Lets see, Holly oil wants to expand their refinery, and Salt Lake and Davis
Counties have an air pollution problem, so much so that the EPA is putting
pressure on the state to clean up the air and the state doesn't know how it
can meet the guidelines so we can all breathe a little easier and healier.Hello? Anybody home?
The Holly Refinery expansion will create 45 new permanent jobs vs. the health of
millions of people. Do I send my medical bills to The Deseret News, Holly
Refinery or Governor Herbert?
We're talking 45 new and permanent jobs vs. the health of millions of
people. Do I send my medical bills to the Deseret News, Holly Refinery, or
Refineries are not really to blame for poor air quality. Unfortunately, our
refineries are kind of like the property tax notices to tax payers, as they are
so visible. The real enemy preventing better air are the
automobiles and trucks. And there are a million of them in our state. If you
want to attack the problem, start driving less, or take TRAX. If you
aren't willing to do either of those, you might think before you begin to
And now we know that certain religious groups are probably going to receive
monetary contributions to say this. Makes me glad I don't live in Utah
What timing Desert News - to publish on one of the first red air days of the
year. Tasteless and crass to all those children and elderly who are right now
suffering with the poor air quality. Merry Christmas!
There is excess oil due to all the exploration in the United States. Keeping the
prices low as the Administration has done is a good move.
Our air already sickens thousands each winter, and we're proud of creating
40 jobs? This "enlightened" editorial does not consider "why"
Holly wants to double production, the impact of truck traffic and that pollution
to the area, nor does it consider that the changestoequipment are promises, and
NOT systems added into place. This is thick, hot, gunky crude - that would best
be treated at the site, where air quality doesn't affect millions of
Utahns. The argument "they were here first" does not have validity as
population encourages on industry. Were they not here, and asked to build, there
is no way they would receive permission. At what point do we say, enough air
pollution?! At best the new filters only keep pollution to current levels
instead of reducing it. When Wasatch Front cities have the highest pollution
rates in the country, there is something wrong, and the irresponsibility of the
DNews perpetuates risk over value. This editorial is ill-researched SHAMEFUL
and short sighted.
The TRI, toxic release inventory, cannot be taken at face value because such are
self-reported. So its important to have the health data. How can people make
an intelligent decision regarding such developments unless they have an actual
risk assessment? I know I can't. I'm neither for this expansion or
against it. I just don't know because I don't have necessary
And if they don't pass this "risk assessment compares health outcomes
with environmental stress," where do you propose we put them. Perhaps in
the country, near our food sources and water supply? Our coast (Utah
doesn't have one). Where… ?Should these same
"assessments" be also make for the million or so cars that are consuming
and spewing the output of these refineries? I am all for a green
planet…and even renewables. But I also live in the real world where the
options for right now are limited. And I don't I just don't
understand the mentality that says we should shift what we don't like to
someone else's back yard…. even if that back yard is in the country.
How is their right to clean air less than yours… I don't get it.
"Folks... you keep acting like this data doesn't exist for you to see.
Simple " No, it's not quite that simple. A risk assessment compares
health outcomes with environmental stress. That's what needs to be done in
situations like this. If state officials approved this expansion without such
they are not doing state-of-the-art.
Refineries are very expensive real estate. Therefore, I say they should be put
in like valued real estate near the wealthiest neighborhoods so they can enjoy
the view and smell instead of poor people who haven't earned the
privilege.And besides, the refinery should be as close as possible
to the people that use the most gasoline per capita, it's just basic
Folks... you keep acting like this data doesn't exist for you to see.
Simple go to the EPA Air Data page, and you can see by zipcode the air quality
for that location. If you want to see what toxins have been release, it is in
the TRI listings. None of this is secret. It is all reported. It is all
publicly viewable.If you don't like the refineries... stop
using their product. Otherwise, your complaints are just a little.... well.....
"Drill baby", by definition, trumps NIMBY every time.
"This "now that I am here - you move" mentality is crazy."
Entirely beside the point. We need to know the current public health risk posed
by the refineries, and what it might be with the expanded footprint.
We are amazed Utahns do not possess the WILLPOWER to fight for breathable air.
They send their teenagers around the world as missionaries to preach the gospel,
to be healthy, not to drink coffee, or do drugs, but they themselves are
addicted to their high energy use, SUVs, and "economic growth" at the
expense of the environment and their own health. What hipocrasy and stupidity!
Commuting to work everyday I am disgusted by the sight of pollution covering our
valleys. When I see clouds of pollution streaming out of the Bountiful
smokestacks my heart goes out to those residents who live in that poison. These
companies must pay good money to keep the politicians from taking any real
action. I recommend shutting down these polluters and relocating them to rural
areas where millions won't be poisoned every day.
I am sorry, and yes I know I am biased here, but these plants have been located
there as long as I have been making the drive from my old home on Yale Ave to
Farmington - over 50 years. Not to many people living in that area moved their
before these plants were there. This "now that I am here - you move"
mentality is crazy.And yes, I work for the energy industry, my bias
exposed. I am also very pro-alternatives and think we need to develop those
aggresively. But the reality is that what ever is built on, or added to that
plant will by default make it cleaner and safer because any turnaround or
retrofit dictates the plant needs to be raised to newer standards. It will be
more instrumented, more safe, and more clean than it was before.We
need a diverse foundation of energy sources. All should be developed. Energy
is the most regressive expense to the lower class. We need to develop multiple
streams of energy to keep energy affordable - and oil will for the next 50 years
stay in important contributor to that mix.
Shame on the Deseret News for favoring turning South Davis County into the
pollution center of Utah. Why is it that the DNews continues to imply and infer
in its articles that Salt Lake County is supreme, and all other counties must
sacrifice for its welfare. The majority of the refinery's product that
stays in Utah will be used by the vast hordes of Salt Lake County. They are the
ones who should take the refinery's pollution.
Someone should so some math. In the Uintah basin there are on average 7 new
wells each week brought online. Each well is beleived to bring in at least 200
barrels per day. One company in the basin drilled over 200 wells last year.A 60,000 barrel expansion will work for the nexzt 2-3 years but by then
the demand for refinery will again surpass the capacity of Holly.They also refine Canadian crude and there is a solid supply of that oil as it
is backed up clear to the border waiting for refining.You can
complain about an expansion of existing business but what about the basin where
the rule used to be an oil rig must be 650 feet away from a residence. The
manager of Utahs largest oil producer came to the town meeting and threatened to
take his drilling business to North Dakota if rules were not changed.Landowners succumbed and now oil rigs are as close as 30 feet from peoples
backyard, and the county and the state just roll over to the oil companies.
What was once quiet peaceful living is now like staying in an airport motel
where it is relatively quiet .....until you go outside.
This editorial has managed to discuss the issue of air pollution without any
apparent research, or air pollution statistics to back up its claims. This piece
has the gravitas of the average late night, weight loss infomercial.Air pollution in this valley is getting to be a serious issue for Salt Lake
Valley's future growth and economic development!The answer will
be found with science based rational solutions, not groundless theories on how
things SHOULD work.
People don't need to breath clean air. God intended us to breath
pollution. That's why he gave us lungs equipped with pollution filters.
Since you have gone on record favoring the expansion I assume you can answer the
following:1) Has a public health risk assessment been done (by DEQ
or the Utah Department of Health) for residents living close to or downwind from
the Holly Refinery? This would have reflected current conditions and should
have included all environmental issues including ground water.2) Who
owns the Holly Refinery (I assume it isn't the "Holly Oil
Company")? What sort of track record do the owners have in the way of