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Published: Thursday, Dec. 12 2013 5:35 p.m. MST

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A Scientist
Provo, UT

Rational people will hope this legislation fails.

michael.jensen369
Lethbridge, 00

The right to disagree is obviously no longer seen as a right by these people. Just something to be eradicated from the opposition. Because so many people who fear for their religious liberty are irrational when they see the persecution and bullying that supporters of the traditional family are subjected to. Just look at what happened to the Belgian Archbishop who had topless gay activists screaming at him and dousing him with water. Now that is a piece of fiction if there ever was one.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

And those same rational people (or are they really irrational?) will keep hoping that everyone must live according to the least common denominator in their daily lives and activities.

Prodicus
Provo, UT

Scientist, whether somebody shares your set of values or not has nothing to do with rationality.

People who are perfectly logical will still disagree on premises.

Real science makes no moral or political prescriptions. It is a descriptive endeavor.

Anyone who claims otherwise is abusing people's ignorance of science to try to browbeat people into falling in with their political position. This ultimately comes down to trying to turn science into a new pseudo-religious cult, just like the French Cult of Reason during the Reign of Terror.

There is no commonality between "this set of differential equations provides a model that fits the observed evidence" and "give up your moral opinions which differ from mine or face the threat of force to make you comply."

fatherof7
Phelan, CA

Rational people will hope this legislation passes.

dotGone
Puyallup, WA

And defenders of religious freedom will pray this legislation passes. Obama's "promise" is definitely not enough to protect our religious freedom. He hands out promises like free samples at Costco. When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's there was a lot of talk about life under communism. It sounded like the saddest place ever, with no religion, no holidays. It sounds familiar now, as strident voices in this country try to force their "freedom from religion" on the rest of us. If they succeed, where in the world will there be a country that has religious freedom? We have not forced our views on them, believing that they are free to worship or not. Neither is it just for opposing beliefs to be forced on us. Was this country not founded on freedom of religion, freedom to worship? All that work and sacrifice to have our way of life must not be in vain. Can we possibly lose it now? Nooooo!

Esquire
Springville, UT

A superficial review might make one think that the legislation is a good idea, but it is in fact something that would open a Pandora box. Could it be the basis for discrimination on a wider basis. For example, someone might have a religious basis to not want to serve Mormons. Or a child born outside marriage. Or a woman living with a man without marriage. Or a person who had served time for a criminal offense. Where does it stop. This bill is in fact anti religion and would result in a society that is truly at war with itself. It would make us no different than countries where Shiites and Sunnis fight incessantly. @A Scientist is correct.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

(Sarcasm/ Well, Sen. Lee seems to have taken a liberal turn and betrayed his conservative credentials by supporting human rights and freedom of conscience. I think that the Tea Party needs to raise a primary challenger against him the next election. / End of Sarcasm)

We should expect that if such a conservative politician is in favor of this that all the other senators who are supposedly to the left of Senator Lee will also support this. So we should get this passing by 100-0? I think that we'll suddenly discover that a lot of supposedly liberal senators are more right-wing than even the Tea Party.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

If this bill, which seems to be needed in light of what is going on in todays attack against anything or anyone who has personal or religious beliefs (for which this country was founded in the first place) FAILS. Then our country has failed.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

It is so sad that in a "free" country, people who support traditional marriage must be protected from its own government's persecution!

TA1
Alexandria, VA

This is another incredible waste of time on behalf of the proponents of "religious liberty". The lines between what Churches can and cannot do are very clear and have been for many years. I - for one - have no problem understanding them - I don't know why we need to go through this process for the nth time.

Larry Chandler
CEDAR CITY, UT

Religious institutions have the right to oppose gay marriage. Churches are not public accommodations and would not be forced to offer gay marriage ceremonies.

But do individuals have the right to bypass secular law? Can a person claim their religion allows them to deny service to gay people, Mormons, Blacks, or any other group?

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

This is much needed legislation in light of Christian cake makers and florist's being forced to
provide services against their conscience. The cake shop in Portland Oregon had to go out of business,the business in New Mexico lost on appeal. The gay and lesbian communisty wants their lifestyle codified into law which is literally bashing anyone who disagrees.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

I don't understand all these people on here who are saying their religious freedoms are under attack. What are you not being allowed to do??

Religious freedom does not mean you can force everyone else to live the way your God says to live.

This religious freedom battle is completely fabricated. As is the "War on Christmas". The religious right seems to think that if they don't control everything then they are under attack.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

For those who support this flawed legislation, please understand that this bill is not simply being introduced to protection actual religions; rather it exists to extend to protect any "person or group tax-exempt status".

I am about as liberal as they come but I wholly acknowledge a religion's right to "discriminate" within it's own sphere of influence. For example, the LDS Church will always have the exclusive say on who can/not enter the Temple. In fact, I would fight to defend that right. However, that same luxury must not be afforded non-profits that are simply run by or funded by a religion or hospitals/universities that are run by or funded by a religion. There is a huge difference between an actual religion (LDS) and an organization/institution that is run by that religion (LDS Hospital). Mr. Lee is trying to couch them under the same legal protections and this is unacceptable.

Hank Jr
Draper, UT

A 'promise" from Obama to protect our God given rights? I would be for passing that bill as soon as possible!

goodnight-goodluck
S.L.C., UT

Government sanctioned discrimination, is this a great country or what?

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Does anyone have a single example of a church being threatened with loss of charity status? Anyone?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@dotGone
"Was this country not founded on freedom of religion, freedom to worship?"

You can't have freedom of religion without freedom from religion.

DR73
USA, UT

@GZE "Does anyone have a single example of a church being threatened with loss of charity status? Anyone?"

Yes, Democrats in California are pushing for a law to strip any entity specifically aiming at the Boy Scouts of America that discriminates against gays, lesbians or transexuals. The threat to force anyone who cordially disagrees is very real and this legislation is in direct response to that.

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