@joe5I'm not even sure if I see a championship in my lifetime. It
would be a dream come true if they did but my continuing to be a fan
doesn't depend on it. I don't know how far the pieces we have can take
us but those pieces could change dramatically in the next couple of years as we
draft more players and sign some free agents. Things can change quickly. In 2004
preseason all the experts saiid the Jazz might be the worst team in NBA history.
That year we only won 26 games but it led to drafting Deron Williams in the
lottery and 2 years later we were in the western conference finals. So you never
know. I'm hoping for now the Jazz can make it back to the playoffs in a
year or 2, then win a round or 2 after that, and by then we will be more
appealing to better free agents to get us to the next level. As you can see,
I'm not expecting very much too soon, but hoping in the next few years we
can be a contender again.
Americanvet: The question is do you see championship in the pieces mentioned
above? Because I see a bunch of role players that might not even be enough to
get the Jazz home court advantage in the next three years.
@joe5 We know Favors has signed and will be around for a long time.
I'm not sure Hayward will be back next year. The Jazz won't pay him
$10m if he doesn't prove more that what we have seen so far. Maybe Parker
or Wiggins will take his place next year. It's possible even Rush might be
an answer if he steps up. Kanter may not command a large contract unless he
shows significant progress in the next couple of years. I think Burks will be a
target for the Jazz and has a bright future. Burke still has time to develop as
the point guard before a decision has to be made with him. This year the Jazz
have a chance to play these young guys big minutes to find out who will stay
around. If we kept all of last years veterans we wouldn't have had this
chance to see which of our young lottery picks can become great players, or fall
by the wayside as many lottery picks do. Now we have a chance to build around
the players that can make this a great team in years to come.
@nvfanslow down there...son...dont put Jimmer in the same air with
Larry Bird and Chris Mullin...those two are much deadly shooters than
Jimmer...im not knocking Jimmer down or anything...but...dont even compare
them...i agree that Jimmer needs a new team to finally show what he is capable
of...or not....cant make opinions if i havent seen him play enough in the
NBA...so i am all for it....but the reason no one is ecstatic enough to get
Americanvet: I'm fine with your support of the Jazz direction. But your
comment that winning is good for morale and confidence supports my position that
losing hurts. The glory years of the Jazz' past had a completely different
group of people leading the franchise. As people change, so does the
organization. I've never complained about the Jazz history, only their
future. Every losing team started with a first losing season.Let's view this differently by looking at the 2014 Jazz.Players under contract (~$27M)PGs: Burke, LucasWings: BurksBigs: Favors, Kanter, Evans, GobertThree draft picks that could
stick: #1-5, #20-25 (from GS), #31-35 (~$7M)Resign Hayward (RFA) at
7 figures (~$10M)Jazz fans expect to get a star FA which will take
another 7 figures (~$10M-plus)That makes 12 players at ~$55M or
more. That doesn't leave much to add 2-3 players.But here are
the real questions:- Does that roster say championship to you?- How
do you pay Kanter and Burks in 2015?- Do you pay the cap penalty or start
of-loading assets like OKC has done?
@joe5I'm not sure what statements I made that seem "ironic"
or inconsistent. I don't know if I have "lambasted" anyone but I
don't agree with your statements about the Jazz "creating a losing
culture". To me, a losing culture would be where the Jazz have been bad for
years. I have reminded you before that the Jazz have been one of the most
successful franchises in sports. In the last 30 years they have had only 2
losing seasons (2004-05, 2010-11). They made the playoffs 20 years in a row from
1983 to 2003 and since then made the playoffs 5 more times. This year management
strategically made the decision to shed the veterans and rebuild around our
young core players. Everyone knows we are taking a step back this year but if
you're going to do that this seems like a good year for it. So even if we
end up with the worst record in the league, which may be part of the long term
plan, I still won't agree with the "losing culture" theory. That
said, I firmly believe winning some games gives a boost to players confidence
like I stated. How is that ironic?
@gehelmkeWhat do you mean Ty dont you control the team... Somehow
people think that Ty has not been trying to get them to do that all year long,
my goodness when are people going to start holding these high paid players
accountable. Yes he controls the team but he cant control their mind and how
they play in the game. I mean he cant control the team shooting horrible, he
cant control the horrible FT percentage, he cant control the stupid turnovers he
can coach them not to but after that its the players job to execute.
