StGtoSLC - They may have told you that but what I wrote is a more accurate
description, and this is not based on casual conversations during games or
camps, it is based on first had experience with the officials, the associations
and my own experience as an official. Hall is one of the best
officials in the country period. His number of final fours, conference
tournament championship games and just being in demand prove that. Tornley is
better IMO. Syphers and Irving are both excellent officials too but neither are
as good as Hall or Thornley.
Chris B"If BYU wins by 17 I won't post on BYU articles for
a year!"Average score of the BYU-Utah game during the Dave Rose
era is an 8-point spread:BYU 72Utah 64Yet you want
to more than double that to a 17-point spread, AT HOME no less?What's wrong; too chicken to go for the straight up win?
PP, no, you're incorrect. I've spoken with about a dozen of these
officials, between offseason camps, exhibition games and in-season games when I
worked in the athletic department, and nearly all of them work for multiple
conferences. I don't consider Dave Hall one of the best. He's probably
the most experienced in the west and runs several offseason clinics, but
I've been perplexed by his calls more than any other single official I can
remember. The officials I've been impressed with the most over the years
are the Mikes: Mike Scyphers and Michael Irving. I don't know who the
officials are going to be in Saturday's game, but I am pretty confident
that both Utah and BYU fans who are well acquainted will probably recognize all
cougars, meet the 2 best players in the state, Jordan Loveridge and Delon
Wright.thebigsamoan,Sorry that you have a sorry
"The Utes are much improved from last year"BYU had a top 25
recruiting class, and return most of their stars from last year. This comment
won't play a role. The ONLY advantage for Utah in this game is home court.
Look for BYU to dominate near the end of the game when Utah gets gassed. BYU
is the best team they'll play all year up to this point and they won't
know how to handle the diversity of a better team on their court.
StGtoSLC - That is incorrect. Each conference has their own officials and most
don't cross conference lines. Only the best officials like Dave Hall and
Scott Thornley do that but they still work primarily for one conference. The funny think is, Hall and Thornley are primarily MWC officials and
only worked a few PAC games a few years ago, but come tournament time they were
chosen ahead of all the PAC officials to do the tournament final.SO
yes, the PAC for the most part has terrible and very biased officials in both
Basketball and Football.
Pregame puffing about wright is funny! Let's see how he does against a
real college basketball team on Saturday before making such grandiose
statements. I was at the Boise State game and have seen all of BYUs games. I
see no comparison. Too bad this game is on the mtn2.0 and won't be
available to many.
Down under, aka et al: "I have been watching PAC 10 games for 15 years in
the Pacific Northwest and one thing I have noticed for years, and it is getting
worse, is that the PAC has about the worst officials."Well, I
guess you could say that's one thing you "noticed"... or made up.
The officials for PAC-12 basketball games (and the PAC-10 before it) are by and
large the same exact individuals that cover WAC, MWC, WCC, and any other games
in the West. The officials are not full-time officials for one conference like
football has, they can work for as many as will hire them so they can work three
or four games a week. I see you're doing all you can to get your excuses
warmed up just in case, though. Nice try, you'll have to find one slightly
more believable, though.
This should be a fun game to watch. Utah is much better from what I've seen
& BYU needs to improve defensively to come away with a big victory. Both
these teams have had issues being consistent at times, so both will need to
bring their A game...especially Carlino who makes me want to pull my hair out at
times. If I was Dave Rose I would put Bartley on Wright and play a box and 1
type defense. Bartley is very athletic and a bigger guard that can shut Wright
down. If BYU shuts wright down, that will be the end of it because he's the
heart and soul of the utes and a serious baller. For those saying he's the
best player in the state, he'll have a chance to prove it on Saturday. Good
luck to both teams and may the best team get the W.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UT"Tators,If you're
saying byu is an above average team because they took nationally ranked teams
down to the wire, you must think Utah football is a very above average team
right?"Except BYU came out of their tough schedule with a
CB,And NOT making the big dance makes you what?Isn't that what
teams play the games for? Sorry my friend but you are dead wrong on this
one.Maybe the utes play for something other than making the big dance. I
am now beginning to see your logic here. Utah's role is supporting the
conference from the bottom and making sure that other pac teams make the big
dance by letting them beat you. I get it now. Thank you for the clarification.
