of "homerism" in this thread by BYU fans is amazing. The
spread is a whole 1.5 points! It should be a great game. It is nice to see BYU
fans already blaming the officials though.
If the Utes can hit their shots consistently they may have a chance. I think
the Cougar guard line is much better this year. Yes the Utes are improved but
so are the Cougars. In fact the Cougars are much better this year. Sure we
lost Brandon Davies but Eric Meca is a true center that likes to play down low.
The Cougars are a quicker team. If the Utes can slow it down like they did last
year they may be able to stay in it. I like the Cougars in this one 85-70
I read somewhere that the average margin of victory has been nearly double at
the Huntsman Center for BYU over the last few years than it has been at the
Marriott Center. Also wonder what the average rating of players is for the Utah
and BYU starters is because as per CB, that tells the whole story. How many 4
star and 3 star players are playing on each team and how many former "Mr.
Basketball" winners are on each team. There should be some relevance.
This game is not an automatic win by BYU. Last year, in Provo, the Utes did very
well and now the game is at Utah. The Utes are probably better this year than
they were last year, but it is a little difficult to tell yet. BYU is actually
playing differently this year so it will be interesting to see how the two teams
match up.The Ute advantage is playing at Utah and more experienced
players than last year. The BYU advantage is they have more experience so far
this year against better teams.Should be a fun game to watch!
If the refs go out of their way to foul out our bigs, Utah wins. If the game is
called fairly, BYU wins, but they've got to make their foul shots. I know
it sounds like pregame excuses but seriously, PAC 12 officiating really is
awfully biased. I' m not too keen on WCC officials, either, btw.
The U is better than Stanford since they won in football. Doesn't matter
what the rest of the games showed. As for hoops, I think a close game will be
on display tomorrow night. Unfortunately, I think the Y loses a close one due
to poor free throw shooting.
@chrisbBYU should not have any trouble with Utah, but the truth is,
win or lose BYU would still be considered to have the better team at this point
in the season by members of the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee.
Reasons???1) BYU has played a much tougher schedule than the utes
with more marquee wins and close losses to teams with high RPIs;2)One game does not a season make (unless of course you are a ute's fan
and the blind hog happens to find an acorn and you win);3) The game
is played on the ute's home court (like every other game they have played
this year with the exception of the one they lost to Boise State);4)
The only Marquee win that the ute's would really have this year would be
against BYU (though Fresno State is a top 100 RPI win, that will change in the
next few days);5) Grand Canyon University is the only other team the
utes have played that even have a winning record besides BYU, Boise State and
Fresno State (and the last two are only one game above .500 right now).Also, though not a consideration... pac12 officiating stinks... my opinion.
@swoopre: "If you're so sure, why don't you promise
not to comment on any BYU articles until 12/14/13 when the Utes lose?"You obviously meant "until 12/14/14", but it doesn't matter
because CB is all talk, but no walk, he'll never accept the challenge.
My bad... actually the winning percentage of teams that Utah has beaten is not
quite 31% (22-49)... Sorry.
Mark Spitz, a great athlete who dominated the sport of swimming in the
1970's once said... "Past performance is the best indicator of future
results"... How true it is...BYU is 7-0 since 2009 and 1-12
since the season of 2005-2006... Ouch... Outside of the utes OT win in the HC in
2009 Utah has not beaten the Cougs since the MWC Tourney was played in Denver...
lol. The freshman who play for the utes were still in Primary, they were still
playing little league baseball, in fact, they weren't even old enough to
join Boy Scouts and go on Overnighters... They were in the 5th grade...
That's a lot of Domination.BYU has still been with the same
coach during this time (one of the 10 best college basketball coacher in the
country today). I am trying to figure out how many coaches the utes have gone
through in that time period... let me see... There was Giacoletti, Boylen and
now Krystkowiac... only 3.BYU will win 83-69 but Utah will benefit
from garbage time after being over 20 down.
The season is a third over at this point and one can make the following factual
observations:BYU (8-3); RPI 23; SOS 6;Marquee wins: . Texas (8-1) RPI 26 SOS 66 (Only loss to BYU on neutral court).
