This is obnoxious. No raises at all.
$13M and $87,000 isn't enough for the Governor?
As I see it, this is not a bipartisan issue--I believe the overwhelming majority
of politicians feel entitled. They promise anything to get into office and then
lose sight of why they're really there. I don't believe
they should be given a pay raise. If we remove the outrageous salaries as an
incentive for obtaining these positions, maybe we'd get some people in
there who actually want to be public "servants." Frankly, there are
already a lot of perks that come with these jobs--like a luxury State vehicle
for personal use. The governor's on this push to improve
operation performance by 25% which really means doing more with less, regardless
of how Kristin Cox spins it. Now we understand why all the cuts--Top State
Execs need a pay raise.
The first order of business when you get elected to a high public office is to
form and appoint a compensation committee to begin the sales process relative to
why you're just not being adequately compensated, and to explain how your
colleagues and counterparts in other jurisdictions are all making much more than
you are. Another angle here is to get people who will drive home the idea that
with your amazing administrative talent, it's pretty much a given that you
could make MULTIPLES of what you're getting if you were just greedy and
self-serving enough to be applying your abilities in "the private
sector"--but thankfully, you're such a selfless person that you're
willing to sacrifice enormously so the little people can benefit from your very
University Presidents earn six figure salaries and are provided a very nice home
to live in. Football coaches are way overpaid. I would like to know exactly
where a coach's base salary come from. Does any come from revenue
generated by B-Ball or football. The governor does a good job and deserves
decent compensation. A 40% raise is unrealistic. If he is not satisfied there
is always an executive position at UTA.
It has not seemed right that any elected official should make more than his
constituents. It seems like it would be better for them to make the median
wage, however, I would even accept it if they made 40% above the real median
household income for the most recent year for which we have statistics. For
example in Utah in 2012, it was $57,049 so perhaps the governor should start
making $79,868.60 per year. Then the other executive officials could make 95%
of that.Maybe someone would realize that if state worker's
wages went up, their own would also rise. Maybe schoolteachers, etc. would see
increases, and more would be able to afford to live.Abolish
campaigning and its funding except for a state-run website that fairly explains
who the candidates are and what they stand for. Do away with the Hatch Act,
letting anyone could run for office again. Then it wouldn't matter if you
are wealthy and can afford the cut in pay, or if you are one of the many who
make less than the median income and would get a raise -- we should still have
plenty of candidates who could run for office.
All these elected people, no matter where they live, will tell you that they
want to be public servants. Maybe they should be paid on a performance scale.
They get paid for job performance much like they want teachers to be paid for
job performance. Heck, I think we ought to vote everyone of them out of office.
It seems like they want the job so they will have retirement benefits for life!
And who get to pay for it? The people do, just like they have to pay for
That's a pretty low salary for a Governor. Even assistant football coaches
at BYU make more than that.
It's called redistribution of wealth.Just to be fair,--Obama
spends more of our money, on one vacation, than Herbert will make in ten years.
@ FaifeauSam"Who made you judge and where do you come off saying
that Herbert has done nothing?"1. As a citizen I get the
privilege of judging elected officials. 2. I never said Herbert has done
nothing. There is a difference between being a leader and a caregiver. "Do you not realize that some things move slower than we want? Job Growth,
Environment, Healthcare? "3. Yes, but you can be part of the
long term solution and not part of the problem. Republican think rich people
create jobs. Cosnummer demand creates jobs. Herbert and others would be wise to
create an economic eco-system that encourages the proper reward of investors,
laborers, and management. 4. Plain and simple Herbert gets elected
in Utah because there is an R by his name. We need solutions, not parties of
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtSince no one asked, I will. What was
your point. This is about Utah, and you go off on billions spent by President
Bush and Republicans for war? A little off topic I'd say. However, I do
wonder if you could tell me any Republican of national note who actually said
that to ask about spending is unpatriotic. Because if it is unpatriotic to ask
then I guess I am a traitor to the country for asking the Democrats and
President Obama about the 7 trillion spent in the last 5 years.