Tators,"Since you're already predicting a Utah win on their
home court on Saturday, please tell us you will be willing to obstain from any
sports article comments over the next week should BYU happen to win. I'll
do the same should Utah happen to win. That sounds fair"Gladly.It'll be nice to remind you and ask where you are next
week, knowing you're reading my comments rubbing it in day after day after
day!Your silence will be deafening!
Gonefishin and Tators,You guys are so funny you seem to think simply
making the big dance makes a season successful. I can't think of a single
big time program who thinks just making the tournament somehow makes them a
great team/program.Now, EVERY school has down years and goes without
making the program. But my point is this, I think any program would take a
final 4 year and then several years of not making the tournament over 3
consecutive one and done's or a 3 year 1-3 record in the NCAA tournament.
1 final four is worth a lot more than 2 rounds of 32 and 1 sweet
16(loss).But you guys wouldn't know what a final 4 feels like
Tators,If you're saying byu is an above average team because
they took nationally ranked teams down to the wire, you must think Utah football
is a very above average team right?Or will you flip flip again?
BYU 78UTAH 71Utah has a lot of size and although I like
BYU's starting frontcourt more, they lack depth. If Mika nad Austin stay
out of foul trouble in SLC then BYU should pull this one out. This is
Utah's best team in 6 years so this is no guarantee. BYU will
have to show up and play to win this one. Utah has little to lose with an 11
game losing streak to BYU.
@TatorsI stand corrected; better than average. That win is over
Stanford #56. Probably a middle of the pack, PAC 12 team. Lotta games to be
played; BYU will finish 2nd or 3rd in the WCC. IMO Indeed, better than average
Guy! Looking forward to Saturday's game; I think it will be a good one!
thebigsamoan Richmond, VA - "I can't ever get that sorry network
here."In Richmond Virginia, The PAC12 Network is channel 413 on DISH.
I am not a huge BYU (more of a non-Utah fan) and I am not making excused here
but I have been watching PAC 10 games for 15 years in the Pacific Northwest and
one thing I have noticed for years, and it is getting worse, is that the PAC has
about the worst officials I have even seen, both in and out of conference games.
They will usually heavily favor the pac team in OOC games in making calls so
BYU will have to adjust to poor officiating when they play Utah this weekend.BYU should still win it but not by as many as they should if they played with
neutral officials on a neutral court.
Tators,CB won't respond to your question because it will reveal the
truth as to where the program has been the past few years. He digs up vey old
information that it totally irrelevant in the last 10 years.The important
numbers are 11 of the last 12 have gone to the Cougars and that BYU has more
tourney appearances last 10 years than Utah.