. Stanford (6-2) RPI 63; SOS 84 (Only losses to BYU and Pitt... both at
home). . Utah State (5-2) RPI 64; SOS 82 (Only losses to BYU and
Pacific... both of the WCC).Losses: . Iowa State (7-0) RPI
16; SOS 95 (Ranked 17th in AP and 16th USA/ESPN). . Wichita State
(9-0) RPI 10; SOS 168(Ranked 12th AP and 8th USA). . U Mass (8-0) RPI
1; SOS 3 (Ranked 22nd AP and 20th USA).Total W-L of Teams Beaten:
33-30 (52% win ratio)RPI of Teams Played: Average RPI 116.7*****Utah (8-1) RPI 122; SOS 325.Marquee Wins:
. Fresno State (6-4) RPI 96; SOS 72 (played at the HC).Losses: . Boise State (8-1) RPI 40; SOS 137 (Lost to Kentucky).Total
W-L of Teams Beaten: 22-49 (32% win ratio).RPI of Teams Played:
Average RPI 218.5 (ouch).******Now I ask you, who should
@Chris B"1) The team with more points is the winning team" Utah"2) The team with fewer points is the losing team" Stanford"3) The winning team is BETTER than the losing team" Utah is better
than Stanford?I think U need to re-work your formula.
@motorbike - love your post!Krystkowiak hit the nail on the head.
The is the first rebuilding year for the Utes in long time. U are finally
building a good foundation. I'm hoping the rivalry game will get more
competitive than it's been in many years.Both the Utes and
Cougs are better than I thought they'd be this year. But let's be
real, the Cougs are clearly a notch or two above the Utes in BB.Could the Utes win? It's possible. Will the Utes win? It's not
likely.Both programs should continue to improve the next 4 or 5
years, but with the Cougs pipeline, it looks like the Cougs will continue to be
a notch or two ahead for many years.I just wish the game was on a
regular channel so I could watch it.
I sure hope "Good Matt" decides to show up for this game.And
about the refs, be honest Ute fans: it wasn't that long ago that you were
on the other side of the PAC ref syndicate. Watch this game with objectivity,
and we'll see if the fouls trend one way or not. If the PAC zebras end up
calling the game evenly, I will publicly apologize.
Some clarifications on my last post which I typed really fast and so I
wasn't clear on some things: The logical test that I mentioned is called
the transitive property, I was not pretending to be the one who came up with it.
I also agree that in the majority of games (probably 90% or so of games) the
better team for the season wins the game. But it does not always work that way.
If it did, then the transitive property would not result in a cycle or in absurd
conclusions (such as Idaho is better than Auburn because the winning team is
always the better team and Idaho beat a team who beat a team... who beat a team
who beat Auburn. Finally, obviously I enjoy winning, wish BYU had beat Utah in
Football this year, and am frustrated that Whittingham owns Bronco to the point
that he has beat him 4 straight times even though he wasn't necessarily
coaching the better team each of those seasons if you look at the entire season.
Finally, Go Cougars!
Here's the measuring stick for Utah. Obviously Utah is much more athletic
than they have been in the past. Rose is a good coach and the guys have been in
his system much longer than the Coach K has had his players together.It should be a good game.Go Utes.
Like all you cougar fans, I'd gladly take a loss by my Utes on Saturday if
Chris B would promise not to post on any Utah/BYU articles for a year.
Saw the Utah Boise State game in person. Utes game plan was to slow it dow.