Does this action surprise anyone? Politicians make sure to cover cost of living
for themselves, but let their own employees languish with insipid 1% or .5%
raises. I think that elected officials should tie their salary increase to the
same percentage their own state workers get. That means a possible 1% raise.
@toosmartforyou:"Why not 4% a year, each year, for the next ten years?
Then people could support it."Why not no more than the cost of
living each year?
Why aren't the politicians who funded this study, Why don't they give
the same reasons they give teachers, highway patrol, UDOT employees and other
state employees. "That it's a tough economy and people are still
without jobs. We pride ourselves on keeping costs down and limited government.
For these reasons we will not accept a 40% pay increase. We will take the exact
same pay increase that other State employees will enjoy."?
@ Commodore: Who made you judge and where do you come off saying that Herbert
has done nothing? Why does he keep getting elected? Do you not realize that some
things move slower than we want? Job Growth, Environment, Healthcare? It always
amazes me that people want immediate gratification rather than a patient
thought-out process. I ran for state office 30 years ago and would have been a
good senator, but I would have been willing to compromise and study and listen
to my constituents!
@ one vote,I totally agree with your comment. Where in the heck are
the Tea Party buddies to squash this outrageous thinking? Who initiated this
"Independent study commission? Don't they have more pressing issues to
As a state worker I can attest to the fact that our salaries were frozen for 4
years, then we received 1% raise last year; this year they are proposing 1%. I
make $28/hour as a 30 year experienced RN with college education - well below
the going private sector. (If some people have their way fast food workers with
no education could be making half that much). The retirement somewhat
compensates unless the economy goes completely bust and it's not even there
when we are able to collect it. Teachers consistently get better raises than we
do and it is frustrating that the money typically goes to the top - in all
aspects of public service. Fellow citizens and responsible taxpayers: please be
careful when judging and making blanket statements.
I agree with RWSmith for the most part, but I don't believe 50% of teachers
leave the profession in 5 years. Where do these statistics come from?
@ Culbear: Have you ever considered the outlandish and extraordinary salaries of
the state educational institutions paid to the coaches? All others:
Don't bring up the federal fiasco and compare our state leaders with the
national do-nothings! Herbert, etal, are NOT Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc.
A lot of good thoughts here, but I don't see many people lining up to take
the jobs. I agree that teachers, police and firemen deserve an adequate raise,
but I also think the state leaders should be compensated. How many of those who
criticize would be capable of handling the duties and responsibilities...and
PRESSURE that the governor and others have?
Herbet is nothing but a caretaker. He is not a leader, but an elected
maintenance man. What has he really done to secure a bright future for Utah? Let's do a grading of Herbet:Job Growth: FAlthough unemployment has been declining in the state these past few years,
the jobs that have been pouring in the have been low paying with few or no
benefits. We need living wages, not slave wages! Taxes: CState
taxes have stayed constant, but there are many corrections that need to occur to
make the system more fair. I give him a C for maintenance, which is barely
passing. Environment: FGovernor Herbert has done nothing to
fix our terrible air, but has passed the buck on with promoting study after
study. Do something now to reduce horrible air pollution! We want action now,
not 10 years later. Healthcare: FGovernor Herbert has
foolishly dug his heels in with concerns about expanding medicaid. The federal
government will pay for 90% of it and states will pay no more than 10%. Many
people will suffer because of him.Overall Grade: F+/D. Herbert Fails
in my grading book and deserves to be fired, not paid more.
A School Teacher goes to college for 8 years, earns an Associates,
Bachelors AND a Masters [many hold PhDs].They make $45,000 a
year.Gary Herbert attended BYU, but never even finished college.And IF compensation is likened to a CEOs salaries, the that should
be a big red flag that America's CEO are making way WAY too much money!
To "one vote" I hate to break it to you, but the Tea Party wouldn't
shut down the government. Locally, just like nationally, they would propose a
budget that would fund the government. It was the Democrats that shut down the
national government by voting down a reasonable proposal just so that their pet
project could not get discussed further.To those that dislike this
idea. I don't think many of you actually read the article. The point is
that without raising the pay, you narrow the number of canidates down to just a
few that are wealthy. As for all of the side benefits, many do not use them.