@ Spokane Ute:I quite often agree with your comments, but can't
do so this time. BYU is better than an average team. Much better.Average
teams don't consistently take nationally ranked teams down to the wire the
way BYU has been doing.Average teams don't average 90+ points a game
the way BYU has been doing.Average teams don't beat PAC12 conference
teams on their own home court the way BYU has already done this season.@ Chris B:Are you and "Cletus from Coalville" brothers? If
not, you're certainly kindred spirits. You definitely sound a lot alike.So what is we can all "mark it down" this week?@
goforit:It's basically impossible to assess the difference in
talent levels due to the 2 teams playing totally different levels of opponents
so far. You are trying to compare apples and oranges. BYU has played one of the
tougher pre-conference schedules in the country while Utah has literally played
the very easiest. You might not be surprised if Utah wins, but most
objective basketball pundits certainly will be.@ regis:Utah probably has a better team than last year, but don't forget that BYU
@ Chris B:I noticed in order to answer "Utah" to any of your
specific basketball questions, you had to go back more years than the age of
many current DN readers. So in order to put things in proper context, please
tell the answers to these questions:When was the last time Utah went
to an NCAA post-season tournament?How many times has BYU been to
post-season tournaments over the past 5 years?How many times has
Utah been to post-season tournaments over the past 5 years?Got any
of your infamous guarantees for us today?Since you're already
predicting a Utah win on their home court on Saturday, please tell us you will
be willing to obstain from any sports article comments over the next week should
BYU happen to win. I'll do the same should Utah happen to win. That sounds
Prediction: BYU by 10 points, Haws will struggle as Utah will rough him up and
he'll score most of his points at the line, while Carlino and Mika will be
the stars.If Utah wins, I won't post any comments on Utah
articles for 5 years (this won't be hard, as I don't read them unless
they involve BYU).
No surprise here if Utah wins. BYU'S lack of defense kills them against
teams with talent that is close to theirs. I don't think the talent gap is
all that great between the two teams. Utah will be more physical which will be
the case for most BYU games. Remember history shows finesse teams don't
fair well in the NCAA Tournament. BYU will be in the NIT again this year, they
will lose against the better teams, beat the lesser teams and lose some against
average teams because they can't play defense.
@thebigsamoanThat's a bummer. I will get the game in HD via
comcast. The PAC 12 brodcasts a lot of football and basketball games. It's
actually a very good sports channel. @Chris BPlease
don't get your marker out Guy!
This should be a good physical match and likely decided by the team that can
rebound better in the paint and get those precious second-chance/free throw
points. Of course I expect BYU to come out as the winning team, but it will be a
bit tougher on the road.BYU - 84Utah - 78
Haws may score more, but Wright DOES more. Wright is the best player in the
state, and will be playing in the league in two years. Dick, you
might want to learn how to spell KRYSTKOWIAK's name. Thanks.
I expect a close game. Coach K is a solid coach; I liked how his team did at
the end of close games last year but they didn't do well down the stretch
against Boise State. I wouldn't be surprised to see Utah win this one. I
believe the all time series record in this rivalry is BYU 129 and Utah 125.
Haven't really been following the utes basketball so far, but a 121 ranking
schedule is pretty horrific. It is plainly obvious what their coach is doing,
but it may work out for them. Momentum is a crazy emotional ride.A
top 10 RPI for BYU is fantastic, but the Cougs needed to pull out at least one
win of those three top 25 teams. They were close, but still no W. Stanford win
was big and the USU game was great.Mentally I think BYU can handle
utah in SLC. They've done for the past few years. Haws will be up for the
game. But their 2-3 zone really worries me. The zone looked awful against UMass.
Poor switching and they constantly left the foul line area open which ended up
with dishes in the middle or pop back out for a 3. UMass had some hot hands with
the 3 ball, which was uncharacteristic for their season averages. But when we
played poor perimeter defense...that's what happens. Utah still
has a long way to go, albeit they are making much faster strides. Rose and Co
should handle this game back and forth with a 11 point BYU win.
The utes will do better with basketball than football, and their coach has done
a good job.
Thomas Jeffeson,Deep in the tournament?LOL!The last team in Utah to win a sweet 16 game? UTAHThe last team
in Utah to win an elite 8 game? UTAHThe last team in Utah to win a
final 4 game? UTAH
I was really excited and looking forward to watching the game until I found out
that it's going to be on the Pac12 network. It's very disappointing!
