Ask the Football PROI agree with you, it's always dangerous to
point fingers at folks pencil whipping the stats. Bear River fan your stats
guys inflated a bit too. Looking at my son's stats there are some assists
counted and are questionable and some solos that didn't get counted. And,
an LB tackle 6-10yds off the ball is a lot different than stuffing a play at the
line or TFL or holding the edge, stats are only stats. That's why I like
the coaches vote - it's the kids they remember making a difference in the
Let's clear the air, I'm a dad from Desert Hills, I've been to
the game where the kid who has 143 tackles is the reason why we lost our first
game of the year! We were 5-0 going in to Pine View, this player Jaden Ah Quin
had 3 Interceptions against our team and lead Pine View defensively to the
victory over us. I also remember this same player making a HUGE STOP against
Juan Diego in OT to give his team the ball back. I looked at his MAXPREPS and it
showed 79 Solo tackles 64 Assisted 3 Force Fumbles 1 Fumble Recovery 5
Interceptions. He's a 3 year starter I remember his Sophmore year he picked
our QB Mike Needham for a 75 yard return to set Wilstead up for a easy pass TD.
As for #3 Kody Wilstead, hands down the BEST throwing QB in the
State. I've seen him play since 5th grade and is a great player and Snow Canyon was 3-0 Pine View won 56-28Desert Hills 5-0 Pine
View won 16-10Juan Diego 11-0 Pine View won 48-42 and maybe one of
the BEST High School
@UtahcubsYou have to remember some of these kids didn't play
most of the 3rd and 4th quarters in their games a lot of their games. The stats
themselves are not the do all end all, especially defensive stats. The coaches
vote on the kids - they actually saw them play, watched film, etc...
@ApocalyseIf you go to the stats compiled week by week by the DN the
actual numbers submitted by the PV folks are different from the totals printed
in the article. The two LBs you refer to reported 111 and 101 tackles, not 139
and 124. The DB you complain about had 78 tackles, not 143 as printed above. I
suspect the actual facts won't change your view, but somebody needs to call
you on it.
@fenderit appears rival thinks wilstead didn't produce when it
matter most, simply because the pine view defense couldn't make one final
stop, which up to that point pine view was actually winning. I
guess somewhere in the last 5-6 seconds of play, wilstead loses credibility over
something he didn't have control over. He wasn't getting back on
the field regardless of whether desert hills scored or not. Wilstead is a beast of an athlete and especially as a quarterback, I would
honestly be surprised if i didn't see him break a few records next year.
@ApocalypseJust checking the stats kept through the season by DN
(and submitted by coaching staff of the schools) and what they show is that the
all state PV LB you refer to had 111 tackles (9/game) and the all state DB you
refer to had 78 tackles (6.5/game). It appears to me that the article got it
Rival ScoutThanks for straightening all that out. So according to
you beating JD, the team ranked #1 all season long and arguably the best team in
3AA even with the loss, was of no value to Wilstead's team. And, getting
his team to the finals (with the second best individual season all time) was of
no value to his team and shouldn't have been taken into account by DN. As
an aside, in the earlier game between the two schools, Wilstead ran for the
winning score (and according to DN it was DH's QB who threw 3 picks in that
game). You seem to have an axe to grind, so obviously nothing I say or even the
decision of an impartial publication like the DN is going to change your mind.
@ Utah Cubs, from TremontonSounds like your player had a good year.
I think the voters were not sure how to take the stats.See comments
about PV, the coaches are very sensitive when things appear out of whack.He only had 38 solo tackles which ranked him #22 in 3AA. With 115
assisted tackles, and the next highest in the state only having 66, it made
everyone question the record keeping. He is probably lucky to receive honarable
mention. I noticed the Wise kid made first team from BR, so it's not like
the voters were snubbing your school.If he is only a junior, then
maybe going forward you can have your stats guy get on the same page as the rest
of the state. I know there are definitions listed that may help.Best of Luck to the Bear River boys.
@ fenderThe point is that nobody threw four interceptions in one
game against D-Hills except one person, so the point isn't that the defense
could be that bad, maybe it's that someone else was. It's not the
"game of the year" in the semi's that matters to anyone. It's
playing your second to worst game of the year in the finals that people will
remember, and your worst game of the year against D-Hills earlier in the
year.PV did beat D-Hills earlier in the year with a pick 6 by six
points, there were also 3 more interceptions in that game, and no passing
TD's. In the finals there was only 1 TD thrown. So to be the MVP in the
State you have to have the most value when your team needs it. Remember D-Hills
was also behind in both games at the RES. He had a great year, but
did not bring the value when it mattered most.
I was waiting to see this list with one local kid in mind. How does McKade
Mitton of Bear River fall to honorable mention in 3AA at linebacker? He was a
terror, averaging 14 tackles per game (no, not Pine View's statistician),
156 total tackles for the year. A couple of the first teamers on this list had
50 tackles? Really? It comes down to what school they go to (St. George or
JD) and how far their team goes in the playoffs. Too bad, Mitton had a monster
year and was only a junior. Watch out next year.
@polyzsmile4meNo one is discrediting the work they did, only the
work they didn't do.
Agreed, Wilstead's play against JD was MVP worthy, all from 14pts down. As
a JD parent it was tough to watch a 1:40 drive engineered by Wilstead throwing
into triple coverage on the end of regulation touchdown against an all-state LB
and Safety. Great QB and congrats DH. Tough loss on a JD senior parent, but
Wilstead was the best QB we saw all year.
@H-Town TigerVery classy comment. My respect.@ApocalypseH-Town Tiger has said it well. I would just add that
Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brett Favre have all thrown 6 picks in a game, but
that probably won't prevent them from HOF consideration. Unless
you're saying DH defense is so bad that nobody could possibly throw 4 and
be any good. You might bear in mind that Wilstead played the game of the year
the week before against JD. He also beat DH earlier in the year. DH earned the
trophy and gets credit for what they did in the last game, despite losing 2
games during the season. Why not just give Wilstead his due and move on?
@apocalypsedhills turned the ball over a lot of times as well,
don't take the mvp away from the person who deserves it, just because
dhills scored on the last second. Wilstead is arguably one of the best (if not
the best) Quarterbacks southern utah has seen in a very very long time. and
while still throwing 4 interceptions, he still through over 300 yards and came
within a few pass plays of setting the state record.
Congratulations to all those athletes who made it on this list. I am especially
proud of Liahona (LJ) Tiatia who played both OL/DL for Pineview. Although I
can't validate his stats for those that are overly concerned about that but
I do know that he also had at least 1 interception against Snow Canyon, we were
at that game until after 11 pm waiting to see if the lightning would stop so
they could continue to play. We won that night and LJ & his interception I
am pretty sure, was even mentioned in paper...It takes a lot of hard work and
dedication for these athletes to keep putting in the hours of training early in
the morning or long after the sun goes down for one person to try to discredit
their hard work...Kudos and never let anyone tell you otherwise!!! Now do
except for the one that cannot be inflated, STATE CHAMPIONS!
Congrats Jaren and Brock...and to all the young men who made this past season a