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Published: Thursday, Dec. 12 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The golden geese are unbelievably healthy. They are laying more golden eggs than they have in our history. The only problem seems to be that all the eggs end up in the gated communities of the one percent, with very few left over to go to the workers who produce them.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Ronald Kayser thinks there is an unlimited supply of other people's money that he thinks belongs to him. He wants the government to rob what's left in the nests of the next generation of golden geese but doesn't realize in doing so kills all the geese eventually. The geese will eventually learn it does no good to lay golden eggs because Kayser and his government will just confiscate them and that kills the geese just as sure as the greedy farmer who cut the goose open to get more eggs. A dead goose lays no eggs!

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Thid:

To pursue the analogy, I'm no expert on geese, but I doubt that any goose has died from having its eggs taken away. What kills a goose is when it doesn't get enough feed. Right now, the golden geese are feeding quite well and getting fat off the work of the peons. What the geese don't realize is that when the peons don't have enough to eat themselves, they can't work to feed the geese.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

From the republican play book: Always blame the victim.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT
From the republican play book: Always blame the victim.

9:04 a.m. Dec. 12, 2013

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And when bad things happen to good people,
and you are "legitimately" loose everything in the economic meltdown,
your finances have a way to spontaneously abort.

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

I think Joan is right the American worker has to struggle to generate all that wealth maybe the bankng industry, housing industry land others big business interest need to step back and realize the gravy train can't go on forever.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Crudmugeon. To take your analogy to its conclusion, if the golden goose doesn't eat reasonably well how will she invest in businesses that create jobs for the "peons" to work? When was the last time a poor goose offered you a job?

Maudine
SLC, UT

It's true the Walton's need to realize the tax payers work hard to generate what let slice of the wealth we get to take home and cannot supplement their business model forever.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The great Roman historian Plutarch warned us long ago of what happens when there is no brake on the power of great wealth to subvert the electorate. “The abuse of buying and selling votes, crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread in the law courts and to the army, and finally, when even the sword became enslaved by the power of gold, the republic was subjected to the rule of emperors.”

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Thid,

Eating reasonably well is not the same as gorging oneself, which is what the current gaggle of golden geese are doing. It's all a matter of balance--symbiosis, if you will--and the current gross inequality in income is out of balance. It's like an invasive species that consumes the very resources it needs to survive.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Thid,

You totally missed Roland's point. He said nothing about government taking money from the wealthy. The problem with our system is a structural problem in which those who actually create the wealth do not receive a fair share of it.

Just to use the most blatant example, the six primary owners of Wal-Mart possess as much wealth as the bottom 42 percent of all Americans. They pay their workers so little that many qualify for food stamps. A report by the House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimated that one Wal-Mart Supercenter employing 300 workers could cost taxpayers at least $904,000 annually.

This a structural problem. Government redistribution is merely an attempt to deal with the negative effects of this structural problem. And conservatives scream about the injustice of it all, rather than trying to solve the actual problem. Time to pull your head out of the sand, GOP, before it is to late, because this trend will eventually destroy our society.

The real issue is the distribution of wealth, not the redistribution.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The golden goose is not the Government. It's the economy, and our free enterprise system.

Marxists think the solution is to kill private businesses, or the people who drive our free enterprise system. They think IF you can take down the CEOs and rich people... everything will be fine. Well if you ruin people who have money needed to take risks and start new businesses... you kill the goose that COULD have created your next job, or your son's next job, or your neighbors next job.

When we try to take down anybody with wealth... we are killing the goose that lays America's golden eggs (jobs).

The government doesn't create jobs or prosperity or wealth. The government can't give you one dollar it didn't take from another citizen.

Any job they create, any pay check they write... must be funded with a dollar they took from some other citizen with a job. So basically every dollar the government pays to welfare or government paychecks must first be taken from the paycheck of a person with a private job. That's just redistributing wealth... not CREATION of wealth!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

The creation of wealth is no longer based on any work.
Doing work and making money are not one in the same thing.

The top 13,000 households in America,
make more money than the lower 220 Million households combined.

I don't think those 13,000 households are doing more than 50% of all the actual WORK in this Country.

Something is not right.

and this is it:
Those with the wealth no longer value good 'ol fashion hard work.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Crumudgeon. Who's job is it to determine how well any goose should eat? What new government bureaucracy will over see that? What's wrong with being as successful, creative and innovative as you can be? In N. Korea and Cuba the government determines the limits of success. It was that way in E. Germany too but they wised up! If we continue to punish achievement we will have less of it in every level of our society. Conversely, if we continue to reward failure, low achievement and dependency, we will have more of it at every level in our society. Dependent geese lay no eggs!

VIDAR
Murray, UT

I am not worried about the golden goose.
The goose runs the farm, owns the farm in fact.
Even the farmer is his employee.
The goose lets everyone think the farmer is in charge.
The farmer knows better, the farmer knows who his master is.
The goose gives the farmer enough to keep him in line.
It’s the other farm animals I am worried about, they are starving.
That goose takes everything, and leaves hardly anything for anyone else on the farm.
And then demands that everyone thanks him for the scraps.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Yes ---

The masses of the "little people" as we are refered to -- the Oompah-Loompah's -- we are the one's ending to, feeding and caring for those Geese.

The problem is all those Golden Eggs are going down the garbage chute to secret Foreign bank accounts, off-shoring and the Communists in Red China.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

2 bits.

“The government doesn't create jobs or prosperity or wealth” is a lie.

Nothing beyond ourselves and nature itself exists in this nation that is not controlled and regulated by our government(s). It is the ability of government to control who gets rich that makes people spend huge amounts of money to be the government. And provide the seeds of corruption.

It is the nature of human beings to want more. Without government, only the strong survive. Civilization makes it possible for the weak to survive. But only when the weak stand together in a government.

It is our great desire that our economy, the civilized sharing of wealth, work properly to prevent the strong from oppressing the weak. A main concern is the flow of money between the weak and strong for if it is stopped, everybody dies. If redistribution does not occur everybody dies.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

The Geese have seized over $21 TRILLION and safely buried it in idle Foreign bank accounts.

That is money no longer in the U.S. economy.
That is money no longer in circulation.
That money is doing nothing.

The Government is wasting it's time and more OUR money borrowing to try to infuse, inject and stimulate the economy.

The money is there.
The money has always been there.
The rich and greedy have just grabbed it and stuffed it away for themselves.

Trickle-Down economics DOESN'T work.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

Curmudgeon and others have nicely explained the fallacy of favoring the aristocracy of the wealthy few over the vast majority of Americans. Why so many who are adversely affected by this increasingly threatening trend are so adamant on its behalf is puzzling.

Opinions such as those of the letter writer and sympathizers remind me of a passage from “A Course in Miracles.”

“Selective perception chooses its witnesses carefully, and its witnesses are consistent. The case for insanity is strong to the insane.”

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh brother! It isn't just about people who do not want to work! We all know that those people exist. It is stupidity to say all government programs are set up to give away money to the lazy and poor! People never consider all the ways in which big business takes advantage of our government! It would blow people away! It isn't about big government, it is about who gets to control and use that government. Republicans want to get rid of anything that deals with the average American. Yeah, let me pay into Social security for 40 years, so they can tell me I don't deserve it! What a stupid thing to do, and meanwhile you lower taxes for the rich and give them many other tax breaks. What is the difference? They are giving them money/ Lots and lots of money! Besides, many of the areas of our government that they want to get rid of, are ones that will have to then be run by private business. You actually think they can do it cheaper! They are in it to make a profit!

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