For example Huntsman continued to live in his own house while Governor. Once in
office, the governor always has the option to accept or reject a salary. For
example, Mitt Romney declined the salary offered to him when he was governor of
Guv doesn't earn what he makes now....
Why do politicians want it all so fast. Sow down a little. There are too many
people in hard times, and this is hardly setting a good example. Do not let
Obama;s excesses loose here.
(cont’d) But that was just to bring us more back in line with where we
were when we got cut in the first place. That’s to say nothing about
subsequent COLA increases or – heaven forbid – raises of any kind.
Public service employees can’t negotiate for higher wages. They have
to be legislated – just like the governor and his ilk. Some independently
biased commission recommends a 40% increase to put Utah’s execs in the top
ten of governors’ pay. It is these same execs that fought tooth-and-nail
against a 2.5% restoration claiming the State’s revenues couldn’t
support such a “drastic” increase. A 40% increase? Ridiculous! Give
them the same 2.5% I got and tell them to be happy just to have a job when so
many others don’t. You want to talk REAL money from the State,
though? USU’s Matt Wells pulls down $415,000 a year with a possible
additional bonus of $150,000. (USA Today, 1 July 2013) At least, he gives us
something to cheer about.
According to a PEW report regarding salaries of state governors across the
entire country, Utah’s “top job” is below the national average
of $130,595 but well above the low of $70,000. It also documents that “the
average salary of U.S. governors also has begun to slide.” That would be
the opposite of what is being proposed here. Before reducing its
governor’s salary by over $40,000, California had the highest paying spot
at $212,179. During the time that Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger held that
position, he never accepted a single red cent from the state’s offering.
The same goes for Florida’s current governor. In Tennessee, both the
former and current govs pay the taxes on their salary and return the remainder
to the state coffers.I’ve been in public service for over 30 years.
A few years ago, we all took a substantial cut in pay so that we could retain
our current staffing rather than “furlough” (the politically-correct
way of saying “fire”) several. We all got giddy about the prospect
of a 2.5% restoration earlier this year. (more)
The State Legislature and Governor should get paid the same a school teachers...
That would be a lesson in economics! Maybe they'd think twice about voting
against teacher salary raises.
"I myself have labored with my own hands that I might serve you, and that ye
should not be laden with taxes..."Mosiah 2:14Let's be true latter-day saints that live according to this model.I agree that government service should be an honor performed freelyand a part time duty. I always feel uneasy when legislatures are insession.The legislature should not meet so often but "labor
with their own hands"for there own upkeep. They should be meek and
caring and there to lighten our loadsnot heap more upon our backs.
It is imo a worthy goal that we might not be burdened with so many taxes
and other burdens imposed by the legislators and signed by successive governors,
including ever increasing sales taxes, and property taxes that seem to go up
readily with the market and come down grudgingly even in today's market.Minimal government, small government, is beautiful government."Woe to them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness
which they have prescribed."Isaiah 10:1
What a joke - it's the teachers of our children, grandchildren and great
grandchildren that deserve an increase not the Governor and his cronies. I hope
this 40% increase does not go through...but it's the typical attitude among
leaders in this country...their own self-worth opinion seems to trump all common
I have no doubt Governor Herbert and others in higher public office deserve
better salaries. Many of those jobs are grueling and thankless until a later
time when contacts made in office can be parlayed into real reward.
Public school teachers, too, deserve much, much more than they receive in
compensation packages. Their careers are not ended by law in 8 years, and at
the end of the maybe 35-year careers, what's the payoff for having
persevered? What connections were made leading to "real reward"? It's interesting how much control over public school
teachers' compensation Utah's governor has, the governor who might be
awarded 40% higher salary and not be stuck with that "pittance" for a
whole working life. Is there any wonder recruiting and retaining
the very best, brightest and most classroom worthy teachers for Utah's
public schools is increasingly impossible? 8 years and out for the governor
and, maybe, 40% more in salary before the out part. Almost 50% of those who
enter teaching in the public schools, though, end up choosing an earlier
out--within their first five years.