Are Jazz fans the only ones in the NBA who can come up with reasons to be sad
that their team won? I understand us wishing for a loss to have a better
lottery pick, but other than that, how can we be so negative about our team
A good win that still leaves the Jazz in first place for the Jabari Parker
Denver to Portland"Congrats Jazz, you beat the 2nd worst team in
the West, but you're still the worst in the West and in the entire
NBA"Who's getting Jabari Parker in the Draft this year.
Winning the draft lottery will be better than going to the finals and losing.
I love the spark of life the Jazz have shown the last few games. Trey Burke
deserves a lot of credit since we are vastly improved at the PG with him in the
lineup. But the guy who has really made the big difference is not being
discussed at all and most Jazz fans want him gone at the end of the year.Marvin Williams has started six games this season, all in the last ten
games. The Jazz are 4-2 in those games. In the four games he missed during that
10-game stretch, the Jazz were 0-4, even with Trey Burke. All season long, the
Jazz have only won one game without MW in the starting lineup. In my mind, the
real difference maker in the Jazz recent resurgence is Williams.
Americanvet: "I still think winning a game helps keep spirits up and gives a
little boost of confidence."During the summer and well into the
season, I talked about the Jazz making a mistake by creating a losing culture.
Weren't you among those who lambasted me for that position? Seems ironic in
light of your comment above.
One more rung on the ladder of respectability. Slow and steady please. Brandon
Rush from Kansas played well. McLemore is also from Kansas and was from a small
school in St. Louis. I would hope that the Jazz could consider playing a game
in St. Louis. The Hawks have been long gone and I believe that a game would
draw. St. Louis University is starting to draw after being rebuilt by Rick
Majerus from Utah before he died.
@nvfan: Jimmer is not Chris Mullin or Larry Bird. But he might be Steve Kerr.
Who, by the way, did find a niche on a championship team. Let's hope
Jimmer can as well.
The positives, it was a win, and it was a win on the road. The negatives, it was
the Kings and yes, they were a little short handed. I still think winning a game
helps keep spirits up and gives a little boost of confidence. I don't see
this as a major step to winning a bunch of games and I don't want to win a
bunch of games. Just keep playing hard and developing as a team and then add
some more with next years draft and free agent signings. better things are
coming for the Jazz!
Take it easy everyone. The Jazz beat the Kings and everyone is acting like they
beat Portland, Miami, or Indiana.It shows how far the Jazz gave
fallen when there are words like "shock", "great win",
"impressive", in a win vs the Kings. Congrats Jazz, you beat the 2nd
worst team in the West, but you're still the worst in the West and in the
Only on a Deseret News comment board would readers be referring to missing
players the caliber of Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray as "short 3 studs." I
also hear Scott Pollard was still available to be signed by the Kings last night
so they could win the game. Put an asterik on this win Jazz fans.
This team has a destiny and where did last nights big win come from? Was it the
coaching, I doubt it. Maybe the guys have it figured out as a team. At any rate,
go for it now Jazz. You have it in you to set a high mark for yourselves this
season. I have been waiting to see this happen. Give us a Christmas Present with
some more wins like this one.
@Chris B13 points for Jimmer in 11 minutes, yeah coach sit me next 4
games please. Still say Jimmer will be traded before the deadline, and average
12 pts and 5 assists for a team later this year. And how's that coach bowl
chris? Oh and after Saturday 12 of 13 from the utes.....bank on it.
One more thing, Jimmer played only 5 minutes, was (2-3 FG) with 6 points until
late in the game he was given an additional 6 minutes. The game was lost for the
Kings way before he was given the additional playing time. Instead they played
the same guys they usually do. You remember, the guys that have given them a
record similar to the Jazz's. Great coaching...