Sucks to be me I guess! I can't ever get that sorry network here. I hope
the game will be exciting and competitive and the Cougs come out on top. Utah
is good and I hope the Cougs will not underestimate them. Go
Chris B,Nobody believes you would stop posting on BYU articles no
matter the final margin of Cougar victory. Love the thickness of
utes rose (crimson rose) colored glasses. One thing that Dave Rose's
schedule has done is ensured that BYU is NOT intimidated. Stanford, away. Texas
and Utah State neutral court. Rose hass the uties number (much like Whit has
Bronco's number, much to my eternal consternation.) Also love that over
the last several years BYU's bigger winning margins have been at the
Huntsman Center.More than anything, too many utes have never experienced the
rivalry before. 4 of the Cougar starting 5 grew up in the rivalry, and Carlino
and Winder are well imbued with it now. New uties haven't seen anything
like Saturday's environment or pressure. Unpredictable how they will
react. Any body who saw BYU Utah St and ESA nows BYU will not be phased by any
environment, nor fan pressure.
I recall Utah last year gave BYU all it could handle in Provo. The Utes are much
improved from last year and will be playing in front of the home fans this time.
It would be foolish to predict a Utah win, but on the other hand it will be no
huge upset if it happens. More importantly, Utah's program is on a positive
trajectory and improving much more rapidly than I would have hoped just two
Look at that picture. that ute guys is totally fowling the byu player and
I'll bet it wasn't called.
RE: Chris B."If byu wins by 17 I won't post on byu articles
for a year!"Thanks for making my day. Now I'm really
looking forward to Saturday's contest.
I like Utah's chances in this one. BYU is an average team. This is good
opponent, but nothing compared to conference play with UCLA, Arizona (1),
Colorado (21) and Oregon (15). Remember, the better team is
who's ranked higher, total points is meaningless as is head to head games.
At least that's what BYU fans think when it meets there agenda.
We are good over byu because we have been playing tuff competition and winning
them good so that makes us real good for Saturday so we will win byu by 37.Utes 99byu 37Gooooooo Utes!
First time in a few years I'm looking forward to this game. I don't
know if Utah has been able in just a couple of years to close the gap
sufficiently for a win. I am anxious to watch individual play and try to
determine who I think is the best player on the court! I'm anxious to see
which team plays the best team ball (remember Utah has something like 6 players
that have played more than 10 games together!) Which team plays the best
defense. It will be fun to watch and the potential is there for a much better
contest next year! Another question is in 2015, if the Y and Utah do not play
each other (which is a possibility according to Coach Rose) will Utah be ready
for Kansas?!Let's get this preseason over - I can't wait
for the PAC-12 Conference to begin play.
Mind games, you must be joint right?If byu wins by 17 I won't
post on byu articles for a year!I will be posting all year. Utah 77 ByU 69Remember, the better team is the one who
scores more points.
Well this should be a test for Utah to see how their STRATEGIC scheduling is
working. BYU will be as close as the Utes get in preparing them for their
rivalry series with Colorado. What a joke. The Cougars have played very well
against the middle of the pack teams like Stanford, Texas, and Utah State so
they should have little trouble with the bottom feeders of the PAC-10.2
conference.This should be a good warm up for our rivals in the WCC
of #20 Gonzaga and St. Mary's.This could be a good game because
of the history these two teams have but it isn't as meaningful as the years
when we had the pair of games in a season.Just glad BYU is winning
the recruiting wars between these two teams.Utes, enjoy these next
couple of days because the talk is easy before the game.Prediction:
BYU 86 Utah 69You don't have to mark it down
it's just my best guess.GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COUGARS!!!!
A few things on this article:I see BYU running a lot of their 2-3
zone. That's been the one real struggle I've seen from Rose's
teams over the years, is running man defense.I expect Utah to drop
back quickly to prevent fast breaks, so there won't be much for offensive
rebounds and second chance points. This means they'll have to work very
efficiently in their halfcourt sets.I expect Wright to guard Carlino
primarily, Dakarai Tucker will probably take Haws.Haws is the
state's best scorer, Dick, but Wright is the best player.
Thomas Jefferson,How pathetic would a team be if they lost to Utah?
Careful with your answer. It's going to come back to you Saturday.