BORING! I hope they decide to run with the bulls. If they do there may be
lotta red left on the floor,
The team with the most points is better for that game, not necessarily for the
season. If that were true, almost every team in College Football and College
Basketball would be able to say they are better than almost any other team
because if A>B and B>C, then A>C (this logical test could be carried
out further, for example if A>B and B>C and C>D, then A>D and so
forth). Here is a nice example from college football this year: When
using Chris B's absolute rules and the above logical test, 1 win Idaho is
better than 1 loss Auburn because Idaho beat Temple who beat Memphis who beat
Arkansas State who beat UL Monroe who beat Wake Forrest who beat Maryland who
beat West Virginia who beat Oklahoma State who beat Mississippi State who beat
Mississippi who beat LSU who beat Auburn. Obviously Idaho is not
actually better than Auburn. Thus, the idea that the team who scores more points
in a given game is absolutely and without doubt the better team has been proven
Gone fishin,You're right, that would be sad for Renan Lenz as
the only senior on this young team, if the Utes lose. However, I think
they'll win and it will be the start of great things to come for the
younger players who will continue to build up the program.
@ CBMerry ChristmasAnd perhaps under you tree this year will be an
upset victory over BYU (look at Vegas odds), perhaps there won't be.But for people like me who actually played the game at a high level and won
championships, I will stick to what I know about real basketball. Utah will have
to play a great game to beat BYU, the Utes are more athletic but so were
Stanford and Texas in fact Stanford's recruiting has been top tier in the
PAC.I would love to see a 1-3-1 zone from the cougars, I think it would
eliminate Wright's effectiveness and see if Loveridge could dominate the
baseline to lead the Utes to a win. Now lets hear your stories from
playing days so we can see you know something. And xbox does not count my
Won't even be as close as the score? You have the cougs beating the Utes by
30! Hey, I'm glad you have such confidence in your team. Let me
tell you how this will go though. Wright will give Carlino fits
because of his length, causing him to turn the ball over more than 5 times. Mica
will get in foul trouble trying to clean up Carlino's poor D and the cougs
will be introduced to athletic ute freshman Onwas and Ogbe.Utes by
5. Go Utes!
Chris B:Thank you for that lesson, but I think u need further study to
qualify as a teacher. There's a few textbooks you need to pick up about
sports. One is titled "Any team can beat any other team on any given
night". Another good read is "It's not just a game it's a
season". One of my favorites is "Learn to win the war: A treatise on how
focusing on victory in one battle can lead to defeat in the war"...I think
that one is under military sciences actually. And finally as a prerequisite to
telling everyone else how sports work, you will need to read "One game for
the season: The tragic tale of one wide-eyed dreamer's belief that his team
was superior to one that his team had beaten, and how this belief turned to
hallucinations that he was at the Rose Bowl cheering for his team, when in
reality he was lost on his couch watching Stanford". That last one is a long
title but I think the author wanted people to know exactly how fanaticism can
lead to delusions and psychosis (Psych area of the bookstore).
@CB"I guarantee Utah wins."Or what? You'll
stop posting lame predictions?If you're so sure, why don't
you promise not to comment on any BYU articles until 12/14/13 when the Utes
BeSmart,LOL on your hedging the loss already. The scoreboard will
tell us who the better team is. In case you get confused after the game
I'll be happy to tell you, if the scoreboard is confusing to understand.LOLUtes win. byu loses.Just like football, just
It will be disappointing for the Utah players to NEVER have beaten BYU during
their time on the hill. How sad.
Chris BRemember this: "If BYU wins by 17 I won't post on
BYU articles for a year!"Average score of the BYU-Utah game
during the Dave Rose era is an 8-point spread:BYU 72Utah 64Yet you want to more than double the point-spread to 17 points, AT HOME
no less?What's wrong; too chicken to go for the straight up
win?Since it's the season: I triple dog dare you
and your pseudonyms not to post on BYU articles for a full year when the Utes
Christy7 in a row; 11 of the last 12; 12-3 during the Dave Rose
era;BYU owns U in basketball!
I'd feel a lot better about the Utes' chances if I felt they had a
little more nasty in them. By that I simply mean toughness. This squad is more
athletically gifted than the past few years and they're fun to watch.