The GOV. as well as most of his elected cronies are the party of NO...Therefore...regarding this proposal...in order to maintain political
purity...The decision should be...NO...NEVER...A 1000
Why of course!Would anyone in our troubled economy imagine otherwise!These people are special and deserve the best!Just ask them.
I have been to the DMV and was so pleased by the very short wait time and the
extremely friendly service. I was raised back east and have lived in 5 states
as an adult, and I must say Utah is AWESOME. Low traffic on the freeways
because of great planning. Smart construction planning to provide the least
inconvenience to drivers (in many states they close multiple routes to the same
place at the same time!). GREAT mass transit options. Low taxes (New York
property taxes were 6-7 times what they are here!). We have a
balanced budget. We run schools that may not be at the very top academically,
but we have some excellent ones and our AP pass rates are very strong. And we
do it on the lowest funding in the nation! Our recreation opportunities
can't be rivaled - well-kept trails for hiking and biking, amazing parks to
play in. Very low unemployment - great jobs. The list goes on!There are many, many great people in Utah making this state a highly desirable
place to relocate to. The governor and state leaders are doing an excellent
job. Reward them for the great place Utah is!
When everyone elses pay goes up 40% then their pay can go up 2%. C'mon
with all of their kickbacks and living on taxpayer dollars, really?!I though the whole idea of the public servant/office was to serve. NOT to be
served.I don't mind giving a wage to politicians, but, maybe
they should get a wage similar to those in the bottom 40% percentile. Then they
can base their decisions on something that most people get to live on. Same
thing with health care. Whatever the bottom 40% has, is the same health care
that the politicians get.What better way to know how to better serve
Here's an idea. Elected officials serve WITHOUT PAY. But provide a living
stipend to cover their actual expenses. Almost all of them are LDS. Isn't
that how general authorities of the church are compensated? Shouldn't our
state's leaders follow the good example of their religious leaders?Service should be an honor, performed honorably. It should not be a
40% ?!You've got to be kidding?What about the rest
of the State employees who have gone without a pay raise?What about the
School Teachers with advanced Master's degrees who make dirt wages?Leaders should Lead by example.
I think the Governor probably deserves a raise, but let's take the amount
for the increase out of the salary the University of Utah football coach is
getting. He is the highest paid state employee at almost two million dollars a
year!. I propose that all states allocate less money for these over paid
coaches and put some of that money back into more important priorities. If all
of the state Universities lower the coaches salaries, the coaches wouldn't
be able to sqwak and leave for a higher paying job at the "other
school". We have gone nuts in America with the salaries we pay these state
run University sports coaches. Will sanity ever return?
"Now, nearly all the members of the governor's cabinet and a number of
local government officials earn more than the $109,900 the state's top job
pays. Utah's other elected executives earn 95 percent of the
governor's salary."Here's a crazy idea. If it is a bad
thing for the Governor to be paid less than other people in the government, how
about the salaries of those who make more than him and 95% of him have their
salaries lowered, rather than raising his?
Get off your high horse everyone...time to look within yourself...how many of
you would turn down a 34% raise if it came your way? How many of you have ever
turned down even a 1 or 2% raise? How many of you, if you could determine your
own raise, wouldn't give yourself one?Yeah, that's what I
thought. Why do you expect a politician to be more altruistic than you are?
All state officials compensation should be based on a percentage (or times) the
state's average for total employment, i.e.: if the average employee in
Utah has a total benefits package of perhaps $40,000 then the maximum total
benefits package for elected officials should be perhaps 3X, or $120,000. That
provides incentive, fairness, accountability, and cost controls.
Employees of the State of Utah received a 1% kick in the face cost of living pay
raise in 2012. Nothing for 2013. This is a money grab - plain and simple.
Where is the "independent" group that looks at salaries of State of Utah
employees and school teachers? Why are they not heard?
