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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 10 2013 2:25 p.m. MST

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airnaut
Everett, 00

GOP - the Archie Bunker party.
Middle aged, corporate white-men.

By their very own admission,
They fall short appealing to college-aged young poeple, women, minorities, LGBTs, and non-Chrisitians.

Nelson Mandela fought for the inclusion of ALL South Africa's citizens, and against taking revenge.
The conservative GOP - like the conservative National Party [Apartheid] -- stands diametrically opposed as his polar opposite.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Open Minded Mormon

When will you and others learn. Reagan was against big taxes and big government. He called for tax cuts. That, building up the military, and defeating the Soviet Union were his agenda. None of those priorities would put him (Reagan) out of the T-Party. Today he would likely be seen as the leader of the T-Party movement. In fact, in his day, Reagan WAS considered an outsider Republican. Outside the mainstream moderate Republican Party of Gerald Ford. Reagan was looked upon by some Republicans, lots of Democrats, and most of the media as what a Rand Paul, Ted cruz, or Mike Lee is looked upon like today. That is just how it was. I was there voting for Reagan, and so I know how he was perceived. A right wing wacko, who wanted to nuke the Russians. So please stop with trying to re-define Reagan to suit the liberal cause.

jsf
Centerville, UT

The only thing Mandela accomplished was his pr ability to sweep under the rug his past. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be wearing a Winnie Mandela necklace. Seems a lot of African's died wearing one, and we are not talking white South Africans. The fact so many GOP people are worshiping at his alter are because they lack the understanding of who he really was. As for Mandela fighting against everything the GOP stands for today, that's a broad stroke of a dishonest brush. Conservatives do oppose a lot of things the African National Congress used to get their way. Kind of like we stand against the horrific purges of Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao, and the means used by the ANC.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Again Mandela was not incarcerated because he was black, but for terrorist activities. The attacks on black Africans by the ANC was because they didn't support the ANC and their terrorist activities. The more you dig for information about the ANC and this man the more evil comes raises it's head. Google Winnie Mandela necklace and watch the recorded videos. If you can watch these and not cringe and be appalled, then go ahead and support the leader of the ANC.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

jsf

I'm glad you brought it up about Winnie Mandela and the necklace. Which for those of you who don't know, was people being burned alive because of politics. Nice folks those Mandelas. Or at least the ANC. However, I don't know if Nelson himself had anything to do with that atrocity, so I'll reserve judgement. What gets me is why do the left, not only in America, but the world, revere people who have done such bad things in the name of their cause, only because it is a leftist cause? Especially since they are the ones who are always crying about human rights, and torture. You folks just make no human reason sense.

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

"[I]t was Woodrow Wilson a Democrat that segregated the U.S. military...."

I've no idea what this has to do with Mandela's legacy, but it's egregious enough that I'll bite on the red herring. The US military, with the sometime exception of the Navy, forbade blacks from even enlisting from 1792 to 1862. In the Civil War, blacks formed the US Colored Troops, which were segregated from white regiments and forbidden black officers. This segregation continued through the Indian Wars (and the famed "Buffalo Soldiers" of black cavalry), the Spanish-American War, and both World Wars until Truman (a Democrat!) desegregated the military.

"Democrats were the hold outs on the Civil Rights legislation that started in the fifties."

You need to look past who as a (D) or (R) next to their names, look up 'Dixiecrats' and understand how the Solid South went from Democrat to Republican. Look up why LBJ stated, "I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come," on signing the Civil Rights Act.

The GOP supporting apartheid in the 1980s were a generation removed from being Democrats.

As to the article, couldn't agree more.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

SCfan
Open Minded Mormon

When will you and others learn. Reagan was against big taxes and big government. That, building up the military, and defeating the Soviet Union were his agenda. None of those priorities would put him (Reagan) out of the T-Party. Today he would likely be seen as the leader of the T-Party movement.

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Reagan - Godbless him --
Would be RINO,
and would publically be crucified like "moderate" Jon Huntsman Jr. and Bob Bennett.

Reagan signed and approved;

pro-choice legislation,
assault and handgun weapons bans,
granted amnesty to illegal immigrants,
signed MORE Executive Orders in the 1st 6 months in office than "King Obama" has in 5 years,
increased the size and scope of the Federal Government,
increased the national debt 17 times,
just to name a few...

BTW - I voted for Reagan, twice.
He was BIG tent, inclusive, moderate,
He had most Republians,
ALL moderates,
and many Democrats vote for him.

As it stands now,
Mike Lee won't get reelected in hardcore, rightwing TeaParty red Republican Utah.
That's why he's "changed" and has been singing a completely different tune since his Government shutdown.

BTW -- I also served in the military under Reagan.
Did you?

MapleDon
Springville, UT

I appreciate all the wonderful criticisms by the leftist readers of the desnews who hail Mandela as a saint.

Saint? That depends on your view.

For instance, if the following Mandela quote inspires the greatest within you, then he surely is a saint: “We Communist Party members are the most advanced revolutionaries in modern history…the enemy must be wiped out from the face of the Earth before a Communist world can be realized.” – Nelson Mandela during his 1962 trial for terrorism.

Have you seen the videos of Mandela (young and old) singing the ANC theme song that sounds so lovely, that it literally moves you to tears. Interpreted, it talks of killing the Bhulu. What's bhulu?

It's the white people.

Or how about that inspiring quote by his adorable wife, Winnie, who said: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country." (April 13, 1985 in Munsieville, Johannesburg). What are the "necklaces" she referred to? Fruit Loops? Wrong. It's a tire filled with gasoline that is placed around political opponents and lit. Adorable.

These are your saints and your heroes who served time for terrorism. And you keep drinking that koolaid.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ Res Novae 3:48 p.m. Dec. 10, 2013,

Re: "Considering that some of the DN's commenters have asserted that there was nothing wrong with apartheid"...

Can you site any names of posters who said "apartheid is OK"? Or was that just a straw man you made up?

I don't know anybody who thinks there is nothing wrong with apartheid.

You're not one of those "anybody who's not a Democrat is a racist" kinda guys are you?

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

@2bits,

See some of the gems in response to the article titled "Utahns react to death of Nelson Mandela" and a recent comment to "Mandela's greatest achievement may be yet to come." Go attack those statements instead of lobbing accusations of strawmen and faux outrage to racism at me.

Bob K
porland, OR

Mandela brought people together.

Republicans in Washington get money from their rich donors to obstruct President Obama, and republicans who watch Fox News are fooled by Rupert Murdoch into thinking that awful behavior is called for, since they have been fed lies.

Mandela was for equal rights

Republicans in many States have instituted restrictive voting rules that effectively damage the rights of minorities who vote Democratic, while pretending, via race baiting, that voter fraud is a an actual problem

Mandela was for all people

Republican office holders are very unlikely to find Murdoch, the Kochs, Rove, etc suddenly telling them to put the interests of Americans ahead of their own wallets.

Doubt it? Why was Romney not discredited badly after the last election, when we all heard him, in his own voice, denigrate 47% of Americans? Because most republicans agree.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

I am so glad there are people posting who remember Mandela's approach to "liberation," and social equality. I have no idea how many people died violent deaths under his influence, but I am NOT a Mandela fan, and I am horrified to see him being remembered as a good leader when his deeds tell another story. Thank you to those of you who reminded us of his history, which has been well documented. Why anyone would want any leaders to follow his example is beyond figuring out.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

It just all depends where the money is at; it is Wall Street that owns Washington, and Washington will play to the tune of Wall Street. So figure it out: is Mandela good or bad for Wall Street.

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