I'm just not too sure they have the same commitment to defense.Bottom
line, for Utah to win this game they'll need to have a hand up on every
outside shot, a body in front of slashers, and they'll need to do a good
job on the defensive boards ... second and third shots will be back-breakers. On
the offensive side of things I'd really like to see Utah get to the line
more that they have been (meaning more cutting to the basket), and then making a
high percentage of those free-throw attempts.All that said, I think this
ought to be fun and competitive game. My brain tells me BYU will likely pull out
a close win but I won't be at all surprised if the Utes get hot and pull
this one out.Go Utes!
@ CBWell since you classify me as a BYU fan I can stop donating to the U.
I cheer for the utes and I said the utes have a good shot.The team with
more points is the better team for a night. The Jazz beat Miami but didn't
win the title.When I was with a WAC program we beat several teams that
went to the NCAA tourney, we beat them on one night, but they had the better
season. (Look at Stanford and the Utes) Utah is clearly not better than the
Pac-12 champs.Still waiting for the cougar fight song you promised.Merry Christmas
BeSmart,Either way, I remind you to check out the rules of sports I
posted at 1:14.The team with more points is the BETTER team. You
byu fans get confused sometimes.
@ CBThat is a pretty bold prediction for BYU @ 69 points.Only once
this year have they been held that low, against one the best defensive teams in
the nation Wichita State.It will be a good game but probably in the 90s
holding byu to 69 with the new rules would be a great feat for Utah considering
2 ranked teams could not do it.
I can hear the chants now:"Just like football just like
football"byu fans and players are going to hear it from me loud
and clear come Saturday night. Show up in blue and I'll be there to
"greet" youGo Utes!
funnywittbyu by 15?LOL!Let's review for
byu fans how sports work:1) The team with more points is the winning
team2) The team with fewer points is the losing team3) The winning
team is BETTER than the losing teamClear?It's
really simple.I'll remind byu fans those simple rules again
after the gameUtes win.
This will be an interesting matchup. Both teams are better than they were a year
ago.I think either team can win this one, Utah I think will win if they
can get the BYU big men in foul trouble. BYU will win if they out rebound the
utes by 8-10.That is my opinion and it doesn't really matter.Merry Christmas.
This will be a fun game to watch. I'm looking forward to this rivalry being
competitive and both programs returning to former glories. These are two great
programs with lots of tradition and here's one BYU fan that is glad the
utes are getting better and more competitive...makes the game a lot funner and
worth looking forward to. Go Cougs!!BYU 82Utah 76
This should be a good game and I don't think BYU fans should get too cocky
about the win streak. The team doesn't need anyone tempting Karma. The
Utes are improved but it's hard to predict what to expect from them with
their OOC schedule this year. It's a smart strategy given their struggles
of the last few years but we just can't tell how far they've come yet.
This BYU team, I believe, is also an improvement from last year. We'll
need to play better interior defense and have a good shooting night while
staying out of foul trouble with the bigs. Go Coug's!!
Utah will win.I think the only question is which excuse byu fans
will use for the loss:1) Pac 12 refs2) the weather inside that
affected byu but not Utah3) byu GAVE the game awayI'm
going with the Pac 12 refs stillUtah 77byu 69I
guarantee Utah wins.Come back and tell me I am right
7 IN A ROW!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Thanks for the respectful comment, Moromon Ute. I wish both sides had more of
those. This should be a pretty good game, with slight edge to BYU because of
Utes vrs Cougs...... Remembering the 47 pts Jimmer layed on the Utes on their
home floor........in other words known as the DAYS of 47'.!!!!
Nice to see Cougar fans excited for their team. You'll need that positive
attitude to carry you through this one. The Runnin' Utes are living up to
their name this year with a team that is better than last year's team the
Cougars barely beat in Provo. I'm looking forward to a good game with
plenty of crowd support on our home court. I'll be there to cheer my Utes
on to victory. Go Utes!!
The cougs are going to destroy. Byu by 15. Go cougs
Hoping and planning on a Cougar win Sat so we can chant "This is our
house" in YOUR gym. 7 in row Christy, beats 4 in row or doesn't
basketball count unless you win one sometime. We can plan on your absense from
the comments for a few days after the yewts lose, or an I've always been
here for you boys" if they happen to win.