We want to attract the best and the brightest. But a 36% raise seems a bit
extreme. If an independent company says they need a raise to make them
comparable with other employees, maybe the other employees are overpaid. How
about a modest raise in exchange for cutting back the retirement benefits? If
they get retirement benefits like our US elected officials, they are highly
I find it quite appalling that any elected official should make over $100k a
year. Especially in a state as cheap to live in as Utah. The government is not
and should not behave like the private sector when it comes to elected
officials. Their pay should not be competitive, it should be competent. A law
should be passed preventing any group of elected officials from passing/voting
on their own pay raise. They have enough tings comped for this not to be a
As an IT professional that worked for the state and after watching my
counterparts in the private sector doubling their salaries over the same period
of time that mine was at a zero percent growth, I abandoned the public sector
and went to the private. I immediately took a 50% raise and have been raised
every year since. This proposal is ridiculous in light of the no
wage adjustment for the thousands of state employees.
As a public employee for 30+ years, I have never seen a 40% increase. After
telling teachers, policemen, firemen etc that there just isn't money for
any meaningful cost of living increases it is unbelievable that the state
executives, who already make larger salaries, are even considering this. Shame
on you for using your positions for personal gratification.
We can already see the writing on the wall--pay raises for our legislators are
coming. They said, "How can we give ourselves pay raises and have the
taxpayers feel good about it?" "I know--let's commission a study
that tells everyone how underpaid we are." Yet when an independent study
was done last year comparing the salaries of public employees with that of their
private-sector counterparts and finding that public employees were grossly
underpaid, the legislature quickly discounted the study and suggested that
public employees should just be happy to be public employees. Well
distinguished legislators, I say what's good for the goose is good for the
gander. I noticed that one commenter below suggested that legislators be given a
4% per year increase, instead of the whopping 40%. That's fine and good,
but they ought to do the same for public employees, instead of the measley 1%
they've been giving public employees the past couple years. I'm sure
public employees would love a pay increase that actually tries to keep up with
inflation. SHAME ON OUR PUBLIC EXECUTIVES AND LEGISLATORS.
Whatever the raise ends up being, no current official should qualify. Only newly
elected people should be allowed to benefit from the raise, that way
there's no personal incentive for increasing pay.
He totally deserves it. He's been doing so many ribbon cuttings this year,
he must be exhausted.
What was that, Christmas Gift? Really? Why bring it up?
Wheres the tea party in this ...caucus and primary 'em. Shut down
DN Subscriber 2,The state's population is expected to double, but you
expect them to provide the same level of services without adding a single
employee? Have you even been to the DMV lately?Get real.
Comparisons to the private sector are always made; what is needed is to lower
private sector wages at the CEO and other upper (Corporate) levels. Government
salaries should not compete with private sector wages. Government officials
already receive adequate compensation, when benefits are considered. Besides,
it's called Government service. Service to the public is the keyword: money
should be a lesser consideration. Some people volunteer their time and talents.
These Government Officials are not hurting, unlike many ordinary citizens.
"Independent study commissions" are an oxymoron, there is no such thing.
No person involved in government,the study of government is without opinions,
an agenda, or philosophy that drives them, myself and the rest of those who
comment included. That is why I speak against an ISC to draw congressional
boundaries, review what-ever issue that a city or county council or legislature
is afraid to deal with.That being said, the legislature should
review the study and come to a finding or decision. I agree that all the perks
of the offices should be laid out for the public to see. Some of what has been
commented upon may be correct, some may not. The total package should be on the
table, open to view.I think compensation should be adequate to
attract a broad range of candidates. We should keep in mind that
running a state is no piece of cake. You may or may not be a "Prima
dona" but you have to deal with a whole lot of other "Prima donas",
a cantankerous press and legion of "low information voters", a judiciary
that are wanna-be politicos who legislate from the bench, and the federal
Self Servers doing what they do best. I'm pretty sure they knew what the
salary was when they ran, none of them has done such a fine job they deserve or
need a 40% raise. The People that need a 40% raise are minimum wage earners and
the like, school teachers, police & corrections officers, fire fighters,
deserve a 40% raise. The Governor and his cronies deserve none. If they
can't make it they should do as Lt. Governor Bell and go back to the
private sector. But then they would have to DO something.