If only Jimmer had played the Kings would have.....oh never mind.Congrats on beating the 5-win Kings' backups, Jazz. Next stop: NBA
I don't understand it, Jimmer plays 11 minutes (is 4-6 FG) and scores 13
points. McLemore on the other hand goes (1-8 FG), scores 4 points and plays 33
minutes. In addition, Jimmer ends up 3rd in scoring for the Kings against the
Jazz while playing only a third of the time the other guards played. This is
from a guy that gets little playing time and a ton of DP- coaches decisions. Why
the Jazz or another weak team can't give the guy a chance is beyond me. We
are in last place and the Kings are just about giving him away. I see a ton of
upside with very little risk. If it doesn't work out you don't sign
him for next season. I would just like to see some team give the guy a chance to
either sink or swim. Until that happens we will never know how good the guy can
be. What if Chris Mullin or even Larry Bird got the same type of treatment at
the beginning of their career? Two slow white guys with little athleticism but a
ton of smarts and a great shot. Sounds familiar...
Minus 3 studs really!?! Aaron Gray and Quincy Acy... Household names right? Rudy
Gay maybe, but Toronto is the team getting the praise for dumping him and his
contract. The Jazz simply caught fire and played a great, balanced game. It
shows what they're potential could be, but they're still going to
finish in the bottom 5. How about Alec Burks though, I love the way he's
Gehelmke.....Control a team? You have to be kidding. You may control cattle or
sheep but you take a group of 12 or so young men with different mind sets,
talents, and ideas and you guide and teach them but you don't control them.
These young men have been taught and have finally come together to use their
talent and desire to win together. Many of us have thought this team would come
together either this year or next and do great things. Thank heavens it may
just be this year!! I also do not believe the Kings having 3 less players made
that much difference. I believe in the Jazz!!
Jimmer brought good luck to the Jazz when he play's. We found what Jimmer
is good at. He helps the Jazz when when he plays more on the other team.
The Jazz did very well last night but face an extremely hard road swing, so
don't expect this type of performance to continue. They will get better,
but need more fire-power from good athletes in the draft. As far as the comments
about Jimmer, those who think he can compete as a starter in the NBA are
delusional at best. What I saw was a guy who could shoot an open jump shot with
no defensive skills and no speed. He is strictly a role player in the NBA and it
is obvious why the Kings did not exercise his fourth year option. The best that
can happen for Jimmer is for some team that he can come off the bench for a few
quick three's. Otherwise, he has little value.
Jazz scored 122..And the fellow who said "Its the Jazz" I don't
think you really have braggin rights with you one more win. Watch the trades fly
next week. Still think Jimmer would have a place on the Jazz IMHO..
"scrappy do" has it right....They were short 3 studs....Factor in the
Jazz shooting about a block over their heads, and you have it figured correctly,
and Corbin's quote is:“We’re sharing the ball,” an
ecstatic Corbin said. “We’re counting on each other and making the
right basketball play, making the next pass, driving to the basket, being able
to break the defense down and kicking it to the weak side. We shot it well
tonight, so that’s what we’re going to need.”What an
onslaught of cliches! Tell us, Ty, if that's why they won, why isn't
this done every game? Don't you control the team?
the Kings, less 3 studs make the Jazz look like superstars... wow, I think we
are on our way to the top now, boys
I'm glad to see that Jimmer got some playing time, even if it was in a
lop-sided loss.Here's hoping Fredette ends up on a team that
can actually figure out how to best use him. Nobody deserves to be stuck in the
"purgatory" known as the Sacramento Kings.And yes, believe
it or not, I'm a Ute fan. We don't all hate Jimmer, but I am glad
he's no longer around to thump my Utes.
Who were those guys and what did they do with the previous Jazz team? :o)Amazing game by the Jazz, I couldn't believe it was the same team
we've seen over the past couple of months. I thought I was watching a
re-run of the shellacking the Trailblazers gave the Jazz in Portland last
Friday. Only it was Jazz doing the thumping this time.
@Chris Btimes have changed...Jimmer no longer has the value of a
first round pick...but he still has a bit of a value...i guess...
Everyone contributed and the outside shooting was red hot. It was good to see
Rush get some shots and nail three 3-pointers. I hope he gets more minutes so we
can see what we have there. We still need Parker,Wiggins, or Randle next year so
don't go crazy on us and win 40 games or something Jazz.
The Jazz scored 112? Wow. And somehow Jimmer got into a game. And scored
13. Not bad for a dude that usually gets fewer minutes than the towel boy. But
still, Free Jimmer!
What I can't understand about the Jimmer situation is where are all the
teams offering first round picks for him? He was a first round guy so the kings
should be able to get a first round pick as a trade right?