No pay raise. Not until they actually DO something.
George Washington set the example and served his country without pay. There are
thousands of capable Utah citizens who are able to and able and willing to serve
their state for free.
Of course this is a stupid proposal and proposed to get everyone ticked off so
that when they end up giving themselves a 15% raise then we won't think too
much of it.
Seems to me that raises should be based on performance - such as reductions in
Air and water pollution (which we have yet to see).
In the last 7 years, State employees have received a 1 percent raise, one time.
The governor has proposed another 1.25%, for a total of 2.25%. Surveys
consistently show state government employees earn about 40 percent of the market
rate for their jobs, and no adjustments will take place until that figure is in
the mid-30s by policy. Just a comparison to the elected officials.What happened to serving the public? And, after considering that taxpayers
fund housing, transportation, food, and many other expenses for the governor,
$110,000 per year isn't enough to continue serving? I'm glad for much
of what elected officials do, but why is it about being the most highly
compensated executive in the State? They always emphasize how all they want to
do is serve. Maybe we should step up their salaries at the same rates as State
employees--so how about a 2 - 3 percent increase over a 10-year period??
Public school teachers are the ones who deserve a 40% salary increase.
The GOP scares it's voters with boogeymen social issues while the dole out
the money for weapons, bombs, corporate welfare, themselves, and their cronies.
I stopped believing and voting for the GOP when I asked how we were going to pay
for all the TRILLIONS spent by GW Bush only to be told by fellow GOP that it was
"unpatriotic" to ask. GOP supporters, stop acting like the TRILLIONS
under Bush somehow don't count against your "fiscal conservative"
Not only NO! But heck NO!One Old ManYou sign up on the
broken obama care web site. Of all people, you should know.
How many people are out of work, and this commission wants the unemployed, or
under employed to pay more for their Elected officials. I think NOT.As one of
the other people commented, they know the pay when they Run for office, nobody
stuck a gun to their head and told them they had to run. It doesn't matter
what Elected officials are getting in other states, compensation is for this
state. The only time compensation should be compared to others is in the Private
one old man, you sign up by being elected, especially to the US Congress.A nearly 40% increase is obscene. Why not 4% a year, each year, for the
next ten years? Then people could support it. Politicians NEVER do
anything until it becomes a crisis, then Pow!--it's a major thing.
Replacing old sewer lines that were not properly maintained is a prime example
of that. Wait until they need replacing and then float a bond for emergency
repairs and the public will say you're a wonderful leader.Most
people tolerate their local government but they don't like it. They will
show up for a public hearing on a hot-button issue but that's the only
time. The politicians don't care---the less that is said the better,
according to them. (Sound like communism?)
These "independent study commissions" are set up for one purpose only -
to "backstop" the executives making their OWN case for a raise. It
makes the executives look like they don't REALLY want/need the raise. i.e
- they're only going along with the raise because the "commission"
says they should.The officials KNEW the salary when they took the
job, if they can't afford to work for 100k plus, they shouldn't have
taken the job!Pay raises like this result in executive salary
"creep" all over the state. Thats why you see city managers (and
others) making in excess of 150k per year.
Make sure there is one contingency:These people receive NO PAY AT
ALL for any year in which:A- the state has a deficit, or;B- the
state raises taxes, or;C- the state increase the number of state
employees.If unwilling to accept that simple condition, then no
Before prescribing a specific dollar amount to the salary, it would be nice to
itemize the total compensation package: paid meals, value of the
governor's mansion (tax-payer housing), transportation, protective
services, health care benefits, etc., etc.We may find that the
actual dollar amount is nearly $200K now, even without a pay raise.Also, please share what comparable states are paying their political leaders.
Hmmmmmm. High salaries. Taxpayer paid medical care with lifetime care for the
exec and family after only a few years of service. Generous retirement plans.
A tight-knit network of Good Ol' Boys to watch your back.Sounds
like a good deal to me. Where do